I have more of a problem with the baseball moves being made than him not spending money/being cheap.

 

If he's making the baseball moves, he should stop.

If Beinfest/Hill are making them, he should fire them.

 

But I'm sure he'll fire Redmond instead before he does any of that.

I have more of a problem with the baseball moves being made than him not spending money/being cheap.

 

If he's making the baseball moves, he should stop.

If Beinfest/Hill are making them, he should fire them.

 

But I'm sure he'll fire Redmond instead before he does any of that.

 

 

 

Its the Loria way.

I have more of a problem with the baseball moves being made than him not spending money/being cheap.

 

If he's making the baseball moves, he should stop.

If Beinfest/Hill are making them, he should fire them.

 

But I'm sure he'll fire Redmond instead before he does any of that.

 

Can't like this enough

Saw that on reddit. Why hassle the person working that line who has nothing to do with Loria? Stupid.

makes for a decent little internet joke. the guy obviously didn't expect a serious response. and what else are the people handing that line doing?

The guy starts to sound like a dick on that last statement to "explain the fraudulent nature"

eh, it just didn't end well.

coulda been entertaining.

Don't believe Loria. Sounds a lot like "you should buy a house down here, Jose."

 

Really? Why not?

 

Because you and others who drip anti-Loria vitriol say so?

 

Because you and others believe that everything burped up by the sports "media" based on unnamed sources is fact?

 

At best, Reyes, a guy without a no-trade clause misinterpreted Loria's enthusiasm for him when he was initially signed. And I'm sure Loria had no intention of trading him when he was signed -- we were supposed to win and Reyes would be a key piece -- not lose too many games and lose 47 mill in the process.

 

At worst, Reyes is an outright liar.

 

I think he's just fudging a bit to protect his apparently frail ego or perhaps his unrealistic expectations.

 

Shortly before the trade with Toronto, Miami president of baseball operations Admin Beinfest gave Loria a briefing, saying the deal was close.

 

Loria then called up Reyes' agent, Peter Greenberg, to fill him in.

 

"Let me set the record straight," Loria said. "What you've been told is inaccurate. It was inaccurate. I never told him to buy a house. He was looking for a house. He came to an ALS dinner that I invited him to. He sat two people away from me.

 

"Admin came to me with the trade that he wanted to do. I immediately called Jose's agent, out of respect, and said, 'Jose is going to be traded.' I want you to call him before he reads about it. He hasn't bought a house, has he? No, he's contemplating. So, I said, just call him and let him know."

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130225&content_id=41997614&notebook_id=41997742&vkey=notebook_mia&c_id=mia

 

When pressed again Tuesday on the subject, Loria dismissed Reyes' accusations by saying that the shortstop was on a plane to Dubai four days before the trade was done and the two did not speak since then. The only contact was during that dinner function, and Loria said it was brief.

 

"I had no idea we were putting together any trade that was going to happen while he was away," Loria said. "First of all, he sat two people away from me, so I had very little opportunity to speak with him. My wife sat between us.

 

"I asked if he'd been to Miami, he said he'd been looking at houses, and his wife was down there. Three or four days later, [general manager] Admin [beinfest] called me with what he wanted to do."

 

That's when Loria said he got in touch with Reyes' agent to stop his house-hunting expedition.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/homeowner-dispute-marlins-jeffrey-loria-counters-jose-reyes-claim-1.4714768

 

This is just another of the myriad examples here of unjustified Loria-bashing. Buy a damned (heavily discounted) ticket, that'll have a bigger effect on Loria than making ridiculous arguments based on no facts.

In thinking about this whole topic, I'm not sure how the whole "Loria interferes with everything" thing got started.

 

Maybe it was when Girardi told him to shut up when he was yelling at an ump.

 

The guy is an art dealer in NY and he spends most of his time there, but he likes to attend as many home games as possible. He's a fan and he wants to win. His flat-out denials of interfering make sense, he's got better things to do than selecting starting pitchers for a double-header or who will be sent down, or who will be traded, or who should buy a house in Miami.

 

And, he's got as much right as anyone in the stands to yell at an ump. More power to him. The umps usually deserve it.

 

You can criticize him for sticking with Beinfest/Hill and their scouts/underlings in view of their failing to make the play-offs for 10 years, but that's about it.

Why buy a ticket to watch a crappy product?

 

Because you love baseball.

 

The mediocre but expensive product of last year wasn't their intent. Fans didn't show up, 100 mill payroll notwithstanding. I'm not sure they'd show up for a team that won 90+ games. See Tampa.

 

I get it that you want to replace the FO. Which may or may not have any effect. See the Cubs for the last 104 years.

All of the reports?

 

Yup, one "reporter" feeds off of the next "reporter" with anonymous sources. You're right, someone is lying, and it ain't Loria.

 

If Loria isn't supposed to interfere, why would he have any "vision" for the team? That would be a FO thing, operating according to his precepts, or "vision" if you prefer.

 

Loria's partners in Montreal killed the Expos. See the rulings in the lawsuits.

 

I'd recommend writing a letter about "removing the f***ING SALAD BAR FROM THE DIAMOND CLUB."

 

We agree that Loria was at the majority of home games last season.

 

The lack of success of the Cubs is an excellent argument -- they (and many other teams) prove that FO changes aren't a guarantee of anything. Don't like the Cubs example, how about those Pirates? 20 years without a winning season. Or the Royals. 2 winning seasons in 21 years. Lots of FO turmoil, no results.

 

The Marlins only have 6 winning seasons in their 20 year history -- 5 of them under Loria.

I don't see how Loria is immediately granted immunity from lying? Like everything he says and does Is written in stone truth.

 

I'd post a list of those people you wanted me to but half are players or media that have already been called liars by you so there's not much of a much and in sure you have seen the articles anyway.

All of the reports?

 

Yup, one "reporter" feeds off of the next "reporter" with anonymous sources. You're right, someone is lying, and it ain't Loria.

 

If Loria isn't supposed to interfere, why would he have any "vision" for the team? That would be a FO thing, operating according to his precepts, or "vision" if you prefer.

 

Loria's partners in Montreal killed the Expos. See the rulings in the lawsuits.

 

I'd recommend writing a letter about "removing the f***ING SALAD BAR FROM THE DIAMOND CLUB."

 

We agree that Loria was at the majority of home games last season.

 

The lack of success of the Cubs is an excellent argument -- they (and many other teams) prove that FO changes aren't a guarantee of anything. Don't like the Cubs example, how about those Pirates? 20 years without a winning season. Or the Royals. 2 winning seasons in 21 years. Lots of FO turmoil, no results.

 

The Marlins only have 6 winning seasons in their 20 year history -- 5 of them under Loria.

 

But that's no excuse to just sit on your hands and not make a move in the FO because a few teams out of the many don't have winning seasons. As I have said I'm not satisfied making the middle of the pack or almost making a playoff spot. I want to see playoff baseball every few years.

 

I think the main thing that frustrates us is the way the FO and Loria does business. They do many things against the grain of the vast majority of other teams and, they have very likely ruined our chances of getting legitimate FAs for a reasonable cost compared to other teams, if and when he decided to spend again.

...'s defense of Loria is just comical to the point of being not believable at this point.

 

I mean 99.9% of the sports world agrees, both fans and those paid to cover the sport, that Loria is a crook, a swindler, and the worst owner in baseball if not all sports who has used the Marlins franchise to prop up his personal wealth and who has repeatedly lied about the teams finances. He has been exposed time and again for just how terrible he really is.

 

I usually appreciate someone being in an extreme minority but still putting up a fight, but thats only if their argument is solid and substantiated. That is not the case with you "...". You get more ridiculous by the post.

Because nobody is willing to see past their hatred of Loria. Did I like the fact that he dumped salary again? No. Can I understand why he did it? Yes.

 

Just move on, everyone.

Ridiculously so, too.

Because nobody is willing to see past their hatred of Loria. Did I like the fact that he dumped salary again? No. Can I understand why he did it? Yes.

 

Just move on, everyone.

 

Blind trust and love is just as dumb as blind hate.

Don't believe Loria. Sounds a lot like "you should buy a house down here, Jose."

 

Really? Why not?

 

Because you and others who drip anti-Loria vitriol say so?

 

Because you and others believe that everything burped up by the sports "media" based on unnamed sources is fact?

 

At best, Reyes, a guy without a no-trade clause misinterpreted Loria's enthusiasm for him when he was initially signed. And I'm sure Loria had no intention of trading him when he was signed -- we were supposed to win and Reyes would be a key piece -- not lose too many games and lose 47 mill in the process.

 

At worst, Reyes is an outright liar.

 

I think he's just fudging a bit to protect his apparently frail ego or perhaps his unrealistic expectations.

 

Shortly before the trade with Toronto, Miami president of baseball operations Admin Beinfest gave Loria a briefing, saying the deal was close.

 

Loria then called up Reyes' agent, Peter Greenberg, to fill him in.

 

"Let me set the record straight," Loria said. "What you've been told is inaccurate. It was inaccurate. I never told him to buy a house. He was looking for a house. He came to an ALS dinner that I invited him to. He sat two people away from me.

 

"Admin came to me with the trade that he wanted to do. I immediately called Jose's agent, out of respect, and said, 'Jose is going to be traded.' I want you to call him before he reads about it. He hasn't bought a house, has he? No, he's contemplating. So, I said, just call him and let him know."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130225&content_id=41997614&notebook_id=41997742&vkey=notebook_mia&c_id=mia

When pressed again Tuesday on the subject, Loria dismissed Reyes' accusations by saying that the shortstop was on a plane to Dubai four days before the trade was done and the two did not speak since then. The only contact was during that dinner function, and Loria said it was brief.

 

"I had no idea we were putting together any trade that was going to happen while he was away," Loria said. "First of all, he sat two people away from me, so I had very little opportunity to speak with him. My wife sat between us.

 

"I asked if he'd been to Miami, he said he'd been looking at houses, and his wife was down there. Three or four days later, [general manager] Admin [beinfest] called me with what he wanted to do."

 

That's when Loria said he got in touch with Reyes' agent to stop his house-hunting expedition.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/homeowner-dispute-marlins-jeffrey-loria-counters-jose-reyes-claim-1.4714768

 

This is just another of the myriad examples here of unjustified Loria-bashing. Buy a damned (heavily discounted) ticket, that'll have a bigger effect on Loria than making ridiculous arguments based on no facts.

 

There are many reasons to keep a home in Miami- the weather is one, and the lack of state income tax is another. The same reason Derek Jeter lives in Tampa and visits NY and Arod is a Miami homeowner.

 

Being a marlin should be third on the list of reasons to buy a home here.

Because nobody is willing to see past their hatred of Loria. Did I like the fact that he dumped salary again? No. Can I understand why he did it? Yes.

 

Just move on, everyone.

 

Blind trust and love is just as dumb as blind hate.

 

 

Not blind trust or love anywhere here. I didn't like the salary dump, as I said, but I can understand from the business side of things why he did it. Don't misconstrue my statement.

 

 

 

Ridiculously so, too.

 

 

Yes. Its completely ridiculous to be passionate about a sports team. Pretty sure we are all here out of ridiculousness...ness.

 

 

I'm as passionate, if not more, than most people on this board about the Marlins. The amount of passion about this topic is ridiculous, and people need to get over it.

Because nobody is willing to see past their hatred of Loria. Did I like the fact that he dumped salary again? No. Can I understand why he did it? Yes.

 

Just move on, everyone.

 

Blind trust and love is just as dumb as blind hate.

 

 

Not blind trust or love anywhere here. I didn't like the salary dump, as I said, but I can understand from the business side of things why he did it. Don't misconstrue my statement.

 

 

 

Ridiculously so, too.

 

 

Yes. Its completely ridiculous to be passionate about a sports team. Pretty sure we are all here out of ridiculousness...ness.

 

 

I'm as passionate, if not more, than most people on this board about the Marlins. The amount of passion about this topic is ridiculous, and people need to get over it.

 

 

 

 

Mike,

 

Not trying to stir s*** bro but why do we have to get over it? I think from what I can tell Squall and I and sounds like Erick too are mainly upset about the baseball side of things that never change. Baseball decisions that are directly effecting the way the Marlins play and how we as fans are effected are very important and not something that should be just forgotten.

 

I love this team as much as anyone else and if I was down there and able, I probably would be going to games regardless of the record. I pay MLB $130 bucks a year to watch this team 6 months out of the year and deserve a voice in the matter and can try to put valid complaints to my reasons I'm pissed off. Im not starting needless threads over it but when the chance arises within reason, i make my voice heard.

I understand the wanting to try and support your team no matter what. I was there since I joined this board and when people were saying Loria wouldnt spend money with the stadium. I was on the FO's side because I was given them a chance to put together a playoff team with decent payroll for once. Something needs to change in the FO, be it owner or a wipeout of the current FO with a clean slate.

if you like rooting for good business, go invest in a stock. this is a baseball team.

 

if the fans on this board can't discuss the negatives about the team, the management, and the owner there's no board at this point.

Because nobody is willing to see past their hatred of Loria. Did I like the fact that he dumped salary again? No. Can I understand why he did it? Yes.

 

Just move on, everyone.

 

 

What? The way he's running the club and the question of who's really in charge of the FO dictates how the team will be in the future. If the method of scouting, acquiring, judging and developing talent is faulty now because Loria's been dictating it, then the franchise will continue to be bad-mediocre.

 

And even if Loria isn't dictating how the FO operates, then he's doing a bad job by keeping the people in power. There is a pattern of poor decisions and it's not just a simple mistake to overlook. This is a poorly run franchise that will continue to be poorly run unless decisions (besides managers) are made. I mean, unless Stanton is traded and we get prospects back, this team is in a mess.

 

There are people who don't hate Loria but can see how this franchise operates and sees flaws. Especially since we got a taste of their FO methodology in that reality show last year and with how short sighted they managed the Carlos Lee-Hanley last July. We can't just be dismissed as haters because we see that improvements can be made and there is a legitimate pattern of doubt developing as to who's a lame duck and who's in charge.

My point is it's the same shit over and over again for six months now. Go ahead and be negative, it's fine, but just get off the subject of Loria and the front office. The trade happened, the way he runs things is clear, it's like a board of fucking parrots. There can easily be a board without negativity towards Loria - in case you hadn't noticed, the board has been here for 12 years. I'm also not "rooting for business," again, I just said I can understand WHY the move was made from a business side of things. I also said I was against the trade, if you hadn't noticed.

 

Palette - I see it, too. It's not a well-run franchise. I understand it, and I get it. Everyone on this damn board gets it. Why does everyone on the board get it? BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE ENTIRE BOARD TALKS ABOUT. I had to close down the "when will we be competitive again" thread because it just became another Loria bashing thread. I'm not a Loria defender by any means, but it gets very, very tiring. To finish this, I'm not "dismissing" anyone as haters. Again, just tired of seeing it.

 

Now, people need to get over it, because bitching and moaning will change nothing about it. There's a HUGE difference between being upset and passively disliking ownership and what people on this board do. It's getting downright ridiculous.

Oh, and while I'm at it ...

ANOTHER thing that keeps getting repeated here ...

"Stanton doesn't care and doesn't want to be here."

 

Stanton doesn't care because he's sucking right now? He's PURPOSEFULLY being a sh*tty player? I guess Juan Pierre doesn't want to be here, either. I suppose Jon Rauch wishes he were on a different team. I think Steve Cishek probably envisions himself in a different uniform. I assume Wade LeBlanc wishes he was back on the Padres. Hell, in his last two starts, Fernandez has given us proof he doesn't like being on this team anymore! The only ones that must want to be here are Slowey, Polanco, and Mahoney, since they aren't sucking at this moment.

My point is it's the same s*** over and over again for six months now. Go ahead and be negative, it's fine, but just get off the subject of Loria and the front office. The trade happened, the way he runs things is clear, it's like a board of f***ing parrots. There can easily be a board without negativity towards Loria - in case you hadn't noticed, the board has been here for 12 years. I'm also not "rooting for business," again, I just said I can understand WHY the move was made from a business side of things. I also said I was against the trade, if you hadn't noticed.

 

Palette - I see it, too. It's not a well-run franchise. I understand it, and I get it. Everyone on this damn board gets it. Why does everyone on the board get it? BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE ENTIRE BOARD TALKS ABOUT. I had to close down the "when will we be competitive again" thread because it just became another Loria bashing thread. I'm not a Loria defender by any means, but it gets very, very tiring. To finish this, I'm not "dismissing" anyone as haters. Again, just tired of seeing it.

 

Now, people need to get over it, because bitching and moaning will change nothing about it. There's a HUGE difference between being upset and passively disliking ownership and what people on this board do. It's getting downright ridiculous.

 

Nothing we say or do on these boards will change anything. That doesn't mean we can't discuss it... also, if people don't want to hear Loria bashing then don't click on negative threads. Click on one of our many positive ones (or start one)