Coghlan hasn't had success since 2009. Ruggiano played well enough last season that he should be given an opportunity to play everyday.

 

In other words, Coghlan's spring shouldn't be enough to demote Ruggiano into a platoon role.

 

I think the arguement is he's never been given a chance to play healthy and get consistent at bats ever since. It's not a bad idea to give him one last shot and see what you have...Yes, he has, unless he's been hiding injuries. He's absolutely been given consistent ABs since 2009.

 

I feel like we've already had this conversation before. You were reading from the same script before either the 2011 or 2012 season.

Coghlan hasn't had success since 2009. Ruggiano played well enough last season that he should be given an opportunity to play everyday.

 

In other words, Coghlan's spring shouldn't be enough to demote Ruggiano into a platoon role.

 

I think the arguement is he's never been given a chance to play healthy and get consistent at bats ever since. It's not a bad idea to give him one last shot and see what you have...Yes, he has, unless he's been hiding injuries. He's absolutely been given consistent ABs since 2009.

 

I feel like we've already had this conversation before. You were reading from the same script before either the 2011 or 2012 season.

 

And last year he got less than 100 at bats inconsistently. When he has been in triple-A starting everyday the bat has been there.

 

Clearly we aren't all crazy if the front office and Mike Redmond are willing to give the guy one last shot... At the very least he or Ruggiano can build up some kind of trade value while the other earns the job.

Ruggiano earned an everday role with the way he peformed last season.

 

It's a joke he has to split time with CC.

 

He's the second best hitter on this team based on what he did in 2012.

Coghlan hasn't had success since 2009. Ruggiano played well enough last season that he should be given an opportunity to play everyday.

 

In other words, Coghlan's spring shouldn't be enough to demote Ruggiano into a platoon role.

 

I think the arguement is he's never been given a chance to play healthy and get consistent at bats ever since. It's not a bad idea to give him one last shot and see what you have...Yes, he has, unless he's been hiding injuries. He's absolutely been given consistent ABs since 2009.

 

I feel like we've already had this conversation before. You were reading from the same script before either the 2011 or 2012 season.

 

And last year he got less than 100 at bats inconsistently. When he has been in triple-A starting everyday the bat has been there.

 

Clearly we aren't all crazy if the front office and Mike Redmond are willing to give the guy one last shot... At the very least he or Ruggiano can build up some kind of trade value while the other earns the job.

Coghlan had a stretch in May and June where he got 70 consistent PAs. That's not a massive sample size, I agree, but he performed so terribly that it should be considered a pretty reliable sign that he couldn't handle MLB pitching. His offensive numbers in AAA aren't even that great for someone who has no defensive ability.

 

I also wouldn't justify the decision to give Coghlan another chance on account of the FO making the call. As we found out today--and we certainly knew it already--that the FO makes a ton of dumb baseball moves.

Coghlan hasn't had success since 2009. Ruggiano played well enough last season that he should be given an opportunity to play everyday.

 

In other words, Coghlan's spring shouldn't be enough to demote Ruggiano into a platoon role.

 

I think the arguement is he's never been given a chance to play healthy and get consistent at bats ever since. It's not a bad idea to give him one last shot and see what you have...Yes, he has, unless he's been hiding injuries. He's absolutely been given consistent ABs since 2009.

 

I feel like we've already had this conversation before. You were reading from the same script before either the 2011 or 2012 season.

And last year he got less than 100 at bats inconsistently. When he has been in triple-A starting everyday the bat has been there.

 

Clearly we aren't all crazy if the front office and Mike Redmond are willing to give the guy one last shot... At the very least he or Ruggiano can build up some kind of trade value while the other earns the job.

Coghlan had a stretch in May and June where he got 70 consistent PAs. That's not a massive sample size, I agree, but he performed so terribly that it should be considered a pretty reliable sign that he couldn't handle MLB pitching. His offensive numbers in AAA aren't even that great for someone who has no defensive ability.

 

I also wouldn't justify the decision to give Coghlan another chance on account of the FO making the call. As we found out today--and we certainly knew it already--that the FO makes a ton of dumb baseball moves.

 

It remains to be seen if that was a dumb move. If Fernandez wins 15 games and K's 9 per inning with a 3.30 ERA it will be a brilliant move...

It's silly to judge moves by the end result. That's thinking in hindsight.

 

Fernandez has not pitched about high A ball, hardly threw at all in spring training, and a full season's work in MLB will speed up his arbitration clock by a full year. Those factors alone make this an incredibly uninformed decision.

It's silly to judge moves by the end result. That's thinking in hindsight.

 

Fernandez has not pitched about high A ball, hardly threw at all in spring training, and a full season's work in MLB will speed up his arbitration clock by a full year. Those factors alone make this an incredibly uninformed decision.

 

So you recommend we go with John Maine and see if we can catch lightning in a bottle? I'm excited to see they're at least trying to win.

I think Ruggiano is due to regress...but he did absolutely enough last season to get the chance to prove as the everyday starter this season that last season wasn't a fluke.

 

Coghlan had every opportunity to prove that he was an everyday guy in 2010-2012, and he blew each opportunity. Like Erick said, if you think Fernandez is "ready for the big leagues", then why not just start Yelich? I mean Mike Redmond said this spring training that Yelich looked like a big leaguer? If we're fielding the team Mike Redmond wants out there, I'd assume he wants Yelich in center field.

 

I hated this starting lineup with the expected players to start. I hate it even more without Ruggiano.

It's silly to judge moves by the end result. That's thinking in hindsight.

 

Fernandez has not pitched about high A ball, hardly threw at all in spring training, and a full season's work in MLB will speed up his arbitration clock by a full year. Those factors alone make this an incredibly uninformed decision.

 

So you recommend we go with John Maine and see if we can catch lightning in a bottle? I'm excited to see they're at least trying to win.We still have Jacob Turner, Alex Sanabia, Brad Hand, and yeah John Maine. All guys who have experience being starters in the majors. Hell, this is a wasted season anyway, so why not just use one of these guys to fill the gap until Fernandez dominates AA and gets the June call up. I do not condone throwing a 20 year old pitcher in the wolves this season.

I think Ruggiano is due to regress...but he did absolutely enough last season to get the chance to prove as the everyday starter this season that last season wasn't a fluke.

 

Coghlan had every opportunity to prove that he was an everyday guy in 2010-2012, and he blew each opportunity. Like Erick said, if you think Fernandez is "ready for the big leagues", then why not just start Yelich? I mean Mike Redmond said this spring training that Yelich looked like a big leaguer? If we're fielding the team Mike Redmond wants out there, I'd assume he wants Yelich in center field.

 

I hated this starting lineup with the expected players to start. I hate it even more without Ruggiano.

 

We have too many outfielders that need to prove their worth to give Yelich his opportunity right now. We can't really say the same about starting pitchers, so these are different situations and I can't say I disagree with it.

I like CC batting second, he previously had shown to be patient at the plate and have the ability to get on base. If Pierre gets on base in front of him, he should see decent pitches.

 

Realistically, we don't have a hitter in this lineup that can bat second do we?

 

I hope Pierre plays well, CC plays well, and Ruggiano plays well to the point that each OF gets a day or two off a week.

 

The team is better with CC and Ruggiano on it and playing well, mostly because one or the other will be playing for another team sometime soon.

I think Ruggiano is due to regress...but he did absolutely enough last season to get the chance to prove as the everyday starter this season that last season wasn't a fluke.

 

Coghlan had every opportunity to prove that he was an everyday guy in 2010-2012, and he blew each opportunity. Like Erick said, if you think Fernandez is "ready for the big leagues", then why not just start Yelich? I mean Mike Redmond said this spring training that Yelich looked like a big leaguer? If we're fielding the team Mike Redmond wants out there, I'd assume he wants Yelich in center field.

 

I hated this starting lineup with the expected players to start. I hate it even more without Ruggiano.

 

We have too many outfielders that need to prove their worth to give Yelich his opportunity right now. We can't really say the same about starting pitchers, so these are different situations and I can't say I disagree with it.Let me start out by saying this...CHRIS COGHLAN IS NOT AN OUTFIELDER. CHRIS COGHLAN IS NOT AN OUTFIELDER. CHRIS COGHLAN IS NOT AN OUTFIELDER.

 

He's a second baseman. If we NEEDED to start Coghlan, I'd be fine with giving him Solano's 2B job.

I like CC batting second, he previously had shown to be patient at the plate and have the ability to get on base. If Pierre gets on base in front of him, he should see decent pitches.

 

Realistically, we don't have a hitter in this lineup that can bat second do we?

 

I hope Pierre plays well, CC plays well, and Ruggiano plays well to the point that each OF gets a day or two off a week.

 

The team is better with CC and Ruggiano on it and playing well, mostly because one or the other will be playing for another team sometime soon.

 

Hechevarria, Solano, Brantly, Polanco...

 

Hell, our whole team is a bunch of guys who could possible hit #2 in the lineup...or #8.

Realistically we have a OF of Pierre, Ruggiano, Coghlan, Stanton right now but in two years all of these names will be fighting for 3 spots. Stanton may still be here, making it only 2 spots.

 

Stanton

Marinsek

Yelich

Ozuna

Jensen

Copeland

Solorzano

Dean

Silverio

 

Who Gives a Shit who's at CF or LF this year- its obvious Pierre isn't the future, and neither is Coghlan or Ruggiano. If the last two make something of themselves, its perfect. We'll trade our "Overachieving" OF's for a Minor League IF or SP prospect and consider ourselves lucky.

I like CC batting second, he previously had shown to be patient at the plate and have the ability to get on base. If Pierre gets on base in front of him, he should see decent pitches.

 

Realistically, we don't have a hitter in this lineup that can bat second do we?

 

I hope Pierre plays well, CC plays well, and Ruggiano plays well to the point that each OF gets a day or two off a week.

 

The team is better with CC and Ruggiano on it and playing well, mostly because one or the other will be playing for another team sometime soon.

 

Hechevarria, Solano, Brantly, Polanco...

 

Hell, our whole team is a bunch of guys who could possible hit #2 in the lineup...or #8.

I don't believe Hech, or Brantly are 2 hitters yet... and I think I read somewhere Polonco doesnt provide what you want at the 2 hole. Solano, he kind of slipped my mind. I think it's because you said it best when we have a bunch of 8 hitters who can bat second.

It's silly to judge moves by the end result. That's thinking in hindsight.

 

Fernandez has not pitched about high A ball, hardly threw at all in spring training, and a full season's work in MLB will speed up his arbitration clock by a full year. Those factors alone make this an incredibly uninformed decision.

 

So you recommend we go with John Maine and see if we can catch lightning in a bottle? I'm excited to see they're at least trying to win.This team has no chance at getting to the playoffs. If Eovadi and Alvarez are only out for a month like the Marlins say, I'd much rather they go with one of the other starting pitching options. Even if those guys are out for longer than a month, I'd probably say the same thing.

So a guy who put up a .909 OPS in 320 PA's last season is getting benched for a guy who hasn't hit over .230 in 3 years?

Also Coghlan is a big downgrade defensively from Dimmagiano

So a guy who put up a .909 OPS in 320 PA's last season is getting benched for a guy who hasn't hit over .230 in 3 years?

 

SPRING TRAINING NUMBERS BRO.

So a guy who put up a .909 OPS in 320 PA's last season is getting benched for a guy who hasn't hit over .230 in 3 years?

 

Lol. And opsd at. 806 against righties. Good thing we have the smart baseball people making these decisions

So a guy who put up a .909 OPS in 320 PA's last season is getting benched for a guy who hasn't hit over .230 in 3 years?

 

SPRING TRAINING NUMBERS BRO.

Kemp hit .186 this spring. If he was on the Marlins he probably would've been benched too.

sweet moses... the Fernandez thing and now I read this. Did Justin Ruggiano not play last season? I mean yeah no one is predicting crazy 900 OPS stuff again but man, what does a guy need to do to win the job? I'd be slightly pissed.

 

 

 

 

and lol at Stanton in the lineup sandwiched between Chris Coghlan and Placido Polanco. You want protection? No prob bro.

I think this is Cogs final chance with this team, let alone in the majors.

 

I rather see Ruggz start, but this ain't a playoff team. So the gig is Cogs to lose at this point. Maybe he does good and that be good. Maybe then we can deal him for something. Rather keep Ruggz on the team, then again, he is like 30 sooo...

I mean yeah no one is predicting crazy 900 OPS stuff again but man, what does a guy need to do to win the job?

 

I remember that "..." said Ruggiano would be a 1.000 OPS player in a full season of play.

I mean yeah no one is predicting crazy 900 OPS stuff again but man, what does a guy need to do to win the job?

 

 

I remember that "..." said Ruggiano would be a 1.000 OPS player in a full season of play.

Why does he care? Does he own ruggiano?

 

Probably does. At least contractually with regards to baseball