LOL. Yes the A's have some good OF's. No, he wasn't being blocked. You're talking bout one of the worst offensive teams in baseball.

During the offseason, I heard Loria's and Samson's names associated with rumors/moves infinitely more than Beinfest's or Hill's.

 

 

I think that was more because of the flow of $$$ than them making any real decisions on the talent. Loria because it's his wallet, and Samson because he is the one that always talked about how $$$ would be spent in the past.

 

I also heard in the off season how much Hanley didn't want to play 3B and was even demanding a trade. IOW, the media sucks.

The Hanley stuff was more conjecture with no real substance, but it was Loria and Samson who were actually giving most of the quotes during the GM meetings. I think it's always been understood that Loria is much more hands on than the typical owner is. The money has a lot to do with it, but that has the greatest influence on the actual construction of the team. For the hundreds of millions spent in the offseason, Loria was undoubtedly just as much involved as Beinfest was, plain and simple. Beinfest didn't waste $27 million on Heath Bell on his own. Loria wanted him.

Let the discussion begin: Manny Ramirez is available after being released. If nothing else it would give the MIAMI Marlins a lo of media buzz. And I believe he lives here. (Probably better DH)

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

Manny?

 

Yeah, just what we need, another repeat-offender doper.

 

While they either did know or should have known about LoDuca and Mota, they were dumped. Paulino went when he failed a test. I'm sure I'm forgetting others. We have enough problems without adding that stuff and the FO has made it pretty obvious that they ain't interested in that type of guy.

While they either did know or should have known about LoDuca and Mota, they were dumped. Paulino went when he failed a test. I'm sure I'm forgetting others. We have enough problems without adding that stuff and the FO has made it pretty obvious that they ain't interested in that type of guy.

 

 

Dan Jennings was suspended in AA for PEDs and has been given multiple callups this year so your argument is not very valid.

Dan Jennings was suspended in AA for PEDs and has been given multiple callups this year

 

You're right. There was a reason I said I was forgetting others. And, now, perhaps the FO will remember why they don't like these guys, since Jennings has sucked donkey balls.

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

 

 

This is so true. This team is pretty darn close to becoming sellers BEFORE the All-Star break. I had doubts and wondered if this team was going to be out of contention before or on the All-Star break..

 

I'm so glad we didn't even try for Fielder (don't even say we were never going to get him.. no one knows), lost out to the pitiful A's for Cespedes, the Nats wiping our slates clean for Gio. All those turned out to be good moves for those teams. Even Cespedes is hitting decently with some pop. Granted yes he's not killing the ball, but take a look at our catcher, 1B, and LF.. neither are they!!

 

People like to talk about our GREAT May's and how it all goes downhill from there. Take a look at MLB in general. Pitching ALWAYS lags behind hitting. So while we do have pretty good May's its not because of our hitting (which should be pretty darn good if you want this team to have a chance), its because of some luck, which all teams have to have, and piching that is just above the curve. When the Fish come out in May and start scoring 6+ runs per game then we can all say they had a AWESOME May! But when your team comes out barely getting 5 hits a night and if not for some mental mistakes (mistakes that a team/player wouldn't make in Aug/Sept) that we hapen to win 2-1, or 1-0 then all I can say is this team is in for a rude wake-up call come June/July.

 

Right now we have a top of the order that can't string together hits. I know you can look at their stats and see they are going 2-4 every night, btu that doesn't count. You got Reyes who will get a hit in the first, then we go down 1-2-3... Come the third, Reyes is a quick out, so is Hanley but Stanton smokes it, and so on and so on. A good team can mesh and put together good innings, but a team like this.. WoW!! Its almost as if they aren't watching the game. You got a runner on third and 1 out so what do they do... Try to play HR derby and end up striking out. Its almost as if they haven't a clue who is on base, how many outs, or even who is pitching. They walk around clueless!!

 

But sorry for the longwinded 1st post but I had to get this off my chest. Living where I live there are no Marlins fans, only Cubs/Cards/Sox fans.

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

 

There is almost no chance they trade away significant talent this year, except someone like Zambrano whose contract is up maybe, because of how important they perceive this year to be for the future fanbase growth of the team.

 

The second half of your post is silly. It's not like we have 2 2-guards whose games aren't compatible. Sure, they apparently need more than this core, but they absolutely can win with Stanton, Hanley, JJ, etc as the core of the team. Come on, now.

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

 

There is almost no chance they trade away significant talent this year, except someone like Zambrano whose contract is up maybe, because of how important they perceive this year to be for the future fanbase growth of the team.

 

The second half of your post is silly. It's not like we have 2 2-guards whose games aren't compatible. Sure, they apparently need more than this core, but they absolutely can win with Stanton, Hanley, JJ, etc as the core of the team. Come on, now.

 

I never mentioned Stanton. Obviously I believe he can become a key cog in this team's future. I don't, however, have any confidence in Hanley Ramirez. I no longer believe this is a guy who you build a team around. He's a good player, but not great, and I believe some team will still give a lot for him.

Yeah, just what we need, another repeat-offender doper.

 

 

Another?

But when your team comes out barely getting 5 hits a night

 

 

The Marlins averaged 4.5 runs and 8.9 hits per game in May. They had five hits or fewer in five of 29 games.

 

You can make your point without exaggerating/flat out making things up.

 

It is hilarious to me that I see people acting like this run was totally obvious all season long, when nobody was saying this in May.

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

 

There is almost no chance they trade away significant talent this year, except someone like Zambrano whose contract is up maybe, because of how important they perceive this year to be for the future fanbase growth of the team.

 

The second half of your post is silly. It's not like we have 2 2-guards whose games aren't compatible. Sure, they apparently need more than this core, but they absolutely can win with Stanton, Hanley, JJ, etc as the core of the team. Come on, now.

 

I never mentioned Stanton. Obviously I believe he can become a key cog in this team's future. I don't, however, have any confidence in Hanley Ramirez. I no longer believe this is a guy who you build a team around. He's a good player, but not great, and I believe some team will still give a lot for him.So you think he's a good player but a team will still give a lot for him? No. Teams give a lot for great players. You need to make up your mind here.

 

Hanley hasnt played like a "great" player in years now. He is severely overrated by Marlins fans. This team just has too many holes right now to fill and if Hanley keeps playing like an average player, it would be worth it to trade him to get a few good players in return to develop. Im sure a few other teams would try to make a big play on him in hopes he plays like he did his first 3-4 years here. The farm system has been trash here for quite awhile and at some point, it needs to be restocked with some talent. This team desperately needs a catcher as well since John Suck isn't the answer.

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

 

There is almost no chance they trade away significant talent this year, except someone like Zambrano whose contract is up maybe, because of how important they perceive this year to be for the future fanbase growth of the team.

 

The second half of your post is silly. It's not like we have 2 2-guards whose games aren't compatible. Sure, they apparently need more than this core, but they absolutely can win with Stanton, Hanley, JJ, etc as the core of the team. Come on, now.

 

I never mentioned Stanton. Obviously I believe he can become a key cog in this team's future. I don't, however, have any confidence in Hanley Ramirez. I no longer believe this is a guy who you build a team around. He's a good player, but not great, and I believe some team will still give a lot for him.So you think he's a good player but a team will still give a lot for him? No. Teams give a lot for great players. You need to make up your mind here.

 

Hanley hasnt played like a "great" player in years now. He is severely overrated by Marlins fans. This team just has too many holes right now to fill and if Hanley keeps playing like an average player, it would be worth it to trade him to get a few good players in return to develop. Im sure a few other teams would try to make a big play on him in hopes he plays like he did his first 3-4 years here. The farm system has been trash here for quite awhile and at some point, it needs to be restocked with some talent. This team desperately needs a catcher as well since John Suck isn't the answer.

 

A few years ago this teams minor league system had Stanton Morrison and Gaby. All our "big guys" graduated at one time practically.

 

Our farm system now is powered by our high A guys which have high potential.

Hanley ranks 5th in WAR among 3B in baseball and 6th in OPS. Saying he's "playing like an average player" is, quite frankly, just dumb and uneducated.

His WAR in 2009 was 7.1

 

He hasn't come close to that since.

 

Right now he's at 0.7 which is not that impressive.

He's at 1.7 via Fangraphs. The difference seems to be that BR is much lower on his defense. And I prefer Fangraphs's defensive metrics, fwiw.

I think overall Hanley is playing at an above average level but he's better than this. At least, he used to be. It's tough to tell whether or not those days are gone.

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

 

There is almost no chance they trade away significant talent this year, except someone like Zambrano whose contract is up maybe, because of how important they perceive this year to be for the future fanbase growth of the team.

 

The second half of your post is silly. It's not like we have 2 2-guards whose games aren't compatible. Sure, they apparently need more than this core, but they absolutely can win with Stanton, Hanley, JJ, etc as the core of the team. Come on, now.

 

I never mentioned Stanton. Obviously I believe he can become a key cog in this team's future. I don't, however, have any confidence in Hanley Ramirez. I no longer believe this is a guy who you build a team around. He's a good player, but not great, and I believe some team will still give a lot for him.

You said "the current core of players."

 

Regardless, maybe he's not a superduperstar, but the idea that he can't be the member of a winning team is just silly.

He's at 1.7 via Fangraphs. The difference seems to be that BR is much lower on his defense. And I prefer Fangraphs's defensive metrics, fwiw.

 

 

For how much we are paying him, im sure we all agree we expect a little more than just "above average" anyways. He is being paid like a damn super star and needs to start playing like he did when he first got here.

What you are saying now is not what you said before.

I think overall Hanley is playing at an above average level but he's better than this. At least, he used to be. It's tough to tell whether or not those days are gone.

 

 

Exactly how I feel. He's playing pretty good but he's shown he can be much better. I just wonder if we'll ever see that for a prolonged period again.

I think this team is closer to unloading players than they are acquiring players. I think after all these years the talent deficiency is becoming obvious, and the only way they are going to get it is to trade for it. I also don't think you can win with the current core of players. Hanley Ramirez has disappointingly not morphed into one of the league's best players and I would seriously consider trading him.

 

There is almost no chance they trade away significant talent this year, except someone like Zambrano whose contract is up maybe, because of how important they perceive this year to be for the future fanbase growth of the team.

 

The second half of your post is silly. It's not like we have 2 2-guards whose games aren't compatible. Sure, they apparently need more than this core, but they absolutely can win with Stanton, Hanley, JJ, etc as the core of the team. Come on, now.

 

I never mentioned Stanton. Obviously I believe he can become a key cog in this team's future. I don't, however, have any confidence in Hanley Ramirez. I no longer believe this is a guy who you build a team around. He's a good player, but not great, and I believe some team will still give a lot for him.

You said "the current core of players."

 

Regardless, maybe he's not a superduperstar, but the idea that he can't be the member of a winning team is just silly.

 

Its not silly at all. This team is practically built around him, and my point is that maybe we cannot rely on him in that capacity.

A team isn't built around a player like in basketball. It's such an individual sport. And it's not like his salary is prohibitive.

I know he's old but I really wouldn't mind a trade for Carlos Lee. He's on the block for sure in Houston.