The lefty bullpen arm talk got me thinking (always a scary thing)...

I know these guys don't exactly grow on trees, but doesn't it seem like our minor league system should've been able to produce a couple of decent relievers lately?

 

I can't think of any lefties whatsoever. I mean Tank was the closest we've come and he didn't last long. Pinto?

 

 

For that matter we haven't had many righthanders either that have played much of a role.

Alfonseca qualifies I guess, he went through most of our minors. But that's reaching pretty far back.

 

 

Is it just that far down the priority list, & easier to go out & get journeymen/retreads when you need them, so it's not a big concern?

 

I mean clearly if you have a great arm you groom him as a starter... but just seems like out of sheer numbers, chances are we would have some success stories....?

 

Kensing? Messenger? Vargas?

 

Maybe Ceda or Jhan Marinez is the next guy... dunno just seems odd. Am I missing some names?

Good point. Our bullpen has always been constructed via FA or trade. We rarely develop talent.

For the most part in the relievers are starters that don't work out or people that were looked at as a closers.

I think the Marlins like most organizatins draft players with the best intentions of being starters or closers and then make adjustments along the way. If a person is a lefty and not effective as a starter or a closer they work them at becoming a LOOGY, or if a pitcher demonstrates he can't go through a line-up twice then they work with them at becoming relievers, but rarely is a guy drafted to be a releiver.

When you look at developed, does that mean a player that came up through the Marlins organization or one that played in the minors and then in the Majors for the Fish? Players like Ceda and Pinto were traded to the Marlins.

I don't know if it is bad luck or bad policy, but the team has had a great deal of injury trouble with its pitchers. As a result, guys like Tucker and Kensing had to be thrown into the breach as starters before they were ready and that may have led to them being injured as well.

For the most part in the relievers are starters that don't work out or people that were looked at as a closers.

I think the Marlins like most organizatins draft players with the best intentions of being starters or closers and then make adjustments along the way. If a person is a lefty and not effective as a starter or a closer they work them at becoming a LOOGY, or if a pitcher demonstrates he can't go through a line-up twice then they work with them at becoming relievers, but rarely is a guy drafted to be a releiver.

When you look at developed, does that mean a player that came up through the Marlins organization or one that played in the minors and then in the Majors for the Fish? Players like Ceda and Pinto were traded to the Marlins.

 

 

No you're right, Pinto and Ceda aren't good examples either.

 

I don't mean we necessarily HAD to draft the guy, but at least spent some significant time in our system. Because like you said typically guys aren't drafted with the thinking "wow this could be a decent reliever years from now!", you just sort of figure that out along the way.

Jennings is a lefty

Jennings is a lefty

 

 

sure, and if he turns out to be a good reliever for the Marlins we can include him.

 

 

 

and yes there are some guys down there who could reverse this trend if they turn out well. Cishek, Andrelcyk, Marinez, Jennings, etc, so we'll see.

For the most part in the relievers are starters that don't work out or people that were looked at as a closers.

I think the Marlins like most organizatins draft players with the best intentions of being starters or closers and then make adjustments along the way. If a person is a lefty and not effective as a starter or a closer they work them at becoming a LOOGY, or if a pitcher demonstrates he can't go through a line-up twice then they work with them at becoming relievers, but rarely is a guy drafted to be a releiver.

When you look at developed, does that mean a player that came up through the Marlins organization or one that played in the minors and then in the Majors for the Fish? Players like Ceda and Pinto were traded to the Marlins.

 

 

No you're right, Pinto and Ceda aren't good examples either.

 

I don't mean we necessarily HAD to draft the guy, but at least spent some significant time in our system. Because like you said typically guys aren't drafted with the thinking "wow this could be a decent reliever years from now!", you just sort of figure that out along the way.

 

Yeah, Drew Storen's of the world are pretty rare.

I thought Tucker, Ceda, De Law Cruz, etc. that at least one of these guys would be a strong contributor in our bullpen. Maybe Badenhop fits this bill? Weird.

It's probably because we keep rushing them and don't give them the opportunity to develop properly. It certainly ruined Logan Kensing, and last year it seemed like they were going to do the same thing with Jhan Marinez.

From what I understand, we have a pretty decent batch that's almost ready to come up. Marinez, Ceda and a few more that I can't remember off the top of my head.

From what I understand, we have a pretty decent batch that's almost ready to come up. Marinez, Ceda and a few more that I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

 

Ceda was traded for as a near-major league ready prospect. I don't really see guys like that as being "developed".

See in regards to Cishek, didnt Beinfest say something a month or so back that there was a strong possibility of him being in our Opening Day bullpen in 2011?