May 31, 201313 yr Several people here were adamantly saying that the 2013 team would surprise people like the 2006 team did. Does anybody want to reconsider that position? I stand firm in my beliefs. I know I'm surprised. I certainly never expected this much suck.
May 31, 201313 yr Several people here were adamantly saying that the 2013 team would surprise people like the 2006 team did. Does anybody want to reconsider that position? I stand firm in my beliefs. So when can we expect the Marlins to make their move against the Braves? No better time then the present
May 31, 201313 yr This team can't lose 100 games. It is impossible because of the talent on this team. It will not happen. No chance. When Stanton comes back and Yelich comes up this team is going to explode. You are selling them way short. This is not the 1962 Mets. There are stars and monsters on this team.
May 31, 201313 yr This team can't lose 100 games. It is impossible because of the talent on this team. It will not happen. No chance. When Stanton comes back and Yelich comes up this team is going to explode. You are selling them way short. This is not the 1962 Mets. There are stars and monsters on this team. You keep using words like monsters and impossible. I'm not sure that you know what these words mean.
May 31, 201313 yr Did I not already show you that this team needs to play nearly .500 ball the rest of the season to avoid 100 losses? Not happening. Yelich isn't a superstar. He's going to be an average outfielder when he first gets called up and will eventually develop into a really nice outfield prospect. He's not Stanton when he was getting called up (aka a game changer). He's not going to change the complexion of this team. There are only two stars who are on this team. They are Giancarlo Stanton and Jose Fernandez. One of those guys is injured and probably out for a long time, and the other is a rookie and isn't going to see his numbers match his potential until at least year 3. At catcher we are below average (Brantly is a below average catcher currently. At his plateau he's a league average catcher). Long term Austin Barnes will probably be our starting catcher, but he's only at A+ ball and has a long way to go. Logan Morrison is a below average starting first baseman (Even at his best, he doesn't have nearly the power to compare to even league average 1B, and he stopped getting on base a lot when he left the minors). Donovan Solano is a bench player disguising himself as a starter. Derek Dietrich is a rookie who is currently going through tough stretches like he should and will do, and he should end the season near a low .700 OPS, but he's the guy who is our future starting 2B. Adeiny Hechavarria is batting .183. He's easily the worst hitting everyday player in baseball currently and doesn't belong anywhere near a starting lineup even with above average defensive abilities. Polanco is a waste at third base and is just there to fill time until we learn if Zack Cox can prove capable in the minors. Pierre is useless and will be gone once Yelich is ready or Stanton comes back from injury. Ruggiano is a 4th outfielder on a mediocre team and a starter caliber on a bad one like us. He's a poor man's Cody Ross and serves value as a platoon guy for some team next year that needs an extra outfielder. Marcel Ozuna is part of the team's future core, but he's obviously playing WAY over his head right now (just look at his minor league splits. He's a strike out machine). I like Ozuna, but he'll regress and it'll take at least a year or two for him to get his footing in the big leagues. Our starting pitching is filled with at least two guys who will be traded by July (Nolasco and Slowey) and a bunch of guys who belong in the minors or in the bullpen (Koehler, LeBlanc, Sanabia). Jacob Turner is raw as hell, but he is young and he'll learn. Still, his ceiling is as a #2 starter, more likely a 3 or 4. Alvarez is an unknown commodity, but based on his numbers for Toronto and in the minors he's probably another #3 starter long term. Jose Fernandez is a great young pitcher who will be our ace within the next year. Our bullpen is filled with guys who will be traded at the deadline (Webb/Dunn) and really young guys who are in no way sure things (Cishek/Ramos/Jennings). The best team we're going to put out on the major league roster isn't coming until mid 2014 or early 2015, and it might look like this... C: Barnes/Brantly 1B: Morrison (Probably somebody new) 2B: Dietrich SS: Some new Guy 3B: Cox LF: Ozuna/Marisnick CF: Yelich RF: Stanton SP: Fernandez/Rodon/Heaney/Turner/Nicolino Bullpen filled with guys like Ramos, Cishek, Eovaldi, Morey, Flynn, Descalfini, Hope, Conley, etc... And tons of these guys won't work out, so plans will obviously change. This team is in complete rebuild mode. There's probably only a handful of guys on the current roster that factor into the team's long term plans period. This also doesn't factor in the players we'll take in the 2013 draft (especially the 6th pick. I did factor Rodon #1 in 2014 to us already).
May 31, 201313 yr This team can't lose 100 games. It is impossible because of the talent on this team. It will not happen. No chance. When Stanton comes back and Yelich comes up this team is going to explode. You are selling them way short. This is not the 1962 Mets. There are stars and monsters on this team. You keep using words like monsters and impossible. I'm not sure that you know what these words mean. For how long will the trolling be allowed to continue?
May 31, 201313 yr This team can't lose 100 games. It is impossible because of the talent on this team. It will not happen. No chance. When Stanton comes back and Yelich comes up this team is going to explode. You are selling them way short. This is not the 1962 Mets. There are stars and monsters on this team. You keep using words like monsters and impossible. I'm not sure that you know what these words mean. For how long will the trolling be allowed to continue? I think you are the one who is a troll penguino you always are doing this act of yours. You think you are the king of the forum or something. Why so t you just get out of the conversation if you don't want to contribute anything. Sorry if I use words that you don't understand penguino.
May 31, 201313 yr I did factor Rodon #1 in 2014 to us already. Thanks for the tip, I'm reading about him now and will keep an eye on him. Good post.
May 31, 201313 yr Did I not already show you that this team needs to play nearly .500 ball the rest of the season to avoid 100 losses? Not happening. Yelich isn't a superstar. He's going to be an average outfielder when he first gets called up and will eventually develop into a really nice outfield prospect. He's not Stanton when he was getting called up (aka a game changer). He's not going to change the complexion of this team. There are only two stars who are on this team. They are Giancarlo Stanton and Jose Fernandez. One of those guys is injured and probably out for a long time, and the other is a rookie and isn't going to see his numbers match his potential until at least year 3. At catcher we are below average (Brantly is a below average catcher currently. At his plateau he's a league average catcher). Long term Austin Barnes will probably be our starting catcher, but he's only at A+ ball and has a long way to go. Logan Morrison is a below average starting first baseman (Even at his best, he doesn't have nearly the power to compare to even league average 1B, and he stopped getting on base a lot when he left the minors). Donovan Solano is a bench player disguising himself as a starter. Derek Dietrich is a rookie who is currently going through tough stretches like he should and will do, and he should end the season near a low .700 OPS, but he's the guy who is our future starting 2B. Adeiny Hechavarria is batting .183. He's easily the worst hitting everyday player in baseball currently and doesn't belong anywhere near a starting lineup even with above average defensive abilities. Polanco is a waste at third base and is just there to fill time until we learn if Zack Cox can prove capable in the minors. Pierre is useless and will be gone once Yelich is ready or Stanton comes back from injury. Ruggiano is a 4th outfielder on a mediocre team and a starter caliber on a bad one like us. He's a poor man's Cody Ross and serves value as a platoon guy for some team next year that needs an extra outfielder. Marcel Ozuna is part of the team's future core, but he's obviously playing WAY over his head right now (just look at his minor league splits. He's a strike out machine). I like Ozuna, but he'll regress and it'll take at least a year or two for him to get his footing in the big leagues. Our starting pitching is filled with at least two guys who will be traded by July (Nolasco and Slowey) and a bunch of guys who belong in the minors or in the bullpen (Koehler, LeBlanc, Sanabia). Jacob Turner is raw as hell, but he is young and he'll learn. Still, his ceiling is as a #2 starter, more likely a 3 or 4. Alvarez is an unknown commodity, but based on his numbers for Toronto and in the minors he's probably another #3 starter long term. Jose Fernandez is a great young pitcher who will be our ace within the next year. Our bullpen is filled with guys who will be traded at the deadline (Webb/Dunn) and really young guys who are in no way sure things (Cishek/Ramos/Jennings). The best team we're going to put out on the major league roster isn't coming until mid 2014 or early 2015, and it might look like this... C: Barnes/Brantly 1B: Morrison (Probably somebody new) 2B: Dietrich SS: Some new Guy 3B: Cox LF: Ozuna/Marisnick CF: Yelich RF: Stanton SP: Fernandez/Rodon/Heaney/Turner/Nicolino Bullpen filled with guys like Ramos, Cishek, Eovaldi, Morey, Flynn, Descalfini, Hope, Conley, etc... And tons of these guys won't work out, so plans will obviously change. This team is in complete rebuild mode. There's probably only a handful of guys on the current roster that factor into the team's long term plans period. This also doesn't factor in the players we'll take in the 2013 draft (especially the 6th pick. I did factor Rodon #1 in 2014 to us already). Dim I think you are right about alot of your points but I think you are way off about Yelich. He will be a monster in the MLB. I wouldn't be surprised to see him lead the team in almost every offensive category at the end of the year even though he came up late. Stanton will probably lead in home runs if he comes back anytime soon. Your points are well thought out though and at least you gave good reasons why you think what you think. Unlike SOME people you obviously know about the game and aren't rude. Good post bro.
May 31, 201313 yr Yelich is a five tool player. He'll be consistently good in just about everything. He'll steal some bases, hit for average, show some pop and play stellar defense, but he doesn't exactly excel in any one thing. Back when he was a 1st base prospect out of high school there were high end comparisons to John Olerud as a hitter. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if Yelich's ceiling is in the mold of where John Olerud's career was at. I forgot to mention in my original post that this team has a ton of options. If Marisnick starts to produce amazing stats in the minor at some point and Morrison doesn't work out (and we decide NOT to trade Stanton), it wouldn't surprise me if Stanton is moved to 1st base at some point IF he continues to suffer from injuries. Another option is to put Yelich there considering he's played 1st base before (although I prefer Yelich in the outfield as it adds to his value). We have a great deal of options long term, and some of these options will bust out. The important part is to find the few players who bust out. Find the one guy who bursts onto the scene unexpectedly and becomes a star for your team. Whatever I wrote earlier is going to turn out wrong, because minor league prospects are completely unpredictable. That's one of the biggest problems with what the Marlins did (other than giving up on a long term plan and giving a big middle finger to the fan base). They're banking their long term future on prospects, many of them middle of the line prospects currently who we have no idea whether they'll become major leaguers or bust out in the minors.
May 31, 201313 yr This team can't lose 100 games. It is impossible because of the talent on this team. It will not happen. No chance. When Stanton comes back and Yelich comes up this team is going to explode. You are selling them way short. This is not the 1962 Mets. There are stars and monsters on this team. You keep using words like monsters and impossible. I'm not sure that you know what these words mean.
May 31, 201313 yr Yelich is a five tool player. He'll be consistently good in just about everything. He'll steal some bases, hit for average, show some pop and play stellar defense, but he doesn't exactly excel in any one thing. Back when he was a 1st base prospect out of high school there were high end comparisons to John Olerud as a hitter. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if Yelich's ceiling is in the mold of where John Olerud's career was at. I forgot to mention in my original post that this team has a ton of options. If Marisnick starts to produce amazing stats in the minor at some point and Morrison doesn't work out (and we decide NOT to trade Stanton), it wouldn't surprise me if Stanton is moved to 1st base at some point IF he continues to suffer from injuries. Another option is to put Yelich there considering he's played 1st base before (although I prefer Yelich in the outfield as it adds to his value). We have a great deal of options long term, and some of these options will bust out. The important part is to find the few players who bust out. Find the one guy who bursts onto the scene unexpectedly and becomes a star for your team. Whatever I wrote earlier is going to turn out wrong, because minor league prospects are completely unpredictable. That's one of the biggest problems with what the Marlins did (other than giving up on a long term plan and giving a big middle finger to the fan base). They're banking their long term future on prospects, many of them middle of the line prospects currently who we have no idea whether they'll become major leaguers or bust out in the minors. That's true. The only thing I don't like about Yelich is that he doesn't have a very nice body. He really needs to pack on some pounds or I worry that he will be on the disabled list for 50 games a year. I don't trust skinny players like him usually but since i have seen him play and look dominate at the plate I just hope he can get a little more beefcake. That worries me also about Heccheverria to because he also doesn't have a very good body and needs to pack it on. He will never hit for any power as long as he is that skinny but he is here to play defense and hit 7th or 8th. He is Ozzy Smith basically. If Yelich can become John Olerud that would be killer but I see him more as a Wade Boggs type of hitter but with alot more power if he can beef it up. Good post though bro you are right about how unpredictable prospects are. That's the way it is it is a crap shoot every time especially the draft.
May 31, 201313 yr The body type doesn't matter if they can hit. Cody Ross is 5'9 160 or something and he hit over 20 homers for us one year. Size does not matter, looks do not matter if they can produce. "We're not selling jeans here."
June 1, 201313 yr Cody is like 5"10' but he is almost 200 pounds he is a bit beefcake like Uggla. Yelich has to put on weight if he is going to hit for big power consistently and not have injury troubles. Conditioning is very important in sports.if he never puts on the weight he can still e a Wade Boggs type of hitter and that's cool with me because Ozuna and Stanton will do the monster mash around him.
June 1, 201313 yr Yelich does not need to beef up. He OPSed over .900 last year with just 12 homers. Just to give you an idea. (going off the top of my head) And Cody is 195, so my mistake there.
June 1, 201313 yr Yelich does not need to beef up. He OPSed over .900 last year with just 12 homers. Just to give you an idea. (going off the top of my head) And Cody is 195, so my mistake there. Yeah Cody is country strong. Definitely beefcake. I hope your right about Yelich but man I would be so much more comfortable with him starting every day if he didn't have the body of Eric Reed.
June 1, 201313 yr Yelich has good enough power with his current size, maybe a 25 homer guy in his prime. Leave him be. Plus, if he beefs up, he won't be as much of a speed threat.
June 1, 201313 yr Yelich is a five tool player. He'll be consistently good in just about everything. He'll steal some bases, hit for average, show some pop and play stellar defense, but he doesn't exactly excel in any one thing. Back when he was a 1st base prospect out of high school there were high end comparisons to John Olerud as a hitter. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if Yelich's ceiling is in the mold of where John Olerud's career was at. I forgot to mention in my original post that this team has a ton of options. If Marisnick starts to produce amazing stats in the minor at some point and Morrison doesn't work out (and we decide NOT to trade Stanton), it wouldn't surprise me if Stanton is moved to 1st base at some point IF he continues to suffer from injuries. Another option is to put Yelich there considering he's played 1st base before (although I prefer Yelich in the outfield as it adds to his value). We have a great deal of options long term, and some of these options will bust out. The important part is to find the few players who bust out. Find the one guy who bursts onto the scene unexpectedly and becomes a star for your team. Whatever I wrote earlier is going to turn out wrong, because minor league prospects are completely unpredictable. That's one of the biggest problems with what the Marlins did (other than giving up on a long term plan and giving a big middle finger to the fan base). They're banking their long term future on prospects, many of them middle of the line prospects currently who we have no idea whether they'll become major leaguers or bust out in the minors. That's true. The only thing I don't like about Yelich is that he doesn't have a very nice body. He really needs to pack on some pounds or I worry that he will be on the disabled list for 50 games a year. I don't trust skinny players like him usually but since i have seen him play and look dominate at the plate I just hope he can get a little more beefcake. That worries me also about Heccheverria to because he also doesn't have a very good body and needs to pack it on. He will never hit for any power as long as he is that skinny but he is here to play defense and hit 7th or 8th. He is Ozzy Smith basically. If Yelich can become John Olerud that would be killer but I see him more as a Wade Boggs type of hitter but with alot more power if he can beef it up. Good post though bro you are right about how unpredictable prospects are. That's the way it is it is a crap shoot every time especially the draft.
June 1, 201313 yr "why is everyone so down on this team?" Not sure about everyone else...but 13 Wins and 41 Losses is a good enough reason...Don't you think?
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