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Yes cause OF is more of a position of need for us than 1B, Encarnacion, Pierre, and Conine will be free agents next year, and Aguila has showed already he can hit AA, AAA pitching (and really doesn't belong in the minors) while Stokes can't hit either.

Affeldt isnt even all that ... he came up with such promise but hasnt lived up to it, and honestly I dont think he ever will. why would KC ask for such a stud for him, who do they think he is I agree 100% with you. I wouldn't give up Aguila, Williangham or any top prospect in the system. I'll give up Stokes though.

If we wouldn't have dealt with a division rival in 2002 we would only have 1 championship ring. The Floyd trade got us Mordecai, Levinski, Wayne, Lloyd, Pavano. Mordecai helped us quite a bit, Pavano help us alot in 2003 and the following season, and Levinski helped us get Conine. If the Nationals want to get Lowell or Encarnacion and are offering the best package I say we make te trade. I don't why they are interested in either though. I'll make the rumor Day for Encarnacion deal in a heartbeat.

I would do Marlins Get: Jose Contreras Brandon McCarthy Mark Sweeney Damaso Marte White Sox Get: Mike Lowell A.J Burnett maybe a prospect Why I make this trade? Contreras steps right in for us, he's is a pretty good pitcher, and we will only have to pay him 6 mil next year and after that he's a free agent..(he's gonna make 8 but as part of the trade between yanks and sox yank's agree to pay 2 mil) McCathy is not quite ready yet but has lots of potential and is only 21-22. Sweeney might not hit for much power yet but projects to and he's only 19-20 and already in AA. He has good strike zone already. Not much to say about Marte he is a very good reliver and he's a lefty. I don't think the White Sox make this trade though cause that is a pretty steep price to pay for a guy they might lose at the end of the year. On the other hand Ken Williams is known around baseball for overpaying for guys he likes. P.S I would prefer to keep Burnett and just trade Mike Lowell for Jose Contreras straight up and then find a reliver like lets say a Affeldt??? later on

Affeldt has a great arm, and lots of potential but is always on the DL. I'll love to have him on the Marlins if we don't have to give up any top prospects.

I would give up Mike Lowell but they dont have any 3B useful there. Burnett is a no-no, he will help us if we are making a run, Lowell seems to not get out of his slump also! They have Melvin Mora who I would say is better than Lowell and cheaper. The 2 biggest problems on this team are Leiter and Lowell. Leiter is a lost case but atlest this is his last year with the club. Lowell has another 2-3 year left at 8 mil

Im not expecting much out of him or Alfonseca. Do you have any Info on how the followng are doing? Rick Vanden Hurk? Any word on the results of the MRI Lincoln Holdzkom Ronaldo Belizario Tim Spooneybarger

I don't know if he's hurt but he's getting shelled again tonight by a team that Jason Vargas got 11 K's against in 5 INNINGS!!!!!!! With the way he's been pitching lately I'll have to say the Marlin should hold on to him cause he won't net us nothing decent in return. His ERA is getting close to 5 and batters are hitting almost .300 against him.

Vargas the # 3 prospect on my list of our pitching prospects. Im beginning to think he can be useful reliver right now for us in the majors and would hold his on just fine. As for Jackson. He is not the same prospect he was before and im not sure how high the Dodgers are on him but what about a Lowell for Jackson and throw in low tier prospect or contract that runs this year trade?

the package we could get for AJ and Lowell would be pretty big you would think Markakis, Penn, Cabrera, Loewen, Maine, Julio.... a whole mixture of that Id have a hard time being against a trade of Mike Lowell I dont like it still, giving up AJ right now is foolishness. What are we gonna use the Extra cash for though is interesting. It would mean moving Easily into 3B or Cabrera to 3B. Then opening up an outfield spot. But, Istill dont like it. They better be giving up more then just that, there is better deals out there still. I liked the redsox rumor best still. Hanely, Timlin and Aroylo. Filled SS next year, A possible closer this year or setup guy. And A good starter back that is young. IMO adding Lowell and Encarnacion to any deal with Burnett will only decrease Burnett trade value. I believe the Marlins are the one's that are trying to package them together. I hope im wrong but I doubt the Marlins are gonna get anything close to Timlin, Hanley, and Arroyo from the Red Sox at this moment. Our main trade partners at this moment seem to be the Yanks and O's and I prefer the Yank's cause I feel they are more desperate and will be willing to give up more. If the rumors are true that we offered the O's a trade of Burnett, Reed. Encarnacion for Penn or Cabrera, Bigbie(yuck don't know why we need him?), and Jorge Julio(overrated and cracks with pressure only has a fastball) and the O's are the one's that decline it that scares me. For just Burnett im expecting a package of Loewen, Penn, Cabrera, Markakis (2 out of the 4). Anything less I say we keep Burnett and just take the draft picks cause of course he will decline arbritration. Main priority should be to deal Lowell for w/e and use that money to sign Burnett.

Bastante bien? But this is an English forum after all Anyways - we tried to get Fuentes already, Rockies are unusually attached to him (maybe they want to move Preston Wilson along with him since no one will take him willingly), and Gordon is saving the Yankee's ass right now. Him and Mariano ARE the Yankee's bullpen so they won't part with him easily. Don't sell Olsen so short, he has a lot of potential and has shown a lot of poise for such a young kid. I predict he will turn out to be just as green as Penn was for the Orioles but I hope I'm wrong. Zito's a pipe dream, maybe Beinfest can pull it off but thats a big if, especially now that the A's are doing a little better? Thanks Im a big fan of both Olsen and Resop but im not sure either of them are ready yet. We either need to upgrade the pen or rotation. Our hitting I believe can be fix without making any trades I'll we need to do is sit Lowell until he snaps out of it and play Willingham, Conine, Aguila, etc. If we trade Encarnacion he can be replaced just. as well Maybe a trades like this can work out. Fish and Rox Fish Get: CF Preston Wilson RHP Jason Jennings LHP Brain Fuentes Rox 3B Mike Lowell RHP Josh Johnson RHP Yorman Bazardo LHP Adam Bostick We get a starter and reliver and get rid of Lowell salary at the same time. Wilson Contract ends after this season and Fuentes is arbitration eligible next season menaing we keep his rights. Jennings is signed to a contract next season so in case Burnett leaves our rotation can look like this Beckett, Willis, Jennings, Moehler??, Olsen??? Line-Up CF Juan Pierre 2B Luis Castillo 3B Miguel Cabrera 1B Carlos Delgado C Paul Loduca LF Jeff Conine or Preston Wilson or Josh Willingham RF Encarnacion or same as above y? SS Alex Gonzalez Fish and O's trade Fish Get: RHP Jorge Julio O's Get: RF Juan Encarnacion This trade is optional and if anything we can get Wilson from the Rox and just trade him to another team.

Me gustaria cojer a Brain Fuentes de Colorado y o Gordon de los Yank's. En mi opinion si no cojemos a un relevo o dos lo va aser falta un abridor como Zito de calida porque Scot Olsen??? How's my spanish?

Tom Gordon pitched up a storm in Detroit tonight, 2 innings pitched of perfect relief. He's a horse, but I don't know if I'm sold on him - I think our bullpen's doing pretty good atm, and once we get Alfonseca back he would be redundant. Plus, there's already one "Flash" in South Florida If we get Gordon by trading Encarnacion (wet dream) Alfonseca can be a luxury if he comes back healthy and pitching well. I personally have never liked Alfonseca and I have always thought he was overrated. Him and and Looper always made me stand up, get nervous, or get piss at them while watching them pitch. I also don't know how effective he will be when he gets back. Our Bullpen so far. Resop- I like him alot but don't know if he is ready Bump- nothing special but eats inning's we need him. Keeper De los Santos- has been effective so far not sure if he can keep it up. Keeper Mecir- he can only pitch one inning and his # have been opn the decline as of late Mota- Can't handle closing but is one hell of a set-up man. pitching effective lately. keeper Jones- keeper has experience don't see him losing his effectiveness. Keeper IMO our bullpen is not good enough right now and still won't be with Alfonseca coming back.

Like Paul Quantrill, the Yankees have 10 days to trade him. Encarnacion has been hot so hopefully Beinfest won't be that stupid. A trade of Encarnacion for Tom Gordon even is a bad move still. I have to disagree the Marlins will have to be crazy to decline a Encarnacion for Gordon trade and I can't see the Yanks trading Encarnacion for Gordon. Gordon is flat out nasty and would be a closer on most teams. If we acquire him I like our chances of winning games after we are up in the 6th inning. 7 inning The Dodgers Mota we have been seeing lately 8 inning Tom Flash Gordon 9 inning Todd Jones

Enc has been playing well this year, but the fact remains that if we dont trade him, we'll lose him and get nothing more than a draft pick. If a good offer comes up that can help the team in other areas such as the bullpen, then its defintely worth it to shop him around. until then i wish him the best Actually the Marlins likely won't offer arbitration to Encarnacion meaning no draft picks or compensation if we lose him. If offered to him he likely will except it and then we would have to keep him. He will likely get a raise to 6 million through arbitration. Not the case with Burnett cause if we offer it to him he will likely decline it cause he would get more through free-agency meaning we get draft picks for him. The reason the Marlins prefer trading players than getting picks is that you have to pay large signing bonus to get them on your team and they take longer to develop.

I dont know what to think with Allison he didnt exactly light the world on fire in low A(I understand he is building arm strength) Not sure why you have any of the new draftees up there either, but as you said... it's your list I like to see some of you guys list. I added the draft picks cause they deserve to be there over guys like Bostick, Mobley, etc who might have good # but have fringe to below average stuff. I agree Allison # wheren't that impressive but I don't think he was in the best of shape either since he hadn't been really working or pitching to batters in almost 2 years and almost died cause of an overdose.

Like I said its my list and im basing it on potential and what they have done so far. What changes would you make? and don't you think a healthy Jeff Allison and drug free Allison (Hope he stays that way) will put up better # than any of our pitching prospects?

Maverick Posted Today, 08:21 PM what is this based on? On potential and what they have done so far in their brief careers.

My TOP 20 List 1)Jeff Allison 2)Scott Olsen 3)Jason Vargas 4)Jose Garcia 5)Chris Volstad 6)Taylor Tankersly 7)Aaron Thompson 8)Chris Resop 9)Rick Vanden Hurk 10)Yorman Bazardo 11)Jacob Marceaux 12)Josh Johnson 13)Sean West 14)Paul Mildren 15)Logan Kensing 16)Matt Goyen 17)Allen Baxter 18)Ryan Tucker 19)Kyle Winters 20)Kenny Berkenbosch Honorable Mention Kurt Koehler Jon Nickerson Mauro Zarate Randy Messenger Lincoln Holdzkom Ronaldo Belizario Both Holdzkom and Belizario have plus arm's but are rehabbing and have yet to throw a pitch this year. 7/3 Update

Trades I'll make: With Yanks Encarnacion for Sean Henn or Melky Cabrera Encarnacion, Jim Mecir or mid level prospect for Tom Gordon A.J Burnett and Encarnacion for Tom Gordon, Gary Shefield A.J Burnett for Tom Gordon or Eric Duncan, Phillip Hughes Juan Pierre for Tom Gordon or Eric Duncan, Phillip Hughes A.J Burnett, Juan Pierre for Phillip Hughes or Tom Gordon, Sean Henn, Gary Sheifield With O's Mike Lowell for Jorge Julio A.J Burnett for Daniel Cabrera and either Adam Loewen, Hayden Penn, or Nick Markakis A.J Burnett and Juan Encarnacion for Daniel Cabrera, and two of the guys above With Red Sox A.J Burnett for Bronson Arroyo and either Anibal Sanchez or Jon Lester A.J Burnett for Anibal Sanchez and Jon Lester or Brandon Moss

He sure has been so far in his U.S debut. I know he has good control but what pitches does he throw? and how's his velocity?

Jose Garcia continues to dominate in 5 IP he allowed 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks and registered 6 K's.(Low A) Matt Goyen our 3rd round pick made his major league debut today for Jamestown and pitch 4.2 IP allowed 2 hits no walks 1 ER and registered 8 k's

What has happen to David Marchbanks, Pablo Sosa, and Ronaldo Belizario, and Lincoln Holdzkom? The last thing I heard from Marchbanks was that he was having controls problems but he pitched for our Rookie ball Team after that and has yet to pitch this year and Holdzkom appears on theJupiter Hammerheads roster but hasn't pitched yet (I know he had Tommy John 2 years ago maybe rehab). Does anybody know if these guys are still in our minor league system and when they will be making there debuts this year?

Im guessing Matt Goyen has signed to cause he appears on jamestown jammers roster. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/gen/sta...t=t_ros&cid=489 Im hoping the Marlins sign the following Aaron Bates, Chris Leroux, Kyle Marlatt, Logan Morrison, and Matt Jones. Not sure weather Morrison and Jones will sign cause they where late round picks out of high school and might opt to go to college and improve there draft stock. But we should sign Leroux who had Tommy John, (plus fastaball when healthy), Marlatt and Bates who scouts compare to Chris Shelton.

1st Round I like the Chris Voldstad pick but I would have preferred LHP Brian Bogusevic at 22 (Astros at 24) and at 29 RHP Matt Torra (Dbacks 31) or OF John Drennen (Cle 34) although I like Jacob Marceaux especially with the Roy Oswalt comparisons but I saw him more of a supplement 1st cause of his size. Supplement 1st I don't like the Ryan Tucker pick cause I hear he only has a Fastball although he was rated as having the 3 best fastball among high school pitchers in the nation by baseball america. He is still young and has a chance of developing hs others pitches but i would have prefered a more sure thing at that spot like a Jacob Marceaux. Other high school pitchers I liked more at that spot where Tyler Herron from Florida (Cards 46) and Michael Bowden(Boston 47). I like the Sean West pick he is a workhorse already who hits 91-92 already and has potential to increase his velocity(6-8) cause of his age and height. 2nd Round Im okay with it if they use Kris Harvey as a hitter but if they are gonna use him as a pitcher I would have prefered Josh Wall who I think will become a stud(Dodgers 74). Scouts compare him to A.J Burnett has a low 90's fastaball and a good curve and has room to gain more velocity (height 6-6) has potential to become an Ace. I would have been tempted to take him in the supplemental 1st and 2nd I believe its a must if they where looking for pitching. Supplemental 2nd I like the Brett Hayes pick. IMO best catching prospect in our farm system already considering Josh Williangham ain't considered a catcher more a UT,OF. Thats my point of view on the Draft the Marlins. (First 2 rounds only) I like the 5th and 8th round picks the Marlins made alot as well.