Posted March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481397 Poor Mutts Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481401 Harvey in, then Wheeler out. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481402 BTW, It's weird thing again. Spread of TJ plague isn't over yet, same as 2014. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr Author comment_1481403 Stop babying pitchers. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481404 For real though, this sucks. Division rival or not, Wheeler is an exciting young pitcher and a top three of Harvey, deGrom, and Wheeler was going to be fun to watch when not pitching against the Marlins. Dillon Gee just "earned" himself a spot in the rotation, I guess. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481405 This sucks for them and I can't wish poor health to any team but one can't grieve forever and it hasn't taken me long to think this could actually make a decent difference in us and the Mets this year. I honestly believe the Marlins are better than the Mets but many seem to think the Mets pitching can carry them to contention. This might make the difference right here. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481406 mets will be fine, now Syndergaard will get into the rotation, until he goes down next year.... TJ is becoming a real PITA, but I don't see how trainers/coach can avoid it. But Wheeler was a fun guy to watch, my work has mets season tickets, I was able to see a lot of him last season. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481420 mets will be fine, now Syndergaard will get into the rotation, until he goes down next year.... TJ is becoming a real PITA, but I don't see how trainers/coach can avoid it. I may be wrong here, but I have read the fact that they're throwing a five ounce ball as hard as they possibly can time after time after time after time may be a leading factor, and that's just fastballs. Combine in sliders, curveballs, splitters, etc, and it all takes a pretty nasty toll on your elbow. The problem with a lot of younger pitchers [typically in high school] is they know there are probably scouts watching them right at that moment, and want to show them, "hey, I've got 98! Look, I did it again! See, here it is again! Oh and here's my slider that goes 90 and breaks six feet! Wanna see it again? Ow my arm hurts." These kids don't realize that less is more. If you can max out at 98 mph, great. But hold that back until you need to throw 98. Really, if you can throw 98, I honestly say dial it back a little, go for a little more control and throw the ball at about 80, 85% intensity. With proper mechanics, you're still going to throw the ball low to mid 90s. Perfect example of this is Justin Verlander. He first came up throwing upper 90s, 100+ all the time, but as he's matured, he's realized that he's good enough to just dial it back, relax, throw strikes with less intensity, and hey, look at that, 93 mph. Got him a Cy Young and MVP award in 2011. Granted he hasn't been amazing since then, but you get the picture. Tyler Kolek seems to have gotten that idea, or at least I hope. You hear mentions that his fastball touched 102 multiple times, but every video I see of him pitching that has a speed showing, he's low to mid 90s with control. I approve. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 20159 yr comment_1481422 Like I said, no way to avoid it. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 21, 20159 yr comment_1481765 Huge blow to the Mets, this is basically the equivalent to us losing Henderson Alvarez for the year. As someone else mentioned above, with the Mets and Marlins looking extremely close on paper before this year, this is a blow that could very likely give the Marlins a big edge moving forward if they can stay healthy. The Mets rotation is what set them apart from Miami, but without Wheeler I fail to see an edge anymore, and Miami clearly has the offensive advantage. Wheeler had been a Marlin killer too, so this is extra good news for us. Just a terrible break for the Mets riding high on the return of Harvey. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 22, 20159 yr comment_1481828 As someone else mentioned above, with the Mets and Marlins looking extremely close on paper before this year, this is a blow that could very likely give the Marlins a big edge moving forward if they can stay healthy. The Mets rotation is what set them apart from Miami, but without Wheeler I fail to see an edge anymore, and Miami clearly has the offensive advantage. Harvey, deGrom, Niese, Colon, Gee [syndargaard, Matz] vs [Fernandez] Alvarez, Latos, Cosart, Haren, Koehler [Nicolino] Much as I hate to say it, I still give the rotation edge to the Mets. If Jose comes back and is still as good as he was before, then it's a lot more comparable, but overall still tipped in the Mets favor. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 22, 20159 yr comment_1481843 As someone else mentioned above, with the Mets and Marlins looking extremely close on paper before this year, this is a blow that could very likely give the Marlins a big edge moving forward if they can stay healthy. The Mets rotation is what set them apart from Miami, but without Wheeler I fail to see an edge anymore, and Miami clearly has the offensive advantage. Harvey, deGrom, Niese, Colon, Gee [syndargaard, Matz] vs [Fernandez] Alvarez, Latos, Cosart, Haren, Koehler [Nicolino] Much as I hate to say it, I still give the rotation edge to the Mets. If Jose comes back and is still as good as he was before, then it's a lot more comparable, but overall still tipped in the Mets favor. I'm absolutely expecting 3 months of dominance from Jose in my expectation that we will have a superior rotation. I don't see my reason to expect less. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 22, 20159 yr comment_1481846 As someone else mentioned above, with the Mets and Marlins looking extremely close on paper before this year, this is a blow that could very likely give the Marlins a big edge moving forward if they can stay healthy. The Mets rotation is what set them apart from Miami, but without Wheeler I fail to see an edge anymore, and Miami clearly has the offensive advantage. Harvey, deGrom, Niese, Colon, Gee [syndargaard, Matz] vs [Fernandez] Alvarez, Latos, Cosart, Haren, Koehler [Nicolino] Much as I hate to say it, I still give the rotation edge to the Mets. If Jose comes back and is still as good as he was before, then it's a lot more comparable, but overall still tipped in the Mets favor. I'm absolutely expecting 3 months of dominance from Jose in my expectation that we will have a superior rotation. I don't see my reason to expect less. Even with three months of dominance from Jose, the Mets have the better rotation, but not by much. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/71389-zack-wheeler-headed-for-tommy-john/?&do=findComment&comment=1481846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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