odds are good with enough guys with solid numbers in the minor leagues, we should be at worst .500.

 

 

Remember this winter when some people wanted to sign Yu Darvish [ATTACH]2109._xfImport[/ATTACH]

 

Remember this winter when some people wanted to sign Yu Darvish 

 

Would've been an exciting signing!

 

 

Would've been an exciting signing!

 

Is there a trophy for winning the offseason?

 

 

Would've been an exciting signing!

 

The “sign” young award

 

 

He hasn’t even been the owner for a year yet and it was always going to be a long term project. Expecting immediate results or even signs of results is ignorant of the plan.  Look back at his first 5 years in 2023 and then make a fair assessment.

 

2023?

 

 

The whole point is, we all have to wait and see what happens. It may work or it may fail. Saying with absolute certainty that it failed is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. If anyone said it'll definitely work, I'd say that is just as ridiculous.

 

Obviously I don't know if It'll work out or not, but nothing so far, except for the trade for signing money, has me excited. I just think the whole premise of this thread is ridiculous. We're far from knowing whether our pitching is any good.

 

 

if 4 of Schales, Diaz, Harrison, Twine, Miller, Brinson, can become consistent major league bats. Then we'll be fine bats wise.

 

And pitching wise, we have a lot of guys who still have a huge variable margin of how good they are going to be. No clear can't miss guys, but a lot of guys with good stuff and very interesting potential. Yamamoto for example, killing double A, and has a plus pitch or two. Neidart has yet to falter this year. I'm not saying either of these guys, or any of a number of other guys are going to be aces, but a 22 year old pitching well at double A, has a lot of potential.

 

I’m 98% sure you’re being sarcastic.

 

Schales and Twine? 

 

 

The only player from the list of guys we traded that should've commanded a "Jose/Stanton/Yelich" type of player (lmao for including Morrison in that list, might as well include Hermida) is Yelich. Brinson's preseason rankings are in line with where Yelich was the year he was promoted.

 

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I should say Welcome back. What was your old username before you came back as someone else to disguise your agenda?

 

 

Remember this winter when some people wanted to sign Yu Darvish [ATTACH]2109[/ATTACH]

 

A maximum of 3 people on this entire board were in favor of signing Yu Darvish. 

 

Maximum. 

 

 

IF YOU DON’T GIVE DEREK JETER A FULL FIVE SEASONS BEFORE YOU MAKE AN ASSESSMENT YOU’RE AN ULTRA NEGATIVE TROLL

 

FIVE FULL YEARS

 

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article215848275.html

 

MLB scout sizes up Marlins’ young position players and prospects

 

 

A maximum of 3 people on this entire board were in favor of signing Yu Darvish. 

 

Maximum. 

 

I’m not just talking about this board. Last December it was a thing said by people that don’t follow the team on a daily basis but whom like to crawl out to complain when it’s the occasion.  

 

But to your point there were three people in this thread alone that wanted him 

 

 

 

Or maybe I’m remembering Das guy

 

 

 

then again Taiwan has quite a whisper campaign going which may have inflated the apparent buzz

 

 

 

Sorry to turn this into bad takes exposed. Not my point. The point is that I’m not crazy and that opinion was popular enough to have a following.  

 

Aside from that going back to the point of this post we need bats and arms.  That’s why the team decided to start from scratch to begin with. You don’t fix the shitstorm the marlins organization were last year in 12 months.  

 

 

2023?

 

Typically it’s a five year plan. I expect them to compete before then but maybe they won’t. Maybe they never will. Either way I think evaluating the work after 5 years is fair.

 

 

Aside from that going back to the point of this post we need bats and arms.  That’s why the team decided to start from scratch to begin with. You don’t fix the shitstorm the marlins organization were last year in 12 months.  

 

This is the point some keep missing. They weren’t a winning team in the majors and they had zero depth in the minors. Why keep trying the same exact thing with the same exact roster? 

 

And no the two magical pitchers that would’ve turned last year’s roster into a contender did not exist before that tired  argument reappears.

 

 

This is the point some keep missing. They weren’t a winning team in the majors and they had zero depth in the minors. Why keep trying the same exact thing with the same exact roster? 

 

And no the two magical pitchers that would’ve turned last year’s roster into a contender did not exist before that tired  argument reappears.

 

I think it’s also worth pointing out that even the most staunch supporters of the offseason change in direction are hesitant about  Jeter being the one heading up the operation.  I’m all for doing something different.   Would Jeter be my first choice to be in charge?  No. But We didn’t have a choice in that.  He is who we got and there is a clear change in philosophy which is better than continuing to do things the way they had been.  

 

 

Typically it’s a five year plan. I expect them to compete before then but maybe they won’t. Maybe they never will. Either way I think evaluating the work after 5 years is fair.

 

It's 2020,the year we started to play the "meaningful games".

 

 

This is the point some keep missing. They weren’t a winning team in the majors and they had zero depth in the minors. Why keep trying the same exact thing with the same exact roster? 

 

And no the two magical pitchers that would’ve turned last year’s roster into a contender did not exist before that tired  argument reappears.

 

I went to the Marlins season ticket holder event on Saturday before the game and Michael Hill said pretty much the same thing (about the system being broken last year, goal is to build depth throughout the organization, etc.).  That all sounds fine, but it would sound better coming from someone new in the GM role.  How can Hill be the guy to turn it around when he has some responsibility for breaking it?

 

 

That all sounds fine, but it would sound better coming from someone new in the GM role.  How can Hill be the guy to turn it around when he has some responsibility for breaking it?

 

We don't know how much of an influence Loria had on those bad moves though. A lot of times Loria demanded money back in deals and that would tie Hill''s hands. It has been reported that Loria is the one who pushed for the Cashner trade. He also was the one who wanted to sign Tazawa and Ziegler along with extending Prado -- all against the front office's wishes reportedly.

 

I don't think Hill is a good GM so I am not trying to defend him, but at the same time -- we have to factor in Loria's work in a lot of the moves.

 

 

I didn't like Loria but it is probably unfair to paint him as the bogeyman.  What I see now is people blaming him for overspending and bad deals that left the minor league system depleted.  But he was also blamed throughout his tenure for fire sales and refusing to spend money.  Maybe he was just a bad baseball guy.  But Hill worked for him for many years so I'm not sure how to separate the two.

 

 

I didn't like Loria but it is probably unfair to paint him as the bogeyman.  What I see now is people blaming him for overspending and bad deals that left the minor league system depleted.  But he was also blamed throughout his tenure for fire sales and refusing to spend money.  Maybe he was just a bad baseball guy.  But Hill worked for him for many years so I'm not sure how to separate the two.

 

It isn't a boogeyman case with the specific ones I mentioned. If he influenced those, odds are he influenced others that weren't mentioned or reported.

 

 

There’s no clear answer to why Hill survived the transition into the new front office.  In his interviews between the winter meetings and Opening Day Derek Jeter took a very defensive tone (not surprisingly).  It also reflected in his body language and eye contact with the people asking him questions.  This wasn’t surprising.  He had no experience whatsoever and he came in and did some very unpopular things.  I kind of expected this to change over time and it still may.  Not that he does a ton of public speaking but the few chances I’ve seen him interviewed since the season started he has remained in this defensive position.

 

Maybe that is just how he is, but I feel like this is indicative of a person that is so accustomed to praise and accolades taking on something very big and becoming quite uncomfortable with criticism.  The guy owns a piece of the team so this can only end one of two ways 1) the club succeeds and everyone is happy or 2) it fails and he manufactures some reason why he can’t take on such a large baseball operations role and they hire someone else.  He’s not selling his share of the club.  I can’t imagine Bruce Sherman asking him to hire someone else.  Gary Denbo has the best job security of anyone in that department because he’s the one giving Jeter any sort of credibility.  I don’t think Michael Hill is some super-important transition piece to bridge eras.  I think it is entirely possible that he saved his job by saying all the right things when the club changed hands (in other words he ratted out Loria & Co. and came across as believable), but I also think it is possible that if things don’t progress as planned then he gives Jeter another fall guy to effectively extend his own time for getting things in order.  If he came in and cleaned house entirely then there are no more fall guys left.  He’s like a built in escape plan in the event Bruce Sherman knocks on Jeter’s door in a couple years ready to ring his neck.

 

 

He’s like a built in escape plan in the event Bruce Sherman knocks on Jeter’s door in a couple years ready to ring his neck.

 

I hadn't thought of this but it makes a lot of sense.

 

 

There’s no clear answer to why Hill survived the transition into the new front office.  In his interviews between the winter meetings and Opening Day Derek Jeter took a very defensive tone (not surprisingly).  It also reflected in his body language and eye contact with the people asking him questions.  This wasn’t surprising.  He had no experience whatsoever and he came in and did some very unpopular things.  I kind of expected this to change over time and it still may.  Not that he does a ton of public speaking but the few chances I’ve seen him interviewed since the season started he has remained in this defensive position.

 

Maybe that is just how he is, but I feel like this is indicative of a person that is so accustomed to praise and accolades taking on something very big and becoming quite uncomfortable with criticism.  The guy owns a piece of the team so this can only end one of two ways 1) the club succeeds and everyone is happy or 2) it fails and he manufactures some reason why he can’t take on such a large baseball operations role and they hire someone else.  He’s not selling his share of the club.  I can’t imagine Bruce Sherman asking him to hire someone else.  Gary Denbo has the best job security of anyone in that department because he’s the one giving Jeter any sort of credibility.  I don’t think Michael Hill is some super-important transition piece to bridge eras.  I think it is entirely possible that he saved his job by saying all the right things when the club changed hands (in other words he ratted out Loria & Co. and came across as believable), but I also think it is possible that if things don’t progress as planned then he gives Jeter another fall guy to effectively extend his own time for getting things in order.  If he came in and cleaned house entirely then there are no more fall guys left.  He’s like a built in escape plan in the event Bruce Sherman knocks on Jeter’s door in a couple years ready to ring his neck.

 

I've always thought Hill would just be here in a transition mode this year - a guy who knew what was in the system while ownership took over and made changes elsewhere.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a change happen this offseason (though it could be the next).

 

When the Dodgers were sold, they kept Colleti for a couple of years before bringing in "their" guy.

 

 

How can Hill be the guy to turn it around when he has some responsibility for breaking it?

 

This is absolutely a valid question and criticism. The best answer I can give you is an analogy of a race car driver who has never won a race but is eventually given a new and better car and finally wins the race. While the driver has a great responsibility in winning the race, sometimes providing the same driver with better tools/assests/resources/support will allow that driver to finally get the job done.