November 25, 200322 yr According to my expert figures, I think this saves enough $$ for the Marlins to keep everyone else. They could even up Pudge's offer to 7 million per year. and raise Castillo's offer to 6 million per. Not saying they'd accept the deals, but they'd be more attractive certainly. Hampton 8,000,000 Pudge 10,000,000 Juan Pierre 2,300,000 Castillo 6,000,000 Hee Sop Choi 350,000 Mike Lowell 7,000,000 Alex Gonzalez 2,500,000 Miguel Cabrera 300,000 Jeff Conine 3,000,000 AJ Burnett 2,500,000 Mark Redman 3,000,000 Brad Penny 3,000,000 Josh Beckett 2,100,000 Carl Pavano 2,500,000 Dontrelle Willis 375,000 Braden Looper 3,000,000 Chad Fox 500,000 Spoonybarger 300,000 Tommy Phelps 300,000 Nate Bump 300,000 Michael Tejera 300,000 Mike Redmond 1,100,000 Todd Hollandsworth 1,000,000 Mike Mordecai 300,000 Bench IF 500,000 Brian Banks 300,000 Bench OF 500,000 Total 61,325,000 Just some estimates, & there's still a few holes to fill. Plus they can obviously replace Hollandsworth, Redmond, etc, if they choose. Correct me if you think I'm wrong on these numbers.... maybe I'm mistaken. I'm not saying they should stick with this list, just saying they have the resources to do it if they want to.
November 25, 200322 yr I dont see hollandsworth coming back for that type of money, thats too much for a bench player and what do you suggest we do when Burnett comes back? Trade Redman? or leave burnett in the bullpen? Otherwise it sounds good
November 25, 200322 yr Ok, I see now. Pudge's salary this year would be $7M + $3M deferred = total $10M. Castillo is making $6M = total $16M. Call me crazy, but I think we would be better off by putting Castro in there (yes, he has to be found innocent) at roughly 300-400K. Then you let Redmond go and replace him with a cheaper backup, around 300-500K. Next, replace Castillo with minor leaguer/FA/prospect. That could be anywhere from 300K-$2M. Then, sign Vlad at about $10M this year, and increase it over the next several years (3 years total?) to get him what he wants financially. It would look something like this: Pudge 10,000,000 Castillo 6,000,000 Redmd 1,100,000 total 17,100,000 Castro 400,000 bckup 500,000 2B 2,000,000 Vlad 10,000,000 total 12,900,000 Still save about $4M AND get, in my opinion, a better team. Vlad is easily the best hitter on this team - put him in the middle of the lineup. Castro could replace Pudge - and even improve in some categories of offense (more power). Find a capable backup, and there are plenty around, for catcher; could even retain Redmond if you chose. There are plenty of options for 2B out there that wont hurt our team either - trade for Roberts (O's), sign Reese, Young, or even work a deal out for Alomar (which I DONT suggest), or possibly go with Medrano/Hooper/Valdez(?). Either way, there is actually a lot of flexibility and this could get done. Remember, that is maximum figures I proposed above, and you could even use the extra money to increase Vlad's pay.
November 25, 200322 yr I agree Jonnylons. I would rather use that $7 Million from Pudge on an Urbina, start Castro, and sign a Michael Barrett to back-up Ramon.
November 25, 200322 yr You could even trade Redman and sign a spot starter for the meantime or bring someone up out of ST (Wayne? Doubt it...but possible). That would save us even more money and not kill this team. So far: Pudge Castillo Lee Encarnacion Redman (?) all gone None would be irreplaceable, in fact, I would think the only one that makes baseball sense to keep is Lee. Everyone else we could find a replacement for.
November 26, 200322 yr Then, sign Vlad at about $10M this year, and increase it over the next several years (3 years total?) to get him what he wants financially. where is Vlad going? what position?
November 26, 200322 yr Looper is set to make about 4.5 million theough sal arbit. and i think he will be non-tendered....the marlins will wait till market cools down a little to sign closer for about 3 million...and theres no was hollansworth will stay...he repeatedly has said he wants to be with a place where he has a chance of starting and thats not here....with the money we save by not signing Looper and Hollandsworth we can sign back Urbina and C. Fox can set up
November 26, 200322 yr Author well....whether it's Holly or someone else, I'm still thinking it's at least 1 million for a decent 4th outfielder. especially for insurance, in case Choi can't get the bat going you can always use Conine at 1B. (i'm not sure Banks is a guy you'd want playing regularly or not...) and whether its Looper or Urbina doesn't matter too much to me. Looper can be had for less though, as you noted...
November 26, 200322 yr Vlad is going to the Orioles. Pudge will be a Cub. Write it down, and stop kidding yourselfs. :hat
November 26, 200322 yr Author i don't really care where Vlad goes, & if the Cubs would like to pay Pudge 10 million, we'll pack him a media noche & send him on his way.
November 26, 200322 yr You could even trade Redman and sign a spot starter for the meantime or bring someone up out of ST... Right you are Jonny... Why do you think the story out there is that Beinfest is looking for setup/long relief guys. To fill the void of Redman until AJ is back. I still believe Pudge will be in a Marlins uni in 2004.
November 26, 200322 yr let me ask you guys a question. What was the Cubs payroll this past season? How much is Lee going to hurt them in that regard? Can they afford Castillo and Pudge like these Cubs Maniacs want? Me thinks they better get all those Carays, both in "Cub" heaven, Atlanta, Orlando, and St. Louis up and working on those money making machines 'cause the Cubs don't spend much on payroll ever, why would they now?
November 26, 200322 yr You could even trade Redman and sign a spot starter for the meantime or bring someone up out of ST (Wayne? Doubt it...but possible). That would save us even more money and not kill this team. So far: Pudge Castillo Lee Encarnacion Redman (?) all gone None would be irreplaceable, in fact, I would think the only one that makes baseball sense to keep is Lee. Everyone else we could find a replacement for. Are you on crack? Pudge Castillo Lee Encarnacion Redman? Come on we need to keep this team together. We didn't win the world series losing half of our stars to Vlad.
November 26, 200322 yr Ok, I see now. Pudge's salary this year would be $7M + $3M deferred = total $10M. Castillo is making $6M = total $16M. Call me crazy, but I think we would be better off by putting Castro in there (yes, he has to be found innocent) at roughly 300-400K. Then you let Redmond go and replace him with a cheaper backup, around 300-500K. Next, replace Castillo with minor leaguer/FA/prospect. That could be anywhere from 300K-$2M. Then, sign Vlad at about $10M this year, and increase it over the next several years (3 years total?) to get him what he wants financially. It would look something like this: Pudge 10,000,000 Castillo 6,000,000 Redmd 1,100,000 total 17,100,000 Castro 400,000 bckup 500,000 2B 2,000,000 Vlad 10,000,000 total 12,900,000 Still save about $4M AND get, in my opinion, a better team. Vlad is easily the best hitter on this team - put him in the middle of the lineup. Castro could replace Pudge - and even improve in some categories of offense (more power). Find a capable backup, and there are plenty around, for catcher; could even retain Redmond if you chose. There are plenty of options for 2B out there that wont hurt our team either - trade for Roberts (O's), sign Reese, Young, or even work a deal out for Alomar (which I DONT suggest), or possibly go with Medrano/Hooper/Valdez(?). Either way, there is actually a lot of flexibility and this could get done. Remember, that is maximum figures I proposed above, and you could even use the extra money to increase Vlad's pay. why the obssesion with Vlad? The last move basicaly set the table for keeping the OF as Status Quo (Conine, Pierre, Cabrera). Unless we decide to go ahead and trade Lowell. Why change a proven winning combination? With all those moves you suggest, it is pretty much a brand new team.
November 26, 200322 yr I still believe Pudge will be in a Marlins uni in 2004. It's believable. ESPN predicts him coming norht though. What was the Cubs payroll this past season? How much is Lee going to hurt them in that regard? Can they afford Castillo and Pudge like these Cubs Maniacs want? I believe (don't quote me) that it was aroun 80-85 last year... BUT. W have had a 10 million dollar increase, along with the drop of salaries of Veres, guthrie, AlfonSUCKA, and Eric Karros. When push comes to shove we have about 22 million to work with...not too shabby. read this for more info it might be a bit outdated though.
November 26, 200322 yr I still believe Pudge will be in a Marlins uni in 2004. It's believable. ESPN predicts him coming norht though. they have everyone going to the Yanks, Sox, Dodgers, and Cubs
November 26, 200322 yr Author let me ask you guys a question. What was the Cubs payroll this past season? How much is Lee going to hurt them in that regard? Can they afford Castillo and Pudge like these Cubs Maniacs want? Me thinks they better get all those Carays, both in "Cub" heaven, Atlanta, Orlando, and St. Louis up and working on those money making machines 'cause the Cubs don't spend much on payroll ever, why would they now? good question. they know they can trudge slop out onto the field year after year & the fans will still pack the place. maybe they're finally going to spend the money.
November 26, 200322 yr I say tell Castillo to shove it and sign Gruzielanek. No. You don't want to do that. Grudz will be a Cubbie. He's ours. they know they can trudge slop out onto the field year after year & the fans will still pack the place. Not only will we pack the place, we'll probably think we'll win. maybe they're finally going to spend the money. With Hendry as the GM, that is a no doubt.
November 26, 200322 yr I say tell Castillo to shove it and sign Gruzielanek. and why do we want Grudzy?
November 26, 200322 yr Ok, I see now. Pudge's salary this year would be $7M + $3M deferred = total $10M. Castillo is making $6M = total $16M. Call me crazy, but I think we would be better off by putting Castro in there (yes, he has to be found innocent) at roughly 300-400K. Then you let Redmond go and replace him with a cheaper backup, around 300-500K. Next, replace Castillo with minor leaguer/FA/prospect. That could be anywhere from 300K-$2M. Then, sign Vlad at about $10M this year, and increase it over the next several years (3 years total?) to get him what he wants financially. It would look something like this: Pudge 10,000,000 Castillo 6,000,000 Redmd 1,100,000 total 17,100,000 Castro 400,000 bckup 500,000 2B 2,000,000 Vlad 10,000,000 total 12,900,000 Still save about $4M AND get, in my opinion, a better team. Vlad is easily the best hitter on this team - put him in the middle of the lineup. Castro could replace Pudge - and even improve in some categories of offense (more power). Find a capable backup, and there are plenty around, for catcher; could even retain Redmond if you chose. There are plenty of options for 2B out there that wont hurt our team either - trade for Roberts (O's), sign Reese, Young, or even work a deal out for Alomar (which I DONT suggest), or possibly go with Medrano/Hooper/Valdez(?). Either way, there is actually a lot of flexibility and this could get done. Remember, that is maximum figures I proposed above, and you could even use the extra money to increase Vlad's pay. why the obssesion with Vlad? The last move basicaly set the table for keeping the OF as Status Quo (Conine, Pierre, Cabrera). Unless we decide to go ahead and trade Lowell. Why change a proven winning combination? With all those moves you suggest, it is pretty much a brand new team. That's what I've been saying for the past month. Keep this team together. We didn't win with high priced superstars. We won with pitching and defense. Let's just say we sign Vlad to a 6 year $15 million contract. What are we going to do when our staff is due to get the big bucks, because you know they will, they're that good. With Vlad's huge contract on our payroll our chance of signing them is slim to none. Keep the team together, we know it's capable of winning, why risk our future with Vlad?
November 26, 200322 yr and why do we want Grudzy? In all reality, you don't He's not what you are looking for. But he is a great player, and is a big reason the Cubs went so far. Great 2 hitter.
November 26, 200322 yr Ok, I see now.? Pudge's salary this year would be $7M + $3M deferred = total $10M.? Castillo is making $6M = total $16M.? Call me crazy, but I think we would be better off by putting Castro in there (yes, he has to be found innocent) at roughly 300-400K.? Then you let Redmond go and replace him with a cheaper backup, around 300-500K.? Next, replace Castillo with minor leaguer/FA/prospect.? That could be anywhere from 300K-$2M.? Then, sign Vlad at about $10M this year, and increase it over the next several years (3 years total?) to get him what he wants financially.? It would look something like this: Pudge 10,000,000 Castillo 6,000,000 Redmd? 1,100,000 total? ? 17,100,000 Castro? ? 400,000 bckup? ? ? 500,000 2B? ? ? ? 2,000,000 Vlad? ? 10,000,000 total? ? 12,900,000 Still save about $4M AND get, in my opinion, a better team.? Vlad is easily the best hitter on this team - put him in the middle of the lineup.? Castro could replace Pudge - and even improve in some categories of offense (more power).? Find a capable backup, and there are plenty around, for catcher; could even retain Redmond if you chose.? There are plenty of options for 2B out there that wont hurt our team either - trade for Roberts (O's), sign Reese, Young, or even work a deal out for Alomar (which I DONT suggest), or possibly go with Medrano/Hooper/Valdez(?).? Either way, there is actually a lot of flexibility and this could get done.? Remember, that is maximum figures I proposed above, and you could even use the extra money to increase Vlad's pay. why the obssesion with Vlad? The last move basicaly set the table for keeping the OF as Status Quo (Conine, Pierre, Cabrera). Unless we decide to go ahead and trade Lowell. Why change a proven winning combination? With all those moves you suggest, it is pretty much a brand new team. That's what I've been saying for the past month. Keep this team together. We didn't win with high priced superstars. We won with pitching and defense. Let's just say we sign Vlad to a 6 year $15 million contract. What are we going to do when our staff is due to get the big bucks, because you know they will, they're that good. With Vlad's huge contract on our payroll our chance of signing them is slim to none. Keep the team together, we know it's capable of winning, why risk our future with Vlad? We are not going to sign Vlad to a 6 year deal @ $15M per. We dont believe in long term deals like that - look around at this roster. No one is signed past 2005. 3 years tops per player I think. Vlad will get the same - if he gets a deal it will be deferred anticipating a stadium is built. We deal all those guys I mentioned away because we have capable replacements to step in for cheaper. So if this teams philosophy is winning with pitching and defense, tell me how my proposal effects that? If you are as astute as you believe, you would notice that it only increases our resources of keeping the core of this team together - Beckett, Burnett, Penny, Willis, Cabrera and Lowell.
November 26, 200322 yr We dont need to sign Vlad stop it already. IMO we dont need pudge either. Castro can fill in nicely for him. We need to keep Castillo and Lowell. Hopefully we keep Big Red and get a good lefty for the pen. Bring back Fox and sign another arm for the pen. We also are going to need to get a good closer for under 3 million. Redmond and Hollandsworth are gone. Barret and Harris cam fill in for them. They could also sign a 4th OF maybe Sanders.
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