Too bad you can't back up all the s*** you talk off the field on the mound. :thumbup

 

Take another million off next year's contract. :mischief :thumbup

 

Here's a suggestion....spend all that time talking garbage about Miami on learning how to pitch. :thumbup

He'll still get his money.

I can hear Peter Gammons now..."AJ has the stuff to be an ace. He just needs a change of scenery."

He'll still get his money.

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yes, but less

He'll still get his money.

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Doubtful. You guys are overrating current performance and underrating the money big money clubs are going to throw at him. It's kinda silly to say he loses a million everytime he has a horrid start, yes?

AJ :killthemall

A couple of bad starts isn't going to make or break AJ cashing in during the offseason. There are very few quality starters in the upcoming free agent class and undoubtedly a team will overpay for him.

He'll still get his money.

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Doubtful. You guys are overrating current performance and underrating the money big money clubs are going to throw at him. It's kinda silly to say he loses a million everytime he has a horrid start, yes?

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I'm not saying he is losing millions by the innings, but he is losing some cash and would lose some more if he doesn't get his act together.

 

we shall see, we can debate but won't know until a deal is done at the end of the season

I'd take AJ over Beckett any day.

I'd take AJ over Beckett any day.

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If I wanted to win a "who can throw harder" contest, yes.

 

As far as who's the better pitch. Josh >>>>>>> AJ.

I'd take AJ over Beckett any day.

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If I wanted to win a "who can throw harder" contest, yes.

 

As far as who's the better pitch. Josh >>>>>>> AJ.

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Josh Beckett 3.58 158 IP

AJ Burnett 3.23 186 IP

 

Those numbers are before tonights performance, but even so I still like AJ. He's not a whiney injury prone baby. We rode AJ for a good month and a half before his current skid, but now all of a sudden he's horrible and because Beckett pitched OK last night he's great....

AJ better than Beckett? Not even close.

 

AJ will get good money but I would not want to be the owner giving it to him.

 

1- Beckett has reasonable innings on his arm due to blister issue over the last three seasons.

2- AJ has already blown out his elbow once.

3- Beckett has proven he can do it when it counts.

4- Beckett's consistency issues are related to the blisters and minor nagging issues while AJ is just plain inconsistent.

AJ better than Beckett? Not even close.

 

AJ will get good money but I would not want to be the owner giving it to him.

 

1- Beckett has reasonable innings on his arm due to blister issue over the last three seasons.

2- AJ has already blown out his elbow once.

3- Beckett has proven he can do it when it counts.

4- Beckett's consistency issues are related to the blisters and minor nagging issues while AJ is just plain inconsistent.

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1- Good try... That's a nice way to try to spin the fact that JB can't stay healthy.

2- And?? He's fully recovered, and once recovered most pitchers pick up right where they left off.

3- I won't diminish what JB did in '03. In that small sample size he was outstanding, but that proves little for the future.

4- At what point does a list of "minor nagging injuries" start to concern you? Beckett can't be depended on. AJ inconsistent? How so? He's not consistently great yet, but for the most part he'll give you at least 6 innings and usually 3 or less runs. IMO AJ is a very consistent pitcher, he just hasn't shown that he can be consistently great, but neither has JB.

Think AJ will blame this loss on the Marlins home attendance?? Maybe he was pissed because 40,000 of us did not fly to Philly to watch him.

AJ better than Beckett? Not even close.

 

AJ will get good money but I would not want to be the owner giving it to him.

 

1- Beckett has reasonable innings on his arm due to blister issue over the last three seasons.

2- AJ has already blown out his elbow once.

3- Beckett has proven he can do it when it counts.

4- Beckett's consistency issues are related to the blisters and minor nagging issues while AJ is just plain inconsistent.

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1- Good try... That's a nice way to try to spin the fact that JB can't stay healthy.

2- And?? He's fully recovered, and once recovered most pitchers pick up right where they left off.

3- I won't diminish what JB did in '03. In that small sample size he was outstanding, but that proves little for the future.

4- At what point does a list of "minor nagging injuries" start to concern you? Beckett can't be depended on. AJ inconsistent? How so? He's not consistently great yet, but for the most part he'll give you at least 6 innings and usually 3 or less runs. IMO AJ is a very consistent pitcher, he just hasn't shown that he can be consistently great, but neither has JB.

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How about this career numbers

W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO

JB - 39 34 3.52 103 100 3 2 0 0 588.2 510 262 230 53 217 588

 

AJ - 49 47 3.69 130 127 14 8 0 1 831.1 701 380 341 65 364 728

 

I say its a toss up...

I'm still in favor of re-signing Moehler, and then going out and getting a decent #5 starter, to fill the void AJ leaves next season. The only SP on the market worth anything are out of our price range(and some will be extremely overpriced like The AJ and Matt Morris).

I just don't understand what happened to his changeup. Somewhere, AJ's changeup and Jimmy Hoffa are hiding in a cave together.

Well he can't pitch worth a darn now, but he can run his mouth like no bodies business. :thumbdown

Anybody here still believe we should offer AJ 4/$40M?

 

I'll OK with watching him walk. He's nothing more than a thrower full of unfulfilled promises.

 

AJ missed the playoff run of 2003. He's missing 2005 as well. If we come up short a few games, AJ is just as responsible as Lowell for it.

all he wants is the cash lol

Anybody here still believe we should offer AJ 4/$40M?

 

I'll OK with watching him walk. He's nothing more than a thrower full of unfulfilled promises.

 

AJ missed the playoff run of 2003. He's missing 2005 as well. If we come up short a few games, AJ is just as responsible as Lowell for it.

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I can live with him walking. I definately won't shed a tear..

I don't have any great love for Beckett, apart from appreciating his great stretch run in 2003. He's arrogant and immature, and as things go now, he's wasting quite a bit of potential. This is not say he hasn't been good. Just not as good as he could be. The same goes for Burnett. Burnett, however, has reached a level of childish petulance over the past couple months that Beckett has never even approached. He's also never pitched great in a big game. He'll have at least 3 or 4 more opportunities to come through for us, but the current trend is not a good one.

 

Burnett also might be the single greatest modern example of The Ewing Theory, which some of you are familiar with, I'm sure. For those who are uninitiated, I quote this excerpt from the Sports Guy:

 

The theory was created in the mid-'90s by Dave Cirilli, a friend of mine who was convinced that Patrick Ewing's teams (both at Georgetown and with New York) inexplicably played better when Ewing was either injured or missing extended stretches because of foul trouble.

 

Eventually, we decided that two crucial elements needed to be in place for any situation to qualify for "Ewing" status:

 

A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).

 

That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) -- and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.

 

The Marlins were a dreadful 10 games under .500 in early May of 2003, right around the time AJ got hurt. Then the team goes on an unbelievable tear as AJ exits stage left...and, well, you all know how that turned out. And, finally, AJ comes back, and the Marlins are possibly the biggest underachievers in baseball over the last two years.

 

AJ's got me convinced he's a born loser, so if we're doing a Burnett vs. Beckett debate, I'm taking Beckett.

I hope he gets all his money. Pretty soon (if not already) the Yankees will have more dead payroll than live payroll. I love it when these guys fall all over themselves to give guys contracts like Pavano who is stealing his 39.5 million. Love it. In Beinfest I trust!

I'd take AJ over Beckett any day.

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If I wanted to win a "who can throw harder" contest, yes.

 

As far as who's the better pitch. Josh >>>>>>> AJ.

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Josh Beckett 3.58 158 IP

AJ Burnett 3.23 186 IP

 

Those numbers are before tonights performance, but even so I still like AJ. He's not a whiney injury prone baby. We rode AJ for a good month and a half before his current skid, but now all of a sudden he's horrible and because Beckett pitched OK last night he's great....

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World Series clinching wins -

 

Josh - 1.

 

AJ - 0

AJ's a bitch. He'll get overpaid, but he's still a bitch. Talks s***, cocky as hell, but he can't back it up when it counts. B. I. T. C. H. BITCH.

 

AJ: "I don't know what you've heard about me, but I am the B.I.T.C.H, BITCH."