SilverBullet Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Jeter and Sherman plan to keep payroll down in 2019 as well but want to start raising it in 2020 if they can start increasing revenue by then... http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article184371948.html ...if the team is losing so much money now, I don't see how they can increase revenue within 2 years with anything other than on-field success. This could be a rough ride for a while.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Yep if fan support isn't there, it won't go up. With G being traded and wins unlikely, fan support will likely not be there.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 So they're going to cut payroll by trading fan favorites, putting a team that will lose a lot of games and then expect the fans to increase attendance and revenue so they can then increase payroll?!? I already can't wait for the next owners!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 If payroll increasing is dependent on revenue which is dependent on attendance then they'll need to find a way to increase attendance before they can create a winning product on the field and that's where I'm lost on their plan.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 If payroll increasing is dependent on revenue which is dependent on attendance then they'll need to find a way to increase attendance before they can create a winning product on the field and that's where I'm lost on their plan.  Winning is not necessarily a function of payroll. If they build the team the right way like the cubs, astros, yankees, etc, they will have a very good, young, consistent winning, cost controlled team, and that is really all fans want. This team can trade away everyone, if it leads to a winning team fans will come out.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Winning is not necessarily a function of payroll. If they build the team the right way like the cubs, astros, yankees, etc, they will have a very good, young, consistent winning, cost controlled team, and that is really all fans want. This team can trade away everyone, if it leads to a winning team fans will come out. He knows that but they won't have a winning club in 2018 and likely not in 2019 either so attendance will be poor  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 He knows that but they won't have a winning club in 2018 and likely not in 2019 either so attendance will be poor We'll obviously have to see what we get for this sell off, but I think this next year will be poor by design, with some signs of really good young talent both at the major and minor league level if we get the market value in this sell off. Then, I think 2019, again obviously depending on how good of value they get for guys like Ozuna, Straily, Stanton, Bour, etc, could be a year where we hover either just below or just above .500, and then if we do it right 2020 should be a year where we start upticking towards playoff contention.   I think this is a situation that is much better than those were to start for the cubs, white sox, astros, etc. This can be done right and can be done in a way in which we dont spend a prolonged amount of time in number 1 pick territory. Whether we do it right remains to be seen, but I dont think there is any doubt we have much more talent on the roster than any of those teams started with.  I think baseball is the one sport that if you stick to that rebuilding philosophy and do it right, you will end up seeing positive dividends. NFL is very hard to rebuild because it is so QB dependent, and the NBA is so lottery pick oriented, but in MLB it is pretty much guaranteed that if you get the most for your assets at the start of a rebuild (of which we have much more than the typical rebuilding team), invest in the draft, IFA and player development, and stick to the plan, you will see dividends in the course of 2-3 years. I think we have a lot of good assets that we can get significant prospects for, and if we couple that with proper draft and IFA investment, this will be one of the brighter teams in 2-3 years. As much as it sucks for fans like us though, we need to realize that doing that is the right thing to do. I know its tough to ask for 2-3 more playoffless years, but just think of the positive of having a consistent contender like other rebuilding teams if this is done right.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiwanmarlin Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Winning is not necessarily a function of payroll. If they build the team the right way like the cubs, astros, yankees, etc, they will have a very good, young, consistent winning, cost controlled team, and that is really all fans want. This team can trade away everyone, if it leads to a winning team fans will come out. This team can trade away everyone  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 This team can trade away everyone Im pro doing this. Except Yelich. Everyone else, including JT realmuto if he gets you an Adam Eaton type package, can go.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 You just agreed with me @fish20, I said they won't have a good team in 2018. Whether its by design or not, that's the point. If fans there only care about wins, then the attendance won't be there regardless of the plan.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiwanmarlin Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 If payroll increasing is dependent on revenue which is dependent on attendance then they'll need to find a way to increase attendance before they can create a winning product on the field and that's where I'm lost on their plan.  The only way to increase attendance in this ballpark was by playing football over there.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 You just agreed with me @fish20, I said they won't have a good team in 2018. Whether its by design or not, that's the point. If fans there only care about wins, then the attendance won't be there regardless of the plan. i was agreeing with you, just expounding on the point. They just cant care about attendance for a year and a half or so. If they do it right, the benefits of a rebuild should be seen/felt in a year and a half or so. I know its hard for new owners to not care about that for a year and a half, but thats what they have to do if they want to do it right.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 More proof of incompetence. According to the herald article, they believe attendance will rise because Jeter is more popular than Loria.  This is why someone from Miami needed to buy this team.  They better draft really well because Jeter could cure cancer and Miami won't give a shit unless he can field a consistently competitive team.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmg42 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 More proof of incompetence. According to the herald article, they believe attendance will rise because Jeter is more popular than Loria.  This is why someone from Miami needed to buy this team.  They better draft really well because Jeter could cure cancer and Miami won't give a shit unless he can field a consistently competitive team.  That’s the dumbest thing ever. We’ve been down this road before, with John Henry. He was such a baseball fan, and much more popular than Huizenga, and we had high hopes. Then he refused to keep players and came within a hair - a Loria decision to move to Florida rather than stay in Montreal - of getting us moved to Washington. Jeter was a great player, but if they do any of this I’m an ex-season ticket holder. They didn’t exactly treat us that great anyway and it’s not like tickets won’t be available at Dollar Store prices most days.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I am very surprised that it was reported that the Marlins were only expecting $40-70 million a year in a new TV deal.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fauowls44 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The most comparable recent TV deals are probably the Twins (12 years $480 million in 2012) and Indians (10 years/$400 million in 2013). The Reds signed a new 15 year deal last year, but I haven't been able to find the amount online...but based on the Indians and Twins deals signed 5 years ago, it's safe to assume the Marlins deal will at least be a minimum of $40 million. Given the market size, I don't think getting more than that is an unreasonable expectation.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Why? That's similar to what most MLB teams are getting in their deals. I dont think so. If I recall correctly, some teams are getting more than $100 million. I believe the Dodgers get about $330 million a year.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 I dont think so. If I recall correctly, some teams are getting more than $100 million. I believe the Dodgers get about $330 million a year.  Dodgers are the exception I believe.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_gmac Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Dodgers fans needs to pay an extra package in their TV sub to be able to watch Dodgers game on their TV set.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 Dodgers fans needs to pay an extra package in their TV sub to be able to watch Dodgers game on their TV set.  I heard you've paid for an extra package more than a few times.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 That's because the Dodgers have 100% ownership of their network whereas the Marlins have 0%. The Marlins will not remotely get close to $300+ million annually. It's most likely going to fall within the $40-60 range, but probably on the lower end. The majority if not all of the TV revenue just goes directly to the team right? We may be on the lower end but at this point it seems like any increase of revenue there will help.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 The majority if not all of the TV revenue just goes directly to the team right? We may be on the lower end but at this point it seems like any increase of revenue there will help.  Yeah we got shafted on the last TV deal.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 Yeah we got shafted on the last TV deal. We did? Then why does everyone say our last TV deal was a bad thing?   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 If we were going to run the organization the way it was run before, we wouldn’t have bought it. Quote from Jeter today. This should be pinned to the top of the forums here.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 We did? Then why does everyone say our last TV deal was a bad thing?  that's what shafted means...  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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