February 5, 200521 yr This is taken from a Tigers website, I think it explains the whole situation very well. Magg Wheels With the Tigers interest in Magglio Ordonez, and the confusion over the status of his knee, I wanted to at least get a handle on the chronology of the injury. Below are excerpts from Baseball Prospectus' Under the Knife report. UTK is written by Will Carroll who has turned himself into the source for baseball injury information. May 20th Willie Harris left Wednesday's game after a collision with Magglio Ordonez. Ordonez also left the game. No report on either player at deadline May 27th Ordonez has a moderate strain of his left calf. The injury has been connected to his collision with Willie Harris last week, but it's unclear if the injury is the result of the collision or a compensation injury after it. Ordonez isn't a candidate for the DL at this point, but watch his power numbers; if they drop off, it might be a sign that he's unable to block with his front leg. June 3rd I'm not sure if he's really underrated or just underexposed, but either way he's a heck of a ballplayer when healthy. Ordonez was sent for a second opinion from Dr. Lewis Yocum on Wednesday. The results must not have looked good since trainer Herm Schneider opened up the possibility of surgery. Ordonez is not yet on the DL, but a retro move is likely. The White Sox had been very patient, hoping that Ordonez could avoid the List, but even if he can avoid surgery he's going to need the recovery time. June 4th Oh...Magglio Ordonez. That's a different story. He's the best player on a division-leading team, so news that he's likely to head under the knife is never a good thing. Ordonez has a significant problem that instead of being his calf is now being reported as a meniscal tear. This would make the pain in his calf something radiating from an entrapped nerve, called "referred pain." This type of pain is often extremely difficult to diagnose and would certainly explain the confusion of the last few days. If surgery is called for, Ordonez would have it immediately on Friday with team doctors. The rehab would likely take four-to-six weeks, but an All-Star break return looks possible. July 26th Bone marrow edema isn't a diagnosis heard every day. In baseball, it's now a singular event, afflicting Magglio Ordonez, who just returned from knee surgery. Also called "transient osteoporosis," the edema is not just a short-term problem for the Sox' outfielder, it's also bad in the long-term; BME is a predictor of serious arthritis, gait imbalances, and increased risk for fractures near the affected bones. It's not good for the White Sox, for Ordonez, or Ordonez's agent, but it's not life-threatening, as some have feared. It could be managed in a way that could allow Ordonez back on the field, but as there is nothing with which to compare this, I have no way of putting a timeline on it. September 23rd It's hard to tell what is medical fact and what is negotiation tactic in the case of Magglio Ordonez. The complicating factor of impending free agency gives both parties--player/agent and team--reason to present their spin rather than the facts. Worse, Ordonez's condition is one that has not only not been seen in baseball, the doctors and trainers with whom I've spoken haven't seen it in sports. So, we're dealing with an unknown but potentially serious condition, a rehabbing knee that is months behind schedule, and contentious salary negotiations in their last weeks. In other words, absent a miracle, even my best sources really don't know what the future holds for Ordonez. This is a classic "buyer beware" situation with upside. October 19th Sources with medical knowledge of the Magglio Ordonez situation tell me that Ordonez's knee is neither as bad nor as good as current news would have you believe. The problem was finally given a solid diagnosis, which includes a second meniscal tear and a reason for the bone edema, giving him a good treatment plan. Ordonez won't be 100% in December as suggested, though there's reason to believe that he could be ready for spring training without restriction December 2nd Knee surgery led to a bone marrow edema, an injury not often seen, let alone seen in baseball players. A second surgery, performed in Austria, has reportedly cleared up the problem. Knee surgery is nearly routine now, so any complication such as the edema is rare. Ordonez was unable to return and now faces questions about his ability to return to his previous performance level. That makes teams reluctant to sign big checks. Ordonez is reported to have a workout planned for teams during the winter meetings. If he can perform normal baseball activities, there's little reason to believe he won't return to his previous levels. Even if he's not fully healed now, he still has months to go before he needs to be on the field. Add in that Ordonez was not a speed player or rangy outfielder prior to the injury, and the effect is minimal. While knee injuries do have a tendency to recur and need occasional maintenance, there's no reason to believe that, even if surgery became necessary, the edema or other complications would arise again. A team would be smart to get Ordonez in a room prior to the workouts; if he can walk normally now, sign him. Sometimes you don't need all the information, just enough to make an informed decision. December 9th His knee injuries have been documented both here and elsewhere. About all we don't know is how he is. A planned workout by Ordonez in Anaheim has been scrapped because Scott Boras feels he's close enough to a deal that the workout is unnecessary. Enough people have seen the medical records that some team is likely to try to make a move. This is a deal that could well happen this weekend. January 24th After a winter of signal silence, facts are finally starting to come out about Magglio Ordonez's health status. Ordonez had a second knee surgery in Austria, but only secondary to sound-wave treatments on his damaged knee. While the surgery was routine, the sound-wave therapy is controversial. The treatment, similar to those used on kidney stones and plantar fasciitis, is not approved for use in the U.S. Despite reports that his Austrian physician has signed off on Ordonez to return to activity, he has still not yet worked out for any team. I remain hopeful, but he's a sure red-flag type until he demonstrates he's healthy.
February 6, 200521 yr you can say what you want about the signing, yes they overpayed, but this signing may be enough to win them the division (which is sad). there's a good chance that nobody in the AL Central will be above .500
February 6, 200521 yr Author you can say what you want about the signing, yes they overpayed, but this signing makes them the favorites to win the division (which is sad). there's a good chance that nobody in the AL Central will be above .500 678252[/snapback] Thats one of the stupidest things I've heard.
February 6, 200521 yr WOW!! I'm the biggest Ordonez fan there is and thats even too much for my taste....Pudge last year and now this....Boras is a criminal.
February 6, 200521 yr The AL Central is no where near as bad as the NL West... I think the AL Central is much improved.. I think the White Sox improved their team with Cleveland and Detroit up and coming.
February 6, 200521 yr I still think CLE will take the division and the central division will be a fun race with 4 teams with a legit shot at it
February 6, 200521 yr WOW!! I'm the biggest Ordonez fan there is and thats even too much for my taste....Pudge last year and now this....Boras is a criminal. 678533[/snapback] Ummm....I think Pudge earned his contract last year.
February 6, 200521 yr Author The AL Central is no where near as bad as the NL West... I think the AL Central is much improved.. I think the White Sox improved their team with Cleveland and Detroit up and coming. 678535[/snapback] I agree...The White Sox have a top 5 rotation in the AL with Garcia Buerhle Contreras (So much better since he left NY) Hernandez Garland For some reason I really like that starting 5. They may have traded Lee but if Jermaine Dye ever stays healthy again...he can add some pop to that lineup with Konerko and Thomas.
February 6, 200521 yr Yea, I dont like the chisox at all but I like their lineup.. not to mention Carl Everett is their super sub. I also think Aaron Rowand is a helluva ballplayer 1. Podsednik 2. Iguchi 3. Konerko 4. Thomas 5. Rowand 6. Pierzynksi 7. Dye 8. Uribe 9. Crede I just winged it on the starting lineup.. you get the picture. Pretty solid, imo. Then they have a very nice 4some in the bullpen of Shingo, Marte, Hermanson and Vizcaino. Definitely think they're the favorites of that division.. but I like Clevelands team, tho they lack bullpen, and Detroits team, as do they. And you can never count out the Twins.
February 6, 200521 yr Author 1st through 4th in that division will be seprated by no more than like 8 games.
February 7, 200521 yr WOW!! I'm the biggest Ordonez fan there is and thats even too much for my taste....Pudge last year and now this....Boras is a criminal. 678533[/snapback] Ummm....I think Pudge earned his contract last year. 678635[/snapback] Ummm...last I checked it wasn't a one year deal. Let's see if you're saying that after the fourth year, shall we?
February 8, 200521 yr The Sox have three pitchers hovering around 40 (One with an ankle that resembles half a pound of ground meat), a vastly overrated pitcher with little control, and a mediocre 5th starter. I'll take the Mets rotation any day. Pedro is a #3 starter? Please! Hate is a very ugly emotion. As for Roger not being on the decline, look at his numbers in 2003 and 2002 with the Yankees, please don't tell me he wasn't in decline when he moved to the NL. And Pedro is nearly nine years younger. Once again, hate is a very ugly emotion. 677696[/snapback] Wade Miller just a mediocre 5th starter? He was the ace of Houston not too long ago... Oh but Zambrano was the ace of.. Tampa Bay :whistle
February 8, 200521 yr The Sox have three pitchers hovering around 40 (One with an ankle that resembles half a pound of ground meat), a vastly overrated pitcher with little control, and a mediocre 5th starter. I'll take the Mets rotation any day. Pedro is a #3 starter? Please! Hate is a very ugly emotion. As for Roger not being on the decline, look at his numbers in 2003 and 2002 with the Yankees, please don't tell me he wasn't in decline when he moved to the NL. And Pedro is nearly nine years younger. Once again, hate is a very ugly emotion. 677696[/snapback] Wade Miller just a mediocre 5th starter? He was the ace of Houston not too long ago... Oh but Zambrano was the ace of.. Tampa Bay, and Kris Benson almost had one good half a season, :whistle
February 8, 200521 yr you can say what you want about the signing, yes they overpayed, but this signing may be enough to win them the division (which is sad). there's a good chance that nobody in the AL Central will be above .500 678252[/snapback] That's just ridiculous on both points. Care to explain how Maggs will improve their starting rotation? :whistle
February 8, 200521 yr The AL Central is no where near as bad as the NL West... 678535[/snapback] :blink:
February 8, 200521 yr This contract will either be slightly overpaying for a very good player or a complete and total trainwreck, my guess is the ladder will be the case, but hey I don't blame the Tigers for having faith in a now (at least) 30 year old coming off a terrible injury. Oh, and they would have overpaid for him with this contract if Maggs had never got hurt, he's not worth 15 million a year.
February 8, 200521 yr you can say what you want about the signing, yes they overpayed, but this signing may be enough to win them the division (which is sad). there's a good chance that nobody in the AL Central will be above .500 678252[/snapback] That's just ridiculous on both points. Care to explain how Maggs will improve their starting rotation? :whistle 679634[/snapback] The way I look at it, the rotation will improve a lot just by their young pitchers getting a year older. Bonderman, Maroth, Ledezma, and Knotts are all young and improving.
February 8, 200521 yr you can say what you want about the signing, yes they overpayed, but this signing may be enough to win them the division (which is sad). there's a good chance that nobody in the AL Central will be above .500 678252[/snapback] That's just ridiculous on both points. Care to explain how Maggs will improve their starting rotation? :whistle 679634[/snapback] The way I look at it, the rotation will improve a lot just by their young pitchers getting a year older. Bonderman, Maroth, Ledezma, and Knotts are all young and improving. 680029[/snapback] throw Nate Robertson's name in there as well
February 8, 200521 yr you can say what you want about the signing, yes they overpayed, but this signing may be enough to win them the division (which is sad). there's a good chance that nobody in the AL Central will be above .500 678252[/snapback] That's just ridiculous on both points. Care to explain how Maggs will improve their starting rotation? :whistle 679634[/snapback] The way I look at it, the rotation will improve a lot just by their young pitchers getting a year older. Bonderman, Maroth, Ledezma, and Knotts are all young and improving. 680029[/snapback] throw Nate Robertson's name in there as well 680031[/snapback] they have a lot of promising young pitchers. No potential Cy Young candidates (with the exception of Bonderman), but guys that will be decent major league pitchers. And when did they get Colby Lewis?
February 8, 200521 yr Author Tigers claimed RHP Colby Lewis off waivers from the Rangers. A smart pickup. Lewis has a career ERA of 6.83 in 176 2/3 IP, but his stuff is above average, or at least it was before he underwent shoulder surgery. If the Tigers are patient with him, he could develop into a quality pitcher in 2006.
February 8, 200521 yr you can say what you want about the signing, yes they overpayed, but this signing may be enough to win them the division (which is sad). there's a good chance that nobody in the AL Central will be above .500 678252[/snapback] That's just ridiculous on both points. Care to explain how Maggs will improve their starting rotation? :whistle 679634[/snapback] The way I look at it, the rotation will improve a lot just by their young pitchers getting a year older. Bonderman, Maroth, Ledezma, and Knotts are all young and improving. 680029[/snapback] Improving on an ERA close to 5 in a pitcher's park will not be enough to win you a division, especially with the White Sox and Twins in the division.
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