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If/when he hits his 50th HR this year, it will also be his 300th Career HR.

Has that ever happened? Someone hits 50th HR in a season with that HR being his 300th?

The guy is like 28 and it seems like he's been playing in the league forever. He'll probably get at least 500 in his career and has good chance at the hall of fame if he's productive in his thirties.

as much as i hate the braves...this guy is amazing. hes got good speed a good arm and amazing batting. He will def make the HOF if he gets anywhere close to 500

I'm sure Elias would know

ok, I guess I'll ask it.. what chances does he have to break the all time record?

I'm staying but if all my posts are useless I dont see the point..

 

Back to Andruw Jones.. It is a pretty interesting stat that I'm wondering about aswell.

Of course hes a HOF. Hell end up with at least 600 HR's and 15 gold gloves.

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Well, there it is today - 50 and 300

The guy is like 28 and it seems like he's been playing in the league forever. He'll probably get at least 500 in his career and has good chance at the hall of fame if he's productive in his thirties.

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he did come to the league as a young 18 or 19 year old ... thats 10 years ago

i predict he'll retire with more home runs that A Rod, Pujols, Guerrero, or any other active player besides Bonds

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i predict he'll retire with more home runs that A Rod, Pujols, Guerrero, or any other active player besides Bonds

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Nah, Bonds will break Aaron's record and then go down with a career ending roid-related injury

On a hunch that some folks here were overrating his career accomplishments, I looked up the MLB single-season leaders in OPS since 2000. Here's where Andruw has ranked:

 

2000 - 46th

2001 - 94th

2002 - 37th

2003 - 53rd

2004 - 62nd

2005 - 7th

 

IMO, the man isn't even in the vicinity of HOF-worthy. Defense counts for something but not THAT much. He will need at least another 5 seasons or so close to his 2005 season, or he will need 600 homers. I predict he falls somewhere between 500-600 HRs and falls short. It's a different era; 500 don't cut it no more.

yes, but you're forgetting he's a CF, Mabdul Doobakus

 

500 home runs WITH 10 gold gloves or so that he's a lock for will get him in

 

if he was a 1b-type with little defensive value, it's another matter.

yes, but you're forgetting he's a CF, Mabdul Doobakus

 

500 home runs WITH 10 gold gloves or so that he's a lock for will get him in

 

if he was a 1b-type with little defensive value, it's another matter.

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I didn't forget that he was a CF. He's an exceptional CF, but I don't think it will be enough. Of course, we're talking about this and he's still got like 8-10 years left to play.

Andruw is really bringing it this year, and in my view should win the MVP.

Raise your hand if you think Andruw deserves MVP over Pujols... :thumbdown

 

Didn't think so.

There's no way he'll end up with less than 500 homeruns barring injury.

Raise your hand if you think Andruw deserves MVP over Pujols... :thumbdown

 

Didn't think so.

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*raises hand*

 

Without Pujols, the Cards would still contend for the playoffs.

 

Without Andruw Jones, the Braves would be 4th or last in that division.

*raises hand*

 

Without Pujols, the Cards would still contend for the playoffs.

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I disagree.. Not this year.. We may be able to compete for the NL West division championship if Pujols was out though but we arent so Houston would be the obvious NL Central champ and we may be a good 7-8 games outta the wild card.. Just what i think. Our team may look good but to say we'd be competing for the playoffs may just be wrong.. Could we expect a declining Edmonds to carry the Cards? Unlikely. We'd have to depend on our pitching.

You underrate your own pitching staff, CardsJimEdmonds15. You guys had, last time I checked, the #1 ERA for starters in the NL, and the #1 ERA for releivers in the NL. Pujols vaulted you guys near one of the best offenses in the NL, but if you take him out, you guys still have a pretty good offense.

 

I think with a league average 1b, instead of Pujols, you guys would still be in first place. Oh yes, the rapidly declining Edmonds still has a .900 OPS+.

 

I think I'd be inclined to give Pujols the MVP based on raw statistics, but the MVP is often not completely based on that.

This may be the 4th or 5th time I've written this but I don't understand why "value", in terms of the MVP, is defined as making an average team good. Why should the MVP have to come from a team that is only narrowly making the playoffs? Is there nothing to be said for coasting into the playoffs?

 

Pujols, apart from the HRs, has better numbers than Andruw, and by a decent margin.

 

Without Pujols, the Cards wouldn't be anywhere near the best team in baseball. With him, IMO, they are the best team in baseball.

 

Without Andruw, the Braves wouldn't be anywhere near the best team in baseball. With him, IMO, they still aren't anywhere near the best team in baseball.

 

To me, in terms of value, great is better than good. Call me crazy.

You underrate your own pitching staff, CardsJimEdmonds15. You guys had, last time I checked, the #1 ERA for starters in the NL, and the #1 ERA for releivers in the NL. Pujols vaulted you guys near one of the best offenses in the NL, but if you take him out, you guys still have a pretty good offense.

 

I think with a league average 1b, instead of Pujols, you guys would still be in first place. Oh yes, the rapidly declining Edmonds still has a .900 OPS+.

 

I think I'd be inclined to give Pujols the MVP based on raw statistics, but the MVP is often not completely based on that.

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You can't go strictly by stats. Look at the players that are starting for the Cardinals. Taguchi, Nunez, Mabry, Rodriguez, ect. These guys are bench players and career minor leaguers. Do you really think these guys would be playing this well without Pujols in the line-up? I don't! Pujols is the type of player that makes everybody better. It's not a coincidence that average players always do better when they become Cardinals, and then return to their career norms once they leave St. Louis. Pujols is a team leader, and does whatever is best for the team to win. The Astros have an incredible rotation, but they're 14 games out of first place because they don't have Albert Pujols!

Without Andruw, the Braves wouldn't be anywhere near the best team in baseball. With him, IMO, they still aren't anywhere near the best team in baseball.

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I'm not going to sing Andruw's praises for finally giving a damn.

 

He should have been having seasons like this for the last 5 years, but he's lazy.

To me, in terms of value, great is better than good. Call me crazy.

I can see where you're coming from, but on the other side of the equation doesn't the most valuable player for the team that makes the playoffs on a fringe basis deserve it a little bit more than the player whose team wins their division by twenty games? Not to take away from the player on the great team, but this is not best player. When judging highest value, one has to look at what that player has caused in all aspects of the game, not just statistics. And if a team makes the playoffs by less than five games it has to be reasonably considered that the player from this team means that much more than the player on the great team does, at least in the regular season.

 

I guess the point is that great player on great team should be applauded for helping his team be great and tear through the world, but great player on good team should be applauded moreso because without him his team doesn't even have the chance to be great as they would miss the playoffs.

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