Fish Fillet Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 In the last couple of weeks as the Fish performed poorly I've noticed that almost every thread that contains the whole negative -v- positive arguement eventually devolves into assertions that someone is a "Bandwagoner" for criticizing some aspect of the Marlins' performance. This has really turned into a pet peeve of mine. For all of you who throw this term out as a deragatory accusation, please tell me what a "Bandwagoner" is exactly? Am I a bandwagon fan b/c I only attend 10 games a year, while you attend 30? Are you a bandwagon fan b/c you've only got the mini-pack of season tickets, while some other guy has the whole 81 game package? And although it seems like I may be the only one with the following opinion, I'll let it fly... The very people you negatively call bandwagon fans are the very lifeblood of professional sports in general, and of your Florida Marlins in particular. You think you'd be talking about a new stadium, or signing free agents, or anything else if it weren't for the casual fan who now goes to a couple games b/c the team is competitive, or who buys a jersey b/c it's cool now? If it weren't for this plague of bandwagon fans you'd soon be sitting around debating whether or not the Dolphins are going to make changes to their 2nd string punt-return unit or watching the Braves on TBS and wondering "what if?" If you disagree with an opinion posted then respond and refute with statisitcal evidence and/or informed opinion, not weak, 4th grade name-calling. It's time to start seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak. And the next time you, as the "die-hard", "true" fan goes to the Pro and sits your carcass in a seat to watch a game, instead of bemoaning the fact that someone is a bandwagoner because they can't regurgitate Charlie Hough's 1993 WHIP number from memory, or because they don't always blindy follow the Marlins, maybe you should thank him/her for being a casual bandwagoner who is helping to create the public sentiment/attendance revenue that allows you to be able to watch a game in person without driving to Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 In the short time since I've discovered this site, that is the best post I've read!!! :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzie Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyofCangelosi Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Great post, I totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiRi Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 In the last couple of weeks as the Fish performed poorly I've noticed that almost every thread that contains the whole negative -v- positive arguement eventually devolves into assertions that someone is a "Bandwagoner" for criticizing some aspect of the Marlins' performance. This has really turned into a pet peeve of mine. For all of you who throw this term out as a deragatory accusation, please tell me what a "Bandwagoner" is exactly? Am I a bandwagon fan b/c I only attend 10 games a year, while you attend 30? Are you a bandwagon fan b/c you've only got the mini-pack of season tickets, while some other guy has the whole 81 game package? And although it seems like I may be the only one with the following opinion, I'll let it fly... The very people you negatively call bandwagon fans are the very lifeblood of professional sports in general, and of your Florida Marlins in particular. You think you'd be talking about a new stadium, or signing free agents, or anything else if it weren't for the casual fan who now goes to a couple games b/c the team is competitive, or who buys a jersey b/c it's cool now? If it weren't for this plague of bandwagon fans you'd soon be sitting around debating whether or not the Dolphins are going to make changes to their 2nd string punt-return unit or watching the Braves on TBS and wondering "what if?" If you disagree with an opinion posted then respond and refute with statisitcal evidence and/or informed opinion, not weak, 4th grade name-calling. It's time to start seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak. And the next time you, as the "die-hard", "true" fan goes to the Pro and sits your carcass in a seat to watch a game, instead of bemoaning the fact that someone is a bandwagoner because they can't regurgitate Charlie Hough's 1993 WHIP number from memory, or because they don't always blindy follow the Marlins, maybe you should thank him/her for being a casual bandwagoner who is helping to create the public sentiment/attendance revenue that allows you to be able to watch a game in person without driving to Tampa. Beautiful! Just beautiful! :notworthy Fish Fillet should be crowned as King for a Day. :king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I don't agree with Fish Fillet most of the time, but he is right on the money on this one. :thumbup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishfan25 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 In the last couple of weeks as the Fish performed poorly I've noticed that almost every thread that contains the whole negative -v- positive arguement eventually devolves into assertions that someone is a "Bandwagoner" for criticizing some aspect of the Marlins' performance. This has really turned into a pet peeve of mine. For all of you who throw this term out as a deragatory accusation, please tell me what a "Bandwagoner" is exactly? Am I a bandwagon fan b/c I only attend 10 games a year, while you attend 30? Are you a bandwagon fan b/c you've only got the mini-pack of season tickets, while some other guy has the whole 81 game package? And although it seems like I may be the only one with the following opinion, I'll let it fly... The very people you negatively call bandwagon fans are the very lifeblood of professional sports in general, and of your Florida Marlins in particular. You think you'd be talking about a new stadium, or signing free agents, or anything else if it weren't for the casual fan who now goes to a couple games b/c the team is competitive, or who buys a jersey b/c it's cool now? If it weren't for this plague of bandwagon fans you'd soon be sitting around debating whether or not the Dolphins are going to make changes to their 2nd string punt-return unit or watching the Braves on TBS and wondering "what if?" If you disagree with an opinion posted then respond and refute with statisitcal evidence and/or informed opinion, not weak, 4th grade name-calling. It's time to start seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak. And the next time you, as the "die-hard", "true" fan goes to the Pro and sits your carcass in a seat to watch a game, instead of bemoaning the fact that someone is a bandwagoner because they can't regurgitate Charlie Hough's 1993 WHIP number from memory, or because they don't always blindy follow the Marlins, maybe you should thank him/her for being a casual bandwagoner who is helping to create the public sentiment/attendance revenue that allows you to be able to watch a game in person without driving to Tampa. :deal great great post. i am not a bandwagoner never have never will. i love the marlins even if i do only attend like 10 games a year. i watch all the games on tv when i do not go. when i get a car and some good " loot " i am gonna try to go as many games as i can. future season ticket holder. :deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g8trz2003 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 yah bandwagoners are what keeps baseball (and all sports) alive, but it doesn't mean I have to like them. If I hear some douchebag at a game saying something retarded because he doesn't know sh*t about the Marlins, I'm not gonna turn around and thank him for coming out to the game and being a new supporter of the team. Hell no! If I say anything, it's gonna be, "What the HELL are you talking about, sir?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickGold Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Fish Fillet laying it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djm305 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 The bottom line is "Bandwagon" fans in South Florida are the worst. They do not support their team unless they are in FIRST PLACE, or in the playoffs. Now that's great, when then Marlins are in fact in First Place (playing well) or in the playoffs. I think ANY sports franchise can expect increased attedance for those situations. Hell ANY market can succeed if those were the conditions year in and year out. But the FACT is this is baseball, a very competetive sport. The Marlins may miss the playoffs this year ALL-TOGETHER and most of those "Bandwagon" fans won't even give the Marlins a second thought. A team cannot survive if the majority of it's fan base is dependant on that. This year managment has done all they can to give us a competitive a team. Yes, there are some moves or non-moves that could have been made to better this team even more. But we won a WORLD SERIES last year and now that we are playing poorly as a team we are back to getting 12K fans per night? I know the weekends will probably bring about 20K but that is just unnaccetable. If we get a new BallPark I really have my doubts about being able to field a competitve team, I just don't see these "Bandwagon" fans filling the seats unless we are in FIRST PLACE or in the playoffs every year.... NOT LIKELY. EDIT: To add to my post. I can understand if the FO totally screws the FANs like in 98, I can understand that. But when the FO does all it can in the situation they are in to give us a GOOD team and the "FANS" turn their back on them at the first sign of trouble. PATHETIC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Nice cover lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff#1 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 *voice of reason steps in* yes i agree some what with you about bandwagoners yet in my opinion there are two types of bandwagoners. The first are the ones you explained that are casual fans that attend a couple games cause we are competetive and buy the jerseys cause its the "in thing". then theres the fools we have been having on the boards lately which when something goes wrong just say the seasons over and we should get ready for next year and this team sucks and all that BS. Those are the true bandwagoners who give up on the team so easy cause they really dont know much about baseball and are the true bandwagoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playattheplate Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Oh my God! I think I've just died and gone to heaven! Is that your picture Fish Fillet! Are those mature, objective words coming out of your mouth? On this board! You better be careful! If you are a Marlins Fan, you can't be an objective Marlins fan! Not here! You must agree with everyone else! OR...you risk having your fanatacism questioned! They love that 'round here! My thinking is, if your on this board! you probably are a Marlins Fan! (Sounds like the Redneck jokes!) ou know what I mean? Why would you be on the marlinsbaseball.com messages boards a lot if you weren't! For example: If someone who lives down in South Miami, can't make the trip to the Pro every night, and watch them on tv, and root just as hard and love the Marlins...does that make them not a fan? Of course not Just like the people in north Broward or Palm Beach who won't make the trip as often, if the new ballpark is constructed further south in Dade then where it is now. Will that make them not a Fan?? Of course not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 yah bandwagoners are what keeps baseball (and all sports) alive, but it doesn't mean I have to like them. If I hear some douchebag at a game saying something retarded because he doesn't know sh*t about the Marlins, I'm not gonna turn around and thank him for coming out to the game and being a new supporter of the team. Hell no! If I say anything, it's gonna be, "What the HELL are you talking about, sir?" Where is the bandwagon now? I'm not surprised that we're getting like 12k on weeknights, but it isn't good. I love hearing bandwagoners talk behind me at games. Last year, some dude was saying that Dontrelle Willis was Dominican (and this was like his 8th start) and I can't count how many times I've heard stupid comments this season, like people saying Hee Seop Choi is Chinese or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nielsosky Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 In my mind, the single most disgraceful fan is the one that starts wearing his Marlins jersey when they win the World Series, and then decides to become a basketball fan instead when the Fish drop out of the division. I can't say I care for fans that become Marlins fans when the go to the playoffs. A true fan is any fan that has stuck with the Marlins through slumps and losing season. Lots of people can't make many games because of their schedule or residence, but they can still be a true fan. A true fan in my mind is some one that sticks with their team no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I really don't care either way. I know I'm a fan no matter what, so why should I care about other people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playattheplate Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 If you disagree with an opinion posted then respond and refute with statisitcal evidence and/or informed opinion, not weak, 4th grade name-calling. It's time to start seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak. Oh my God! I think I'm in love!! "You and I, follow to the beat of a different drum", "Ohh don't get me wrong, it's not that imm bad baala la, "-I'm singing that Linda Ronstadt song, "You can't see the forest for the treessss." Oh thank you God! Thank you "4th grade name-calling!" Ohh I love it ! I love it! Ohh please stay! Fish Fillet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I really don't care either way. I know I'm a fan no matter what, so why should I care about other people? Because they make SoFla look like a crappy sports town in front of the whole country, and never show up almost to the point of contraction, and then jump on the bandwagon in September and fill up all the seats, make the lines long, get all the giveaways, stuff like that. I love that we're getting good crowds now, but these people have given Miami a bad name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I really don't care either way.? I know I'm a fan no matter what, so why should I care about other people? Because they make SoFla look like a crappy sports town in front of the whole country, and never show up almost to the point of contraction, and then jump on the bandwagon in September and fill up all the seats, make the lines long, get all the giveaways, stuff like that. I love that we're getting good crowds now, but these people have given Miami a bad name. What do you expect with a transient population that has had a baseball franchise for all of 11 years? Do you think south Floridians are inherently bad fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Great post, Fish Fillet! It's good to stay positive, but if you feel the need to name call, just hush up. :lol :cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djm305 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I really don't give a s*** about what other people do or don't do. You are all fans of this team. Hell even a Bandwagon fan is still a fan, at least until the next loss. But the point is it hurts the franchise and that is what pisses me off. I mean there are always going to be bandwagon fans, just because there are some poeple who don't really like baseball that much but they kinda want to be involved in all the hoopla when their team is winning. But there are just too many people in SouthFLA that fall under that category. That's why I wonder if baseball can really succeed in this town. Most people are like "hell yea I am a fan cause I goto 10 games a year!" even if the only 10 games you goto are opening day, and play-offs. I have no doubt that all of you are fans and even those that don't goto GAMES are fans. But people need to realize that for basbeall to succeed in this town you NEED to show up to games!! I don't just mean 10 or 15.....we have 81 HOME GAMES a year try to make it out to HALF of the games at least! We can't survive on weekends alone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I really don't give a s*** about what other people do or don't do. You are all fans of this team. Hell even a Bandwagon fan is still a fan, at least until the next loss. But the point is it hurts the franchise and that is what pisses me off. I mean there are always going to be bandwagon fans, just because there are some poeple who don't really like baseball that much but they kinda want to be involved in all the hoopla when their team is winning. But there are just too many people in SouthFLA that fall under that category. That's why I wonder if baseball can really succeed in this town. Most people are like "hell yea I am a fan cause I goto 10 games a year!" even if the only 10 games you goto are opening day, and play-offs. I have no doubt that all of you are fans and even those that don't goto GAMES are fans. But people need to realize that for basbeall to succeed in this town you NEED to show up to games!! I don't just mean 10 or 15.....we have 81 HOME GAMES a year try to make it out to HALF of the games at least! We can't survive on weekends alone..... No, no, no. Don't suggest for people to go to 40 games a year, because I do, but that's a lotta games, especially in a poor city like this, with a stadium in a bad location. We need many people going to a few games here and there. Not a select few going to 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djm305 Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I really don't give a s*** about what other people do or don't do. You are all fans of this team. Hell even a Bandwagon fan is still a fan, at least until the next loss. But the point is it hurts the franchise and that is what pisses me off. I mean there are always going to be bandwagon fans, just because there are some poeple who don't really like baseball that much but they kinda want to be involved in all the hoopla when their team is winning. But there are just too many people in SouthFLA that fall under that category. That's why I wonder if baseball can really succeed in this town. Most people are like "hell yea I am a fan cause I goto 10 games a year!" even if the only 10 games you goto are opening day, and play-offs. I have no doubt that all of you are fans and even those that don't goto GAMES are fans. But people need to realize that for basbeall to succeed in this town you NEED to show up to games!! I don't just mean 10 or 15.....we have 81 HOME GAMES a year try to make it out to HALF of the games at least! We can't survive on weekends alone..... No, no, no. Don't suggest for people to go to 40 games a year, because I do, but that's a lotta games, especially in a poor city like this, with a stadium in a bad location. We need many people going to a few games here and there. Not a select few going to 40. Yea, well obviously that's an "If you can make it" statement. I am one of those people that REALLY REALLY hope a new stadium will help with all these issues. That is, for those people that say the only thing stopping them is the stadium. I really hope it solves this problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nielsosky Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 We need many people going to a few games here and there. Not a select few going to 40. I would if I lived maybe like 10 states closer to Florida...I live in San Francisco, but it's really a pity I can't support them by going to games very much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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