http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/05/24/the-marlins-have-sued-at-least-nine-season-ticket-holders-and-vendors/

 

what?

 

 

Well, if it began with Miami New Times, then don't put too much stock into it.

 

 

It's pretty ridiculous they just are going straight to court with these people who have given them thousands upon thousands for years but what exactly has the stadium failed to deliver?

 

 

I feel like the New Times has run some version of this story before.

 

 

They are suing them for breach of contract aren't they? What's wrong with that?

 

 

Yeah, odds are they tried to handle it privately and these people weren't interested in working with them.

 

 

Loria making grandiose promises and failing to deliver....who can believe that??!?!?

 

Did the team ever get their chartered luxury airliner?

 

 

The Miami new times has always attempted to paint anything the Marlins do in a negative light to perpetuate the "it's cool to hate the Marlins" idiocy that is common in some circles in Miami. The person who wrote that article apparently either knows nothing about the law or just wants to bash the Marlins. I guarantee you the lease agreement with the vendors does not say "in consideration for the provision by the Marlins of large crowds". If it was used during negotiations then the vendor took a gamble by entering into the agreement and it didn't work out. The Marlins are most certainly in the right here. And I'm not a typical loria defender but it's simple contract law dating back to British common law. 

 

 

It's clear to me that the Marlins FO was expecting much higher attendance than they have been getting since 2012. For example, you can't tell me that they were expecting 2014 season to average only 21,000 fans/game when they cut the ribbon.

 

It seems completely plausible to me that the Marlins radically overestimated attendance in the new ballpark and made all kinds of promises, especially to vendors. I'm guessing they were referring to Sir Pizza, which has disappeared from the ballpark.

 

 

For what it's worth, the Marlins's attendance numbers in the last couple of seasons really are not any higher than they were in 2011, the last season in the old park. They are only a tiny bit higher. I suppose the Marlins are pocketing more money because they are out of the bad lease agreement, but that's still really embarrassing.

 

 

I still fail to see how the fish are in the wrong here in terms of these lawsuits 

 

 

I still fail to see how the fish are in the wrong here in terms of these lawsuits 

 

It's hard to say either way without knowing the facts. I'm just saying that I could totally see the Marlins making a lot of verbal promises about attendance. Kind of like when they told Reyes to buy a house.

 

 

A contract is a contract and from the sound of it, these people signed contracts and then tried to back out.

 

 

It's clear to me that the Marlins FO was expecting much higher attendance than they have been getting since 2012. For example, you can't tell me that they were expecting 2014 season to average only 21,000 fans/game when they cut the ribbon.

 

It seems completely plausible to me that the Marlins radically overestimated attendance in the new ballpark and made all kinds of promises, especially to vendors. I'm guessing they were referring to Sir Pizza, which has disappeared from the ballpark.

 

Unless it's in the written contract it doesn't matter. I also find it comical that anyone "expected" higher attendance considering how horrendous the team has been since 2012 when the stadium opened. 

 

 

It's hard to say either way without knowing the facts. I'm just saying that I could totally see the Marlins making a lot of verbal promises about attendance. Kind of like when they told Reyes to buy a house.

 

Verbal promises that induce someone to sign a contract are not actionable unless the person making them knew or should have known the statement to be false and made it anyway. A projection like future attendance is not something that's easy to quantify because it's merely a projection. Team did nothing wrong here. These people and vendors violated a contract and they should have to pay their liability. 

 

Not saying it to defend the team but it annoys me that the media ignores the law to take cheap shots at the Marlins. Furthermore. I've always though sir pizza is terrible and overrated from the first time I ever had it in key biscayne. 

 

 

Verbal promises that induce someone to sign a contract are not actionable unless the person making them knew or should have known the statement to be false and made it anyway. A projection like future attendance is not something that's easy to quantify because it's merely a projection. Team did nothing wrong here. These people and vendors violated a contract and they should have to pay their liability. Not saying it to defend the team but it annoys me that the media ignores the law to take cheap shots at the Marlins. Furthermore. I've always though sir pizza is terrible and overrated from the first time I ever had it in key biscayne. 

Couldn't agree more... including about sir pizza. Well put.

 

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Verbal promises that induce someone to sign a contract are not actionable unless the person making them knew or should have known the statement to be false and made it anyway. A projection like future attendance is not something that's easy to quantify because it's merely a projection. Team did nothing wrong here. These people and vendors violated a contract and they should have to pay their liability. 

 

Trying to explain that to @Das Texan but like so many blind Loria haters he just is running with the headline and ignoring that. I expect more from a guy who works with contracts but his blind hate knows no bounds.

 

 

Most of the lawsuits are ongoing (the Marlins won final judgments in two of them, and Turnberry mediated a settlement in its case)

 

They'll win the majority of them probably.

 

 

Trying to explain that to @Das Texan but like so many blind Loria haters he just is running with the headline and ignoring that. I expect more from a guy who works with contracts but his blind hate knows no bounds.

Huh?

 

I simply said I see fans are suing the Marlins. Marlins made some promises to season ticket holders that they later took away. They essentially breached the contract and then sue the season ticket holders for doing the same after the contract was already breached. Fun.

 

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The comments posted on that article are mind numbingly ignorant. But such is the norm of reactionary posting for the sole purpose of spewing nonsense. 1.6 billion for the stadium. Right.

 

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Total value of bonds.

 

He's worth at least that

 

 

Total value of bonds.

Maybe the value on the market but the debt the county is on the hook for is 592MM.

 

 

Unless it's in the written contract it doesn't matter. I also find it comical that anyone "expected" higher attendance considering how horrendous the team has been since 2012 when the stadium opened. 

 

I'm not saying that any verbal contracts are legally binding. But we don't know what the terms of the contract were.

 

The Marlins habitually overestimate their attendance figures and quality of the team, so don't act surprised.

 

 

While I agree that some of those people are not going to win because they signed a contract, it's pretty clear that the Marlins severely overestimated their success at this ballpark even prior to day one. They used that to sucker some people into deals that were not worth what those people thought it would be.

 

By the way, still waiting on those stadium naming rights that they keep saying are coming 'any day now'...

 

 

While I agree that some of those people are not going to win because they signed a contract, it's pretty clear that the Marlins severely overestimated their success at this ballpark even prior to day one. They used that to sucker some people into deals that were not worth what those people thought it would be.

 

By the way, still waiting on those stadium naming rights that they keep saying are coming 'any day now'...

 

I agree. I'm not necessarily saying that the Marlins's legal claims are unfounded (but we don't know that the contracts stipulate anyway), but it seems like the Marlins were potentially unethical in the ways that they baited vendors and season ticket holders.

 

It's pretty telling about how the number of Marlins tickets have dwindled on Stubhub since 2012-2013. A lot of people didn't renew their plans when they realized that the tickets were not a hot commodity.