November 3, 200421 yr Marlins begin talks with Pavano today BARRY JACKSON bjackson@herald.com The Marlins will begin to address pitching (their biggest offseason priority) when general manager Admin Beinfest meets today with right-hander Carl Pavano and his agent, Scott Shapiro, for the first time since the season ended. But with other teams in position to offer more financially, the Marlins will need to appeal to Pavano with intangibles (such as the fact he likes South Florida, his teammates and the team's defense). If the decision comes down to money, the Marlins figure to be underdogs. ''I'm going in with no expectations,'' Pavano said Tuesday. ''I don't know what they're going to offer.'' Asked whether he prefers to stay with the Marlins, Pavano, 28, was noncommittal. ''There are a lot of factors that have to come into play -- seeing what other teams [offer]. I'm very excited about [free agency]. You play your whole career to get an opportunity to put yourself in the best position possible.'' Even if the Marlins offer Pavano a three-year deal topping $20 million, potential suitors such as the Yankees, Seattle, Boston and Baltimore will drive up the price. Players can sign elsewhere beginning Nov. 12. Pavano (18-8, 3.00 ERA) concedes, ''New York is a great possibility. I'm from Connecticut. [The Yankees] are in the thick of it every year.'' ? If the Marlins can't sign Pavano, they will have plenty of other options among free agent pitchers. The most affordable would include Paul Byrd, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Wilson, Woody Williams and Odalis Perez. If the Marlins decide to spend more, Jose Lima, Kevin Millwood, Matt Clement, Orlando Hernandez, Russ Ortiz, Eric Milton and Jaret Wright would be options. Pavano, Pedro Martinez, Brad Radke, Cris Carpenter, Matt Morris and Derek Lowe are the top-end free agents. ? Although the Marlins have had ''multiple positive talks'' with the agent for free agent Damion Easley, they called free agent closer Armando Benitez's agent Tuesday for the first time since the season ended and promised additional conversations when the team's budget is clarified. Mike Powers, Benitez's agent, was pleased to hear from Beinfest. On Monday, he said the fact he hadn't heard from the Marlins was ''disturbing and a lack of respect for a guy who put up big numbers.'' Easley's agent says there's mutual interest, but Easley wants to consider other options, too. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/10084051.htm
November 3, 200421 yr Solid news, but I'm confused...according to the ESPN free-agent tracker, we hold an option on Easley; anyone know what's up with that?
November 3, 200421 yr Solid news, but I'm confused...according to the ESPN free-agent tracker, we hold an option on Easley; anyone know what's up with that? 607715[/snapback] I saw that too, but Easley's already declared free agency so it really doesn't matter. I think it might be a mistake, I can't imagine Easley the option would be for anything more than $1 million.
November 3, 200421 yr Marlins begin talks with Pavano today BARRY JACKSON bjackson@herald.com The Marlins will begin to address pitching (their biggest offseason priority) when general manager Admin Beinfest meets today with right-hander Carl Pavano and his agent, Scott Shapiro, for the first time since the season ended. But with other teams in position to offer more financially, the Marlins will need to appeal to Pavano with intangibles (such as the fact he likes South Florida, his teammates and the team's defense). If the decision comes down to money, the Marlins figure to be underdogs. ''I'm going in with no expectations,'' Pavano said Tuesday. ''I don't know what they're going to offer.'' Asked whether he prefers to stay with the Marlins, Pavano, 28, was noncommittal. ''There are a lot of factors that have to come into play -- seeing what other teams [offer]. I'm very excited about [free agency]. You play your whole career to get an opportunity to put yourself in the best position possible.'' Even if the Marlins offer Pavano a three-year deal topping $20 million, potential suitors such as the Yankees, Seattle, Boston and Baltimore will drive up the price. Players can sign elsewhere beginning Nov. 12. Pavano (18-8, 3.00 ERA) concedes, ''New York is a great possibility. I'm from Connecticut. [The Yankees] are in the thick of it every year.'' ? If the Marlins can't sign Pavano, they will have plenty of other options among free agent pitchers. The most affordable would include Paul Byrd, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Wilson, Woody Williams and Odalis Perez. If the Marlins decide to spend more, Jose Lima, Kevin Millwood, Matt Clement, Orlando Hernandez, Russ Ortiz, Eric Milton and Jaret Wright would be options. Pavano, Pedro Martinez, Brad Radke, Cris Carpenter, Matt Morris and Derek Lowe are the top-end free agents. ? Although the Marlins have had ''multiple positive talks'' with the agent for free agent Damion Easley, they called free agent closer Armando Benitez's agent Tuesday for the first time since the season ended and promised additional conversations when the team's budget is clarified. Mike Powers, Benitez's agent, was pleased to hear from Beinfest. On Monday, he said the fact he hadn't heard from the Marlins was ''disturbing and a lack of respect for a guy who put up big numbers.'' Easley's agent says there's mutual interest, but Easley wants to consider other options, too. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/10084051.htm 607691[/snapback] Lowe a top end free agent...lol And people wanted the Fish to entertain the thought of having that sad waste in Miami. Wright, Clement, Perez and Byrd are the best affordable options in that order
November 3, 200421 yr I've also being thinking that instead of bump the marlins should go after Reed if hes willing to sign for under a mil.
November 4, 200421 yr Marlins begin talks with Pavano today BARRY JACKSON bjackson@herald.com The Marlins will begin to address pitching (their biggest offseason priority) when general manager Admin Beinfest meets today with right-hander Carl Pavano and his agent, Scott Shapiro, for the first time since the season ended. But with other teams in position to offer more financially, the Marlins will need to appeal to Pavano with intangibles (such as the fact he likes South Florida, his teammates and the team's defense). If the decision comes down to money, the Marlins figure to be underdogs. ''I'm going in with no expectations,'' Pavano said Tuesday. ''I don't know what they're going to offer.'' Asked whether he prefers to stay with the Marlins, Pavano, 28, was noncommittal. ''There are a lot of factors that have to come into play -- seeing what other teams [offer]. I'm very excited about [free agency]. You play your whole career to get an opportunity to put yourself in the best position possible.'' Even if the Marlins offer Pavano a three-year deal topping $20 million, potential suitors such as the Yankees, Seattle, Boston and Baltimore will drive up the price. Players can sign elsewhere beginning Nov. 12. Pavano (18-8, 3.00 ERA) concedes, ''New York is a great possibility. I'm from Connecticut. [The Yankees] are in the thick of it every year.'' ? If the Marlins can't sign Pavano, they will have plenty of other options among free agent pitchers. The most affordable would include Paul Byrd, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Wilson, Woody Williams and Odalis Perez. If the Marlins decide to spend more, Jose Lima, Kevin Millwood, Matt Clement, Orlando Hernandez, Russ Ortiz, Eric Milton and Jaret Wright would be options. Pavano, Pedro Martinez, Brad Radke, Cris Carpenter, Matt Morris and Derek Lowe are the top-end free agents. ? Although the Marlins have had ''multiple positive talks'' with the agent for free agent Damion Easley, they called free agent closer Armando Benitez's agent Tuesday for the first time since the season ended and promised additional conversations when the team's budget is clarified. Mike Powers, Benitez's agent, was pleased to hear from Beinfest. On Monday, he said the fact he hadn't heard from the Marlins was ''disturbing and a lack of respect for a guy who put up big numbers.'' Easley's agent says there's mutual interest, but Easley wants to consider other options, too. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/10084051.htm 607691[/snapback] Lowe a top end free agent...lol And people wanted the Fish to entertain the thought of having that sad waste in Miami. Wright, Clement, Perez and Byrd are the best affordable options in that order 607745[/snapback] Lowe did win 17 games just two years ago you know and 14 games plus 3 in the postseason this year. He is a good pitcher and would do well in Pro Player with our defense.
November 4, 200421 yr NEW YORK -- Carl Pavano became a free agent Wednesday after meeting with Florida Marlins management and telling the team he wanted to test the market. Pavano A 28-year-old right-hander who went a career-best 18-8 with a 3.00 ERA this season, Pavano is likely to be among the most coveted free agents, which could put him in the middle of a bidding war between the World Series champion Boston Red Sox and the New York Yankees, baseball's biggest spenders. Pavano met for about an hour in Miami with Marlins president David Samson and general manager Admin Beinfest. "They expressed their desire to have Carl back, and Carl expressed his appreciation for everything the ownership group has done, in Montreal and in Florida," said the pitcher's agent, Scott Shapiro. "We're going to keep open communication. Carl has a lot of emotional ties to the Marlins, but he is committed to testing the market. Whether they have the resources to compete with some other organizations for Carl's services is the question at hand." Other free-agent pitchers include Pedro Martinez, Brad Radke, Russ Ortiz, Eric Milton, Matt Morris, Derek Lowe and Kevin Millwood. Players can start negotiating money terms with all teams starting Nov. 12. Pavano has a 57-58 record in seven seasons with the Expos and Marlins. He was drafted by Boston in 1994 and was sent to Montreal after the 1997 season with Tony Armas Jr. for Martinez. He had surgery to remove elbow chips in 2000 but has been healthy since. Pavano allowed one run in nine innings against the Yankees in the 2003 World Series and went 2-0 with a 1.40 ERA in two postseason starts and six relief appearances. Pavano, a first-time All-Star in 2004, earned $3,925,000 this year. "We're not going to comment on any discussions," Marlins general manager Admin Beinfest said. "We're going to keep everything in-house." The Yankees are looking to rebuild a starting rotation that struggled most of the season and collapsed against Boston in Game 7 of the AL Championship Series, while the Red Sox are facing the possible loss of Martinez and Lowe. Shapiro lives within walking distance of the hotel in Key Biscayne, Fla., where general managers will meet next week and will probably talk with some teams then. He said negotiations will probably take quite a while. "I know that Carl's main concern is that he wants to go to an organization that's committed to winning," Shapiro said. "He is going to want to meet the personnel. He's going to evaluate the defense and the run support he would have on a particular team." Pavano was among 11 players who became free agents Wednesday, raising the total to 190. Chicago White Sox second baseman Roberto Alomar and St. Louis outfielder John Mabry also filed. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1915730 I'd say he's 80% gone... Time to talk to 'Mando, Lowe, Clement, Pedro, Williams and Morris, see what shakes out from there :whistle .
November 4, 200421 yr Marlins begin talks with Pavano today BARRY JACKSON bjackson@herald.com The Marlins will begin to address pitching (their biggest offseason priority) when general manager Admin Beinfest meets today with right-hander Carl Pavano and his agent, Scott Shapiro, for the first time since the season ended. But with other teams in position to offer more financially, the Marlins will need to appeal to Pavano with intangibles (such as the fact he likes South Florida, his teammates and the team's defense). If the decision comes down to money, the Marlins figure to be underdogs. ''I'm going in with no expectations,'' Pavano said Tuesday. ''I don't know what they're going to offer.'' Asked whether he prefers to stay with the Marlins, Pavano, 28, was noncommittal. ''There are a lot of factors that have to come into play -- seeing what other teams [offer]. I'm very excited about [free agency]. You play your whole career to get an opportunity to put yourself in the best position possible.'' Even if the Marlins offer Pavano a three-year deal topping $20 million, potential suitors such as the Yankees, Seattle, Boston and Baltimore will drive up the price. Players can sign elsewhere beginning Nov. 12. Pavano (18-8, 3.00 ERA) concedes, ''New York is a great possibility. I'm from Connecticut. [The Yankees] are in the thick of it every year.'' ? If the Marlins can't sign Pavano, they will have plenty of other options among free agent pitchers. The most affordable would include Paul Byrd, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Wilson, Woody Williams and Odalis Perez. If the Marlins decide to spend more, Jose Lima, Kevin Millwood, Matt Clement, Orlando Hernandez, Russ Ortiz, Eric Milton and Jaret Wright would be options. Pavano, Pedro Martinez, Brad Radke, Cris Carpenter, Matt Morris and Derek Lowe are the top-end free agents. ? Although the Marlins have had ''multiple positive talks'' with the agent for free agent Damion Easley, they called free agent closer Armando Benitez's agent Tuesday for the first time since the season ended and promised additional conversations when the team's budget is clarified. Mike Powers, Benitez's agent, was pleased to hear from Beinfest. On Monday, he said the fact he hadn't heard from the Marlins was ''disturbing and a lack of respect for a guy who put up big numbers.'' Easley's agent says there's mutual interest, but Easley wants to consider other options, too. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/10084051.htm 607691[/snapback] Lowe a top end free agent...lol And people wanted the Fish to entertain the thought of having that sad waste in Miami. Wright, Clement, Perez and Byrd are the best affordable options in that order 607745[/snapback] Lowe did win 17 games just two years ago you know and 14 games plus 3 in the postseason this year. He is a good pitcher and would do well in Pro Player with our defense. 608096[/snapback] If you think he is a top-end FA like Pedro, Pavano and Radke you are seriously mistaken. He won games, because he had the highest run support of any pitcher in the league this year. He won 17 last year because he was among the top in run support as well. He's a crappy pitcher that happens to be backed by one of if not the very best offense in baseball. He wouldn't do all that much better in Florida because Boston's infield defense may not be as good as that of the Fish but it's definitely not an excuse for his poor season with people like Reese and Cabrera on the team. He had a bad WHIP the season previous and was 'lucky' that his ERA was a very mediocre 4.50, his ERA this season was 5.42 and his WHIP is 1.61 I'd only entertain getting him if we could get Tejada to play short so as to give Tejada the opportunity to kick his azz any time he desired.
November 4, 200421 yr NEW YORK -- Carl Pavano became a free agent Wednesday after meeting with Florida Marlins management and telling the team he wanted to test the market. Pavano A 28-year-old right-hander who went a career-best 18-8 with a 3.00 ERA this season, Pavano is likely to be among the most coveted free agents, which could put him in the middle of a bidding war between the World Series champion Boston Red Sox and the New York Yankees, baseball's biggest spenders. Pavano met for about an hour in Miami with Marlins president David Samson and general manager Admin Beinfest. "They expressed their desire to have Carl back, and Carl expressed his appreciation for everything the ownership group has done, in Montreal and in Florida," said the pitcher's agent, Scott Shapiro. "We're going to keep open communication. Carl has a lot of emotional ties to the Marlins, but he is committed to testing the market. Whether they have the resources to compete with some other organizations for Carl's services is the question at hand." Other free-agent pitchers include Pedro Martinez, Brad Radke, Russ Ortiz, Eric Milton, Matt Morris, Derek Lowe and Kevin Millwood. Players can start negotiating money terms with all teams starting Nov. 12. Pavano has a 57-58 record in seven seasons with the Expos and Marlins. He was drafted by Boston in 1994 and was sent to Montreal after the 1997 season with Tony Armas Jr. for Martinez. He had surgery to remove elbow chips in 2000 but has been healthy since. Pavano allowed one run in nine innings against the Yankees in the 2003 World Series and went 2-0 with a 1.40 ERA in two postseason starts and six relief appearances. Pavano, a first-time All-Star in 2004, earned $3,925,000 this year. "We're not going to comment on any discussions," Marlins general manager Admin Beinfest said. "We're going to keep everything in-house." The Yankees are looking to rebuild a starting rotation that struggled most of the season and collapsed against Boston in Game 7 of the AL Championship Series, while the Red Sox are facing the possible loss of Martinez and Lowe. Shapiro lives within walking distance of the hotel in Key Biscayne, Fla., where general managers will meet next week and will probably talk with some teams then. He said negotiations will probably take quite a while. "I know that Carl's main concern is that he wants to go to an organization that's committed to winning," Shapiro said. "He is going to want to meet the personnel. He's going to evaluate the defense and the run support he would have on a particular team." Pavano was among 11 players who became free agents Wednesday, raising the total to 190. Chicago White Sox second baseman Roberto Alomar and St. Louis outfielder John Mabry also filed. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1915730 I'd say he's 80% gone... Time to talk to 'Mando, Lowe, Clement, Pedro, Williams and Morris, see what shakes out from there :whistle . 608138[/snapback] I think he's gone too, he's stressing the whole need to take advantage of his opportunity (free agency) via the angle this is what he's worked his whole career for...yadda yadda yadda...to make it worse his agent has made it clear that he wanted to distance Carl from those rumors that he didn't want to play in New York so as to atleast involve NY teams in the bidding race so as to bump his market value Fish will offer their 3 years 21 million and they shouldn't offer anymore than that at all. I'd like Wright but it seems that he'd be very pricey and the Braves would be foolish to let him leave, I wouldn't mind seeing Clement or Perez here, Morris might command a bit too much but if the price is right we should take a risk on him because he has had a history of success though not much of it this season.
November 4, 200421 yr Maybe Easley's option that you were seeing was his own to make. I doubt that we will be able to keep Benitez, but it's good to see that we're at least talking to him. As far as Pavano is concerned, I think he owes us for hanging on to him and giving him the chance to evolve into a better pitcher. I will be very disappointed if he leaves.
November 4, 200421 yr i always liked pavs, but he's still not a proven commodity to offer him anything over 7 or 8 mil, and even that seems high ...he was ok in 2003; very good in 2004 and had a nice post season in 2003, and is only 28...that's it. before that he had been an injury plagued bright prospect with dismal stats my question is i was wondering why the marlins didnt offer him a multi year deal last year when he was arb eligible?
November 4, 200421 yr i always liked pavs, but he's still not a proven commodity to offer him anything over 7 or 8 mil, and even that seems high ...he was ok in 2003; very good in 2004 and had a nice post season in 2003, and is only 28...that's it. before that he had been an injury plagued bright prospect with dismal stats my question is i was wondering why the marlins didnt offer him a multi year deal last year when he was arb eligible? 608195[/snapback] I think the reason he wasn't offered a mult-year deal last year is because of all the reasons you stated. He had a decent 2003 and before that he was an injury plagued bright prospect with dismal stats. As much as i would love Pavano back, I think the bidding for his services will go very high, very quickly. When you have the Yankees desperate for pitching and the Red Sox in the mix, it will be very hard for the Marlins to compete. 3 year, $21 million is a fair offer for Carl, but I don't think it will end up being enough. The good news is that there is a lot of other good options on the free agent maket,s hould Pavano sign elsewhere. One guy I don't think any of you mentioned is Russ Ortiz. He's a very solid #2-#3 starter and he's absolutely owned us. We'd have the added bonus of not having to face him anymore. After him, I'd look at Clement, Lowe, Morris, Perez, Carpenter, Milton, Millwood, and Wright. Someone in that group i'm sure would jump at an offer similar to the one made to Pavano, if not come cheaper.
November 5, 200421 yr how about if pavano doesnt take, offer something to pedro and see what happens, the aging pedro needs a good NL park and D to play with
November 5, 200421 yr I heard the Marlins called his agent. I hope he remains a Marlin. Rule in sports: Never become attached with a player.
November 5, 200421 yr Author It appears the Marlins might move on here JMO... :plain http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...rlins_1105.html
November 11, 200421 yr according to rotoword.com The New York Post is reporting a rumor that Pavano will end up staying with the Marlins on a four-year, $32 million contract.
November 11, 200421 yr according to rotoword.com The New York Post is reporting a rumor that Pavano will end up staying with the Marlins on a four-year, $32 million contract. 612948[/snapback] Sweet
November 11, 200421 yr according to rotoword.com The New York Post is reporting a rumor that Pavano will end up staying with the Marlins on a four-year, $32 million contract. 612948[/snapback] Rotoworld also said that Pudge was headed to the Cubs or the O's last season... I really doubt the FO would offer that much to Pavs, I don't want him that badly, and this team doesn't need him that badly. 8 million a season for four years? Offer that money to JD Drew and let Lo Duca go and bring in Clement, Morris, or Wright...
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