August 11, 200620 yr Author jimmy after your two-faced comment in the taurasi thread, I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now. He can say that 9/11 is America's fault and people don't say anything, but god forbid he disrespect the WNBA :lol .
August 11, 200620 yr jimmy after your two-faced comment in the taurasi thread, I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now. He can say that 9/11 is America's fault and people don't say anything, but god forbid he disrespect the WNBA :lol . you are missing the principle here, and I'm not going to try and explain again.
August 11, 200620 yr Author jimmy after your two-faced comment in the taurasi thread, I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now. He can say that 9/11 is America's fault and people don't say anything, but god forbid he disrespect the WNBA :lol . you are missing the principle here, and I'm not going to try and explain again. I understood the point you were making, I just thought it was funny because you said "I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now" :lol .
August 11, 200620 yr jimmy after your two-faced comment in the taurasi thread, I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now. He can say that 9/11 is America's fault and people don't say anything, but god forbid he disrespect the WNBA :lol . you are missing the principle here, and I'm not going to try and explain again. I understood the point you were making, I just thought it was funny because you said "I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now" :lol . I was referring to the hypocracy of the two posts.
August 11, 200620 yr Author Anyone with half a brain knows that you should deal with WHO gets on the plane before dealing with WHAT gets on the plane, but of course that doesn't fly with today's overly PC society.
August 11, 200620 yr To hell with racial profiling. If Al Qaeda knows that we are profiling Arabic people, then they will start to recruit people who look different from that. I also think that people are forgetting a small person named TIMOTHY MCVEIGH when they advocate racial profiling.
August 12, 200620 yr Without profiling of some sort, alot of police work would be impossible. with profiling, we give ourselves a reason to think we are better than everyone else...why is equality such a threatening notion in this country...i guess some people still have a dream in this country while others believe chillin wit whitey is the only flava in town :whistle Learn how to type first of all, that crap is annoying as hell to read and if you're over the age of 12 and would like to be taken seriously, type correctly. Profiling doesn't mean 'get someone because of their race'. How do you think some drug dealers are caught? Some type of profiling is done. Whether it be the way the subject is acting, what they are doing, etc. there is some reason why a police officer encounters that person. I've had to do advance screening twice. I'm a large, 6'4" multi-racial male with tan/dark skin, dark hair, and I wear sun glasses alot and almost every time I'm at the airport. Did I get flagged randomly? Maybe not or maybe I did. I didn't take offense to it or call racism. I'm almost relieved when they've checked me because of my look and physique and I'm glad to know this stuff is going on. Both times the people were polite to me, I wasn't delayed and my now fiancee knew what was going on. Don't concoct some image of unfair treatment/racism during the process. It's not like that. I'd rather them check someone like me then a middle schooler, a 49 year old frequent flyer, or an 87 year old grandmother. I know you like to think that if Bush wasn't in charge the world would be full of gumdrop trees, everyone would eat ice cream all day, and the most competitive sport would be hopscotch but the world isn't like that and things need to change and adapt to ensure the safety of the country and places around the world. hey, i figured out this internet thing somewhat...maybe ill get that typing down someday...i may need your infinite wisdom to guide my path though...and drug dealers are caught with something called PROOF and evidence...sorry to inform you, but the justice system doesnt work on hunches...hunches may provide clues and educated guesses from time to time but come on...as long as there is a bill of rights, there shouldnt be profiling...its a racist policy, end of story jimmy after your two-faced comment in the taurasi thread, I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now. yes because women's basketball and politics have lots in common...plus...men are better basketball players than women...but thats another story muslims are better terrorists than americans. zing yeah...we dont strap bombs to our backs...we drop them from the air...seems equally terrifying to me because im quite fond of living Wow, man. Are you doing this for attention? Because that's what it seems like to me. All of your posts make no sense at all. You take the term "liberal" to another level. Not exactly something to be proud of.
August 12, 200620 yr He's absolutely correct. Just because we don't want to appear discriminatory in the airport, doesn't mean we can't be realistic. If a Muslim male gets pulled over for further examining, why should he be offended? All the terrorist attacks and plots in the past 15 years have hovered around MUSLIMS. It's not racist and it's not discriminatory. It's fawking fact. I have Muslim friends; I have many middle eastern ancestors. I mean, jeez--does it make me a racist to suspect that a terrorist MIGHT be DARK SKINNED MIDDLE EASTERN? Hmm... Timothy McVeigh looked pretty Muslim to me. He's absolutely correct. Just because we don't want to appear discriminatory in the airport, doesn't mean we can't be realistic. If a Muslim male gets pulled over for further examining, why should he be offended? All the terrorist attacks and plots in the past 15 years have hovered around MUSLIMS. It's not racist and it's not discriminatory. It's fawking fact. I have Muslim friends; I have many middle eastern ancestors. I mean, jeez--does it make me a racist to suspect that a terrorist MIGHT be DARK SKINNED MIDDLE EASTERN? civil liberties guarenteed by the constitution of the United States of America are soooooooo overrated anyways...who wants to throw a gestapo party? ill bring the dip and potatoe salad such a response is expected. yeah...personal freedom is a terrible idea...id much rather walk places with machine guns pointed at me while the secret police watches me through a tv and reads my mind...think happy thoughts james, you can do it...come on...happy...happy thoughts...please...bush is the best president ever and he should have the right to do whatever he pleases to americans because he is god....uh...no...i kinda like the way our founding fathers put in those 10 little amendments we call the BILL OF RIGHTS...because i for one, like speaking up when i have been wronged by someone or something and id prefer not to get a bullet in the head or strip searched for having my own opinion or because my religious faith involves something covering my head Let me ask you a serious question. Do you mean to tell me that if you went to the airport, and saw a woman wearing a birka walking with a male companion or two through a security checkpoint without being thoroughly searched before boarding the same plane you are to board, that you would think nothing of it at all? That it wouldn't bother you? Come on, dude. You'd want that person and her companions searched thoroughly (yes, more thoroughly then the average caucasion) before you board that aircraft. And if you deny that, forgive me, but you really are a moron. I wont fly, not becuase of security, but because I refuse to waste 3 hours in an airport getting searched. I've said it many times, the security measures in place are largely psychological, If a terrorist wants to blow up a plane, they will, no matter what you do. Period.
August 12, 200620 yr I think I'm with Accord on this one and consider myself left-leaning. I'm not 100% sure it's right or whether or not it will lead to further abuses, but I think it's almost suicidal to do otherwise. I somewhat agree with my man das as well...it's a tough issue.
August 12, 200620 yr I wont fly, not becuase of security, but because I refuse to waste 3 hours in an airport getting searched. I've said it many times, the security measures in place are largely psychological, If a terrorist wants to blow up a plane, they will, no matter what you do. Period. I've flown alot over the past three years and I've never waited that long except once, and that was in D.C and I expect that because of the ammount of people coming and going and the number of international flights. I don't think I even waited much more then an hour in the security line either and that includes when I got an advance screening.
August 12, 200620 yr Author To hell with racial profiling. If Al Qaeda knows that we are profiling Arabic people, then they will start to recruit people who look different from that. I also think that people are forgetting a small person named TIMOTHY MCVEIGH when they advocate racial profiling. McVeigh was the exception to the rule. There have been thousands upon thousands of terrorist attacks committed by muslim extremists over the past decade compared to what, a half dozen by others. If a terrorist wants to blow up a plane, they will, no matter what you do. Period. You must have been hiding under a rock over the past 48 hours.
August 12, 200620 yr He's absolutely correct. Just because we don't want to appear discriminatory in the airport, doesn't mean we can't be realistic. If a Muslim male gets pulled over for further examining, why should he be offended? All the terrorist attacks and plots in the past 15 years have hovered around MUSLIMS. It's not racist and it's not discriminatory. It's fawking fact. I have Muslim friends; I have many middle eastern ancestors. I mean, jeez--does it make me a racist to suspect that a terrorist MIGHT be DARK SKINNED MIDDLE EASTERN? Hmm... Timothy McVeigh looked pretty Muslim to me. He's absolutely correct. Just because we don't want to appear discriminatory in the airport, doesn't mean we can't be realistic. If a Muslim male gets pulled over for further examining, why should he be offended? All the terrorist attacks and plots in the past 15 years have hovered around MUSLIMS. It's not racist and it's not discriminatory. It's fawking fact. I have Muslim friends; I have many middle eastern ancestors. I mean, jeez--does it make me a racist to suspect that a terrorist MIGHT be DARK SKINNED MIDDLE EASTERN? civil liberties guarenteed by the constitution of the United States of America are soooooooo overrated anyways...who wants to throw a gestapo party? ill bring the dip and potatoe salad such a response is expected. yeah...personal freedom is a terrible idea...id much rather walk places with machine guns pointed at me while the secret police watches me through a tv and reads my mind...think happy thoughts james, you can do it...come on...happy...happy thoughts...please...bush is the best president ever and he should have the right to do whatever he pleases to americans because he is god....uh...no...i kinda like the way our founding fathers put in those 10 little amendments we call the BILL OF RIGHTS...because i for one, like speaking up when i have been wronged by someone or something and id prefer not to get a bullet in the head or strip searched for having my own opinion or because my religious faith involves something covering my head Let me ask you a serious question. Do you mean to tell me that if you went to the airport, and saw a woman wearing a birka walking with a male companion or two through a security checkpoint without being thoroughly searched before boarding the same plane you are to board, that you would think nothing of it at all? That it wouldn't bother you? Come on, dude. You'd want that person and her companions searched thoroughly (yes, more thoroughly then the average caucasion) before you board that aircraft. And if you deny that, forgive me, but you really are a moron. If a terrorist wants to blow up a plane, they will, no matter what you do. Period. Obviously bullsh*t. Period.
August 12, 200620 yr According to CNN, these terrorists had been under close surveillance for a long time, and there was zero chance of them actually pulling this off. One thing that some have forgotten: What happened to those black guys arrested for supposedly planning to attack Chicago?
August 12, 200620 yr According to CNN, these terrorists had been under close surveillance for a long time, and there was zero chance of them actually pulling this off. One thing that some have forgotten: What happened to those black guys arrested for supposedly planning to attack Chicago? Yeah I heard that on MSNBC, they had been watching them, gathering more information and names of people over time.
August 12, 200620 yr According to CNN, these terrorists had been under close surveillance for a long time, and there was zero chance of them actually pulling this off. One thing that some have forgotten: What happened to those black guys arrested for supposedly planning to attack Chicago? Yeah I heard that on MSNBC, they had been watching them, gathering more information and names of people over time. which makes the new security measures that much more hilarious.
August 12, 200620 yr Without profiling of some sort, alot of police work would be impossible. with profiling, we give ourselves a reason to think we are better than everyone else...why is equality such a threatening notion in this country...i guess some people still have a dream in this country while others believe chillin wit whitey is the only flava in town :whistle Learn how to type first of all, that crap is annoying as hell to read and if you're over the age of 12 and would like to be taken seriously, type correctly. Profiling doesn't mean 'get someone because of their race'. How do you think some drug dealers are caught? Some type of profiling is done. Whether it be the way the subject is acting, what they are doing, etc. there is some reason why a police officer encounters that person. I've had to do advance screening twice. I'm a large, 6'4" multi-racial male with tan/dark skin, dark hair, and I wear sun glasses alot and almost every time I'm at the airport. Did I get flagged randomly? Maybe not or maybe I did. I didn't take offense to it or call racism. I'm almost relieved when they've checked me because of my look and physique and I'm glad to know this stuff is going on. Both times the people were polite to me, I wasn't delayed and my now fiancee knew what was going on. Don't concoct some image of unfair treatment/racism during the process. It's not like that. I'd rather them check someone like me then a middle schooler, a 49 year old frequent flyer, or an 87 year old grandmother. I know you like to think that if Bush wasn't in charge the world would be full of gumdrop trees, everyone would eat ice cream all day, and the most competitive sport would be hopscotch but the world isn't like that and things need to change and adapt to ensure the safety of the country and places around the world. hey, i figured out this internet thing somewhat...maybe ill get that typing down someday...i may need your infinite wisdom to guide my path though...and drug dealers are caught with something called PROOF and evidence...sorry to inform you, but the justice system doesnt work on hunches...hunches may provide clues and educated guesses from time to time but come on...as long as there is a bill of rights, there shouldnt be profiling...its a racist policy, end of story jimmy after your two-faced comment in the taurasi thread, I don't know how many people are actually going to listen to what you say now. yes because women's basketball and politics have lots in common...plus...men are better basketball players than women...but thats another story muslims are better terrorists than americans. zing yeah...we dont strap bombs to our backs...we drop them from the air...seems equally terrifying to me because im quite fond of living So now we are terrorists?? LOL no...we find the legal way to kill people that dont deserve it
August 12, 200620 yr 1. First off, jimmy, don't make the civil liberties argument. Give that up. Americans don't care if you take away someone else's civil liberties. As long as you don't take away their civil liberties. It's the basic hypocrisy. 2. Accord, you point out how many terrorist attacks. But you play absolutely no percentage numbers. Here, Ill do a little math for you: 7000 Muslim terrorists(since youre going to use every single foreign attack not even connected to the US to try and indict Muslims) 6.5 billion=Muslim population 7000/6.5 billion=0.000001% chance that a Muslim is a terrorist US terrorists=3 US population=300 million 3/300 million=0.00000001% chance that an white guy is a terrorist. 3. How blind are you guys to the fact that these people adjust. For Pete's sake they tried to use gatorade bottles this time. You really don't think they will try and change if we racially profile? 4. You people use extreme anecdotal evidence to make your point. You use Carlos the retard Mencia to make the argument. But how can you really think this is about an old lady vs a turban wearing scowling dirty brown person? Let's be real here. Passion, I think most people would be fine if you only searched males from a certain ages. But people want to isolate it to race. How is that ok?
August 12, 200620 yr I dont want to get to involved in this train wreck of a thread but I just wanted to touch on a few points. Jimmy Jack......I normally agree with your posts but you mentioned that drug dealers are caught based on proof and evidence. This is not entirely correct....... Drug dealers are caught based on Probable Cause which is often precluded by profiling of some sort. Local/County/State and Federal police do not have to have prove that someone has committed a crime in order to arrest them, they only have to articulate probable cause. Judges, jurors and attorney's do the proving and disproving. Police are outmanned and outgunned on the streets. Without profiling the disadvantage grows. I know there are a few ppl on this thread that would like nothing more than our society to be police/rules free. That world that they wish for would resemble New Orleans after the hurricane hit so be careful what you wish for. And finally, I dont know about you guys but when I fly I have a little routine. You know the little area in front of the gate where everyone sits and waits to board the plane? I look at every person getting ready to board. I look for Muslims between the ages of 12-50 (mostly focusing on males). I watch and I listen. Ive even notified airline personel of suspicious activity. I PROFILE.
August 12, 200620 yr So there's a little over 6.5 billion people on Earth. I haven't been around that much because in my experience the world is not about 98% Muslim. I guess everywhere on Earth I haven't been is 100% Muslim, or maybe the entire world population converted to Islam recently. :blink:
August 12, 200620 yr Passion, I think most people would be fine if you only searched males from a certain ages. But people want to isolate it to race. How is that ok? People may want that, but it hasn't been isolated to a race and I'm a perfect example of that. Good job The Don on your post, posting what I didn't want to because I get sick of trying to explain things to that thick skulled kid. EDIT: The Muslim population in 2006 is 1793.12 million. http://www.islamicpopulation.com/world_islam.html
August 12, 200620 yr And finally, I dont know about you guys but when I fly I have a little routine. You know the little area in front of the gate where everyone sits and waits to board the plane? I look at every person getting ready to board. I look for Muslims between the ages of 12-50 (mostly focusing on males). I watch and I listen. Ive even notified airline personel of suspicious activity. I PROFILE. Just out of sheer curiosity, what have you seen in the past that constituted as suspcious activity that you than reported? Not trying to set you up for anything, I'm just curious as to what you've seen at the gates...
August 12, 200620 yr Passion, I think most people would be fine if you only searched males from a certain ages. But people want to isolate it to race. How is that ok? So it's only the men who are terrorists? How sexist is that? A woman could sneak something through security just as easy if not easier than a man. These people will do whatever they have to do to hurt America. Man or woman, it makes no difference.
August 12, 200620 yr And finally, I dont know about you guys but when I fly I have a little routine. You know the little area in front of the gate where everyone sits and waits to board the plane? I look at every person getting ready to board. I look for Muslims between the ages of 12-50 (mostly focusing on males). I watch and I listen. Ive even notified airline personel of suspicious activity. I PROFILE. Just out of sheer curiosity, what have you seen in the past that constituted as suspcious activity that you than reported? Not trying to set you up for anything, I'm just curious as to what you've seen at the gates... 2 Islamic men in their mid to late 20's with that "1,000 yard stare". They were sitting about 3 rows away from each other.
August 12, 200620 yr Author Passion, I think most people would be fine if you only searched males from a certain ages. But people want to isolate it to race. How is that ok? Um, 2 of the terrorists were woman, hell one of them was even 6 months pregnant. No muslim should get a free pass at an airport. Profile them based on name, if some guy's name is Mohammad Al Shaliki Maliki Tahid you're god damned right I want him to be screened more than some kindergarten teacher.
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