Noah Syndergaard is a top-20 pitcher in baseball who would be an ace on almost any other team. I know you're not a fan of WAR, but Syndergaard put up more value (3.1) in his rookie season than Koehler has his entire career (2.5). Syndergaard's rookie season was, by every single metric available, better than any season Koehler has ever had. Tom Koehler is a fine pitcher and could be a serviceable middle of the rotation guy, but to say he could be better than one of the best pitchers in the universe is a bit of a stretch.

 

Wouldn't that observation go against comparing Syndergaard vs. Koehler as a #3 starter?  You just admitted that he can be an Ace on most staff's. 

 

 

What about KHOLER?

 

gives me Kholesterol

 

 

Wouldn't that observation go against comparing Syndergaard vs. Koehler as a #3 starter?  You just admitted that he can be an Ace on most staff's. 

 

Right, but as of now he's the #3 on the Mets. Koehler would be in the bullpen on a lot of staffs or a #5 at best. Doesn't stop him from being called a #3 because that's where he is on the current depth chart.

 

 

Right, but as of now he's the #3 on the Mets. Koehler would be in the bullpen on a lot of staffs or a #5 at best. Doesn't stop him from being called a #3 because that's where he is on the current depth chart.

 

Koehler's not bad as a #4. You have to compare them to the average staffs in baseball. The Mets might have the best pitching staff in baseball. 

 

 

I know I make this case often, but there are so many other factors that contribute to that.  Koehler has never really been in a solidified rotation, and that changes the way other teams go about planning to face a pitcher.  Also, it is undeniable that Koehler has had trouble in some of the later innings.  Some people blame it on pitch selection, but I think it was a psychological issue, considering he has never had trouble in any 5th inning in his life.  My assumption is that he will fix those issues and reach his full potential.  It is arbitrary and optimistic, but time will tell.

 

Wait, are you suggesting Koehler has the upside to be like Syndergaard? 

 

 

i saw mets vs marlins game will re board cast  early on sat on  mlb network 3am so set dvd that time i did

 

 

I am suggesting that Koehler has a viable shot at being one the best #3 starters in baseball this year.  Take it for what you will.

 

I'm just curious here- he's never been one of the best starters in baseball, what makes you think he makes that jump this season? 

 

 

I am suggesting that Koehler has a viable shot at being one the best #3 starters in baseball this year.  Take it for what you will.

 

Maybe he'll overachieve in terms of ERA because of usage & team defense, but there's not much to suggest, skill wise, that this is probable. I do agree with you, though, that some on this board are very unfair when discussing him. He really hasn't hurt this team in the rotation the past two years as some would have you believe, and he'd be a starter on a lot of teams. 

 

 

Admin have fsn giving spring game broadcast Schedule?

 

 

Also, even though Ozuna isn't the prototypical #2 hitter, I hope he stays there. 

 

 

I know I make this case often, but there are so many other factors that contribute to that.  Koehler has never really been in a solidified rotation, and that changes the way other teams go about planning to face a pitcher.  Also, it is undeniable that Koehler has had trouble in some of the later innings.  Some people blame it on pitch selection, but I think it was a psychological issue, considering he has never had trouble in any 5th inning in his life.  My assumption is that he will fix those issues and reach his full potential.  It is arbitrary and optimistic, but time will tell.

 

I agree with you on the psychological issue aspect. He's a legitimately good pitcher in the first three innings, then he is a batting practice pitching machine in the fourth. The time through the order penalty is a real thing that all pitchers experience, but it's just so blatant with Koehler that there must be something else going on. It might be a psychological issue where he tries to do too much the second time around to hide his pitches or it could even have something to do with fatigue. We've all seen Koehler's 7 inning, 2 hits, 0 runs outings be followed up by 3.1 innings, 8 hits, 5 runs outings, so it has to be something less fixable than simple pitch selection.

 

 

Hand with two scoreless innings today.  Somewhere, Vince is having a meltdown. #cultureoflosing

 

 

Hand with two scoreless innings today.  Somewhere, Vince is having a meltdown. #cultureoflosing

 

I bet Hand would be much better out of the pen. He'd be better than Breslow but Breslow will get the roster spot because he's old, a.k.a experienced. 

 

 

pope Benedict doing his job, fixed Hand and Dunn

 

 

Maxwell...

 

 

Maxwell homers  3-2 Cards

 

 

TIE GAME!!!!

 

 

3-3

 

 

Danny Black is going by Dan this year.  How do you think it will affect his chances of making the team?

 

I wouldn't bet it all on Black.

 

 

I wouldn't bet it all on Black.

 

FRanky, I don't give a Dan

 

 

Come on Bearclaw

 

 

let see how pitching staff do in spring training games i hope we do have better rotation if jose dont  get hurt rest pitcher  too

 

 

Danny Black is going by Dan this year.  How do you think it will affect his chances of making the team?

 

brown-nosing wanting to match his name to the manager

 

 

4-3 Cards on a wild pitch

 

 

Come on. Win this!