There's a difference between "winning season" and "championship season," and most people need to realize that. 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009 were winning seasons. 2006 the team was in the playoff picture before collapsing in September. People didn't show up at any time during those seasons.[/quote

 

Ill rephrase it and say playoff appearance. Are you happy with making the playoffs one time in 10 years? Still doesnt excuse Loria from not making a move in the front office.

you end up with a pattern of Loria signing players to contracts with clearly no intention of paying out the full deal.

 

Total BS. You know no such thing and neither does anyone else. Not to mention that most deals in MLB are back-loaded and most don't have no-trade clauses.

 

He dumped Degado and the rest of the core because the fans didn't show up.

 

He dumped Reyes, et al because the fans didn't show up.

 

They have consistently said that payroll will be dictated by revenue. Every time he sticks his neck out and spends big, fans don't show up, revenue disappoints and they lose a lot of money. Old stadium, new stadium, doesn't matter.

 

Whining about Loria is a waste of time, he ain't selling. The problem is revenue, not Loria. Loria could sell tomorrow and the fans still wouldn't show up even if God bought the club.

 

So you and the rest of your ilk here and generally in south Florida are going to be frustrated for many more years. But isn't 10 years of whining and complaining about Loria enough?

 

Maybe it's time to complain about the fans. Or the sportswriters. Or to buy a ticket. That last possibility actually directly affects revenue and therefore Loria.

 

 

You really are an absurd person.

you end up with a pattern of Loria signing players to contracts with clearly no intention of paying out the full deal.

 

Total BS. You know no such thing and neither does anyone else. Not to mention that most deals in MLB are back-loaded and most don't have no-trade clauses.

 

He dumped Degado and the rest of the core because the fans didn't show up.

 

He dumped Reyes, et al because the fans didn't show up.

 

They have consistently said that payroll will be dictated by revenue. Every time he sticks his neck out and spends big, fans don't show up, revenue disappoints and they lose a lot of money. Old stadium, new stadium, doesn't matter.

 

Whining about Loria is a waste of time, he ain't selling. The problem is revenue, not Loria. Loria could sell tomorrow and the fans still wouldn't show up even if God bought the club.

 

So you and the rest of your ilk here and generally in south Florida are going to be frustrated for many more years. But isn't 10 years of whining and complaining about Loria enough?

 

Maybe it's time to complain about the fans. Or the sportswriters. Or to buy a ticket. That last possibility actually directly affects revenue and therefore Loria.

 

 

Well how about we figure out how to win without spending? The Rays can do it. The fans aren't going to show up. We're not a very good sports town in general when it comes to attendance.

 

He needs to step aside and out of the baseball decisions. Hire people to do it. If after a few years it isn't working then change.

Fans in Atlanta suck too. They still find ways to maneuver their finances and put solid teams out there.

".....".....if the best you can do to defend and address the article and incident in question is to blame the fans...that's ridiculous. The fans had nothing to do with whatever went on in Minnesota. The only thing to debate is whether the story is true or false.

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If it's true, it doesn't seem to me that it's good for the team going forward.

If it's true

 

Loria flatly denies it.

“I had nothing to do with the decision,� Loria told FOXSports.com on Friday. “I was informed of the decision by the baseball department. I told them it was their call.

 

“I don’t make decisions on who to pitch and when, how to go about it — that’s not my role. Sometimes they call me and tell me what they’re doing. But I don’t call them up and say, ‘This is what is going to happen.’ That’s not true.�

 

Loria, an art dealer, said he was discussing his primary business at the time he received a call about the pitching changes from general manager Michael Hill.

 

“I was engaged in discussions in the world about pictures, as in paintings, not pitchers, guys who can or can’t paint the strike zone.�

 

Shockingly, Loria actually has a sense of humor.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/miami-marlins-owner-jeffrey-loria-denies-ordering-flip-flop-starting-pitchers-doubleheader-042613

Wonder what "..." or David has to say about this?

 

He shouldn't have anything to say about it because he doesn't own the team.Joke

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Your head.

To the contrary, I think that my remark went over your head.

 

Maybe mystikol will explain to you why this is the case.

Sorry, I'm too busy stuck somewhere between the id and the ego.

Al Davis.

Not fair. Al Davis showed flashes of competence at times.

So...spend 2 different times and expect packed ballparks

 

Nobody around here seems to be able to make an anti-Loria argument without either outright lying (no spending at all, ever, addressed in post #11) or distorting reality.

 

They never expected to "pack" the old ballpark, they just hoped that attendance and revenue would increase enough to justify the higher payroll.

 

They never expected to "pack" the new ballpark, they projected 2.8 million in their first season in a brand new, smallish 3.0 million park. 1.4 million actually showed up. 50% doesn't cut it or support a 100 mill payroll. That's on the fans.

 

The only thing that's absurd around here are the fantasies about Loria. It's not Loria who's out of touch with the fans, it's the fans who are out of touch with the facts.

Also Loria ****ing sucks.

 

 

The only thing that's absurd around here are the fantasies about Loria. It's not Loria who's out of touch with the fans, it's the fans who are out of touch with the facts.

 

So the majority of the media including some good baseball minds, players, other gms, a good majority of the Marlins own fans are absurd because they share those fantasies?

So the majority of the media including some good baseball minds, players, other gms, a good majority of the Marlins own fans are absurd because they share those fantasies?

 

 

Majority of the media - yup.

 

Good baseball minds - which ones?

 

Players - which ones?

 

Other GMs - which ones?

 

Fans - yup.

You realize you are in the vast vast vast vast minority, among people who watch baseball, who are paid to comment on baseball, and others who are paid to comment on sports, in your opinion and stances on Loria, dont you?

Why did my post disappear? All I said was that I felt no pity for Loria and his son-in-law loosing money last year because it was Loria's fault we signed Reyes and Bell to those contracts. They were the ones that pushed those players on us without any consideration of the potential downside of those players.

Never mind, I posted it in another thread. I was so upset I didn't realize which thread I was posting to anymore. Can I blame it on Loria and the Leprechaun known as David Samson? It's their fault my blood pressure shoots up every night watching this team.

If it's true

 

Loria flatly denies it.

 

“I had nothing to do with the decision,� Loria told FOXSports.com on Friday. “I was informed of the decision by the baseball department. I told them it was their call.

 

“I don’t make decisions on who to pitch and when, how to go about it — that’s not my role. Sometimes they call me and tell me what they’re doing. But I don’t call them up and say, ‘This is what is going to happen.’ That’s not true.�

 

Loria, an art dealer, said he was discussing his primary business at the time he received a call about the pitching changes from general manager Michael Hill.

 

“I was engaged in discussions in the world about pictures, as in paintings, not pitchers, guys who can or can’t paint the strike zone.�

Shockingly, Loria actually has a sense of humor.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/miami-marlins-owner-jeffrey-loria-denies-ordering-flip-flop-starting-pitchers-doubleheader-042613

 

 

 

Don't believe Loria. Sounds a lot like "you should buy a house down here, Jose."

 

@... I get it. Fans suck. They didn't support this team even when the team showed real promise. You have a valid point there.

 

But Loria has taken the most hard-core fans and caused them to turn away from Loria's team.

 

Hear this: the Marlins will NOT be anything other than a national punchline UNTIL Loria sells.

Shockingly, Loria actually has a sense of humor.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/miami-marlins-owner-jeffrey-loria-denies-ordering-flip-flop-starting-pitchers-doubleheader-042613

 

 

 

After that "joke" I would say he most definitely does not have a sense of humor.

so the marlins payroll will go up significantly next year right?

 

since the revenues from national tv deals goes up significantly in 2014.

Oh and regarding the Fernandez deal, i'm 100% convinced Loria or one of his henchmen were behind the move. If Loria didnt make the call himself, he instructed the front office to make that call.

 

I mean Fernandez being in the big leagues is 100% Loria to start with, so this would only make perfect sense. Regardless, if the Marlins operated like a real organization, they would let the manager actually make the on the field decisions.

 

When the standards of practice says the veteran picks the game he starts in a doubleheader, you dont just go around changing things up because you feel like it. Its stupid and not how you will actually ever attract players without far grossly overpaying them, or in the case of a Polanco, a guy needing a job.

Never mind, I posted it in another thread. I was so upset I didn't realize which thread I was posting to anymore. Can I blame it on Loria and the Leprechaun known as David Samson? It's their fault my blood pressure shoots up every night watching this team.

 

 

From experience, they don't really delete posts until it becomes a "F You" post multiple times.

 

From Experience.

Wonder what "..." or David has to say about this?

 

He shouldn't have anything to say about it because he doesn't own the team.Joke

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Your head.

To the contrary, I think that my remark went over your head.

 

Maybe mystikol will explain to you why this is the case.

Sorry, I'm too busy stuck somewhere between the id and the ego.

 

It's okay, we all have different Stand Points and all of our experiences with the Marlins are extremely subjective. If they were objective, we wouldn't be here.

 

For instance- take "Eudyptula minor's" life... I'm certainly not qualified to speak on his subjective experiences. Or even your own.

For instance- take "Eudyptula minor's" life... I'm certainly not qualified to speak on his subjective experiences. Or even your own.

 

 

That didn't stop you from trying in the past, did it?

For instance- take "Eudyptula minor's" life... I'm certainly not qualified to speak on his subjective experiences. Or even your own.

 

That didn't stop you from trying in the past, did it?

 

 

Nope- lol. Didn't try. I did.

The responses from everyone in that thread said otherwise.