Geez!!! What the f*** is all this arm discomfort all of a sudden!

 

 

dead arm from overpitching young players.

 

When Olsen, Sanchez, Johnson come close to doubling their career innings (per year) it will happen. Which is why we need to be careful. Remember always this team is built for 2008 and 2009 for winning not right away.

 

Giradi's true legacy to the fish

Did Olsen start throwing yet? Now I am getting nervous about his arm.

JJ's way overrated by many on this board, but there is no way shape or form Mitre is in the same stratosphere.

 

Obviously the people who voted for Johnson in significant numbers for rookie of the year didn't think he was overrated.

 

Mitre is injured too, he may not be ready to start spring training either.

I happen to think JJ is overrated as well. Obviously the voters were voting for him based on 2006, not what they think his major league career will look like.

early call-up of Volstad & West?

 

I think they are better than Mitre & Petit.

:confused

early call-up of Volstad & West?

:confused

no chance in hell

If Johnson OR Sanchez have to start on the DL, we better not start Mitre. He is not good at all. I say give Jose Garcia or Yusmeiro Petit another shot. They have potential.

 

Here is another name to watch this spring- Paul Mildren. The guy is not overpowering but has been very consistant and the Fish didn't want to trade him to the Mets- giving up Adam Bostick instead.

I know many people on here will probably disagree with this, but I think Mitre should get another shot at the rotation. In case some of you forgot, he was in our rotation last year, until he was shut down due to injury. In March and April, the first five games of the season, sure he had a losing record (1-3), but his ERA was still a decent 3.82. Then, after two starts in early May, he was shut down due to injury. After he returned from his injury in August, he was used strictly out of the pen, and had two terrible outings the rest of the season, which inflated his ERA a bit more.

 

You can look at any one of the pitchers in our starting rotation, and you will find with each one of them two or three months that they pitched worse than the other months in the season. That's, why I don't think you can be so hasty to criticize Mitre's performance last season, due to the fact that he pitched well for the 1st month he started, and began to struggle in the other two starts leading up to his injury. I think that strictly on the basis that Mitre only got 7 starts last year, he will be one of the first guys in line to hold a spot in the rotation if someone has to be held out at the start of the season.

It's not really a matter of giving the guy a chance. He's had chances in the past. It's more a case of he just doesn't have stuff comparable to the other guys. He doesn't throw as hard, his stuff doesn't break as well, he doesn't mix his pitches as effectively. Mitre just isn't as good.

early call-up of Volstad & West?

 

I think they are better than Mitre & Petit.

:confused

 

 

There is a better chance of Gaby Hernandez at mid-season (he he has a break out year in carolina) but I dont see anyway those 2 see the majors for 2 years time. Winters or Thompson either. Tucker seems might be on a faster track but Ramp would know best honestly.

 

 

Too many here are lax on Pettit, he needs to get a chance to start to really show his stuff not the relief stints.

 

I am another on the johnson is a bit over-rated on this board group, but oh wells.

I don't think JJ is overrated. His 93-94 MPH heater comes at hitters as if it was 96-97 because he's so tall and his reach is so long. He's got a pretty good slider, too. If he can work on his change I think he can be a solid 2nd starter for years to come.

good thing i didn't trade off my rare rookie card of Nolasco. He'll be getting another shot looks like.

good thing i didn't trade off my rare rookie card of Nolasco. He'll be getting another shot looks like.

 

I think he should be getting another shot regardless. I personally think he has very good stuff. His ERA was pretty good several starts before his injury (I always discount performances in the two or three starts before someone goes down with an arm or elbow injury).

I know many people on here will probably disagree with this, but I think Mitre should get another shot at the rotation. In case some of you forgot, he was in our rotation last year, until he was shut down due to injury. In March and April, the first five games of the season, sure he had a losing record (1-3), but his ERA was still a decent 3.82. Then, after two starts in early May, he was shut down due to injury. After he returned from his injury in August, he was used strictly out of the pen, and had two terrible outings the rest of the season, which inflated his ERA a bit more.

 

You can look at any one of the pitchers in our starting rotation, and you will find with each one of them two or three months that they pitched worse than the other months in the season. That's, why I don't think you can be so hasty to criticize Mitre's performance last season, due to the fact that he pitched well for the 1st month he started, and began to struggle in the other two starts leading up to his injury. I think that strictly on the basis that Mitre only got 7 starts last year, he will be one of the first guys in line to hold a spot in the rotation if someone has to be held out at the start of the season.

It's not really a matter of giving the guy a chance. He's had chances in the past. It's more a case of he just doesn't have stuff comparable to the other guys. He doesn't throw as hard, his stuff doesn't break as well, he doesn't mix his pitches as effectively. Mitre just isn't as good.

Mitre has a pretty good sinker

 

if he is healthy, I would expect to see Serge get a shot... then again, he needs to be healthy

I know many people on here will probably disagree with this, but I think Mitre should get another shot at the rotation. In case some of you forgot, he was in our rotation last year, until he was shut down due to injury. In March and April, the first five games of the season, sure he had a losing record (1-3), but his ERA was still a decent 3.82. Then, after two starts in early May, he was shut down due to injury. After he returned from his injury in August, he was used strictly out of the pen, and had two terrible outings the rest of the season, which inflated his ERA a bit more.

 

You can look at any one of the pitchers in our starting rotation, and you will find with each one of them two or three months that they pitched worse than the other months in the season. That's, why I don't think you can be so hasty to criticize Mitre's performance last season, due to the fact that he pitched well for the 1st month he started, and began to struggle in the other two starts leading up to his injury. I think that strictly on the basis that Mitre only got 7 starts last year, he will be one of the first guys in line to hold a spot in the rotation if someone has to be held out at the start of the season.

It's not really a matter of giving the guy a chance. He's had chances in the past. It's more a case of he just doesn't have stuff comparable to the other guys. He doesn't throw as hard, his stuff doesn't break as well, he doesn't mix his pitches as effectively. Mitre just isn't as good.

 

 

I'm not by any means trying to say that Mitre is some awesome talent, and I would agree with you to an extent that his "stuff" doesn't appear to be quite as good as some of the other options we have. But the guy has NEVER had the chance to start more than 9 games in one major league season. Over the course of four years, he's only had the opportunity to start a TOTAL of 25 games. I still don't think we should be so hasty to pass judgement on a guy who's only averaged 6 starts per season. Give him some solid time in the rotation. Enough time for him to get on a schedule and get into a rhythm. Basically, all we've gotten to see from him in each of his major league seasons is a solid 1 month's worth of starts. As I said in my original post, you can pick out any one of the pitchers in our rotation and show a terrible month or two that they had. But, with ALL of them, they also had other months where they sparkled. I have no reason to believe that Mitre would perform any differently if he was given the chance to stay in the rotation for an extended amount of time.

If Mitre has any potential...fine! Let someone else develop it. I don't like his attitude, let him pitch for the Nats or the D-Rays, just not for us. He was explicit that he only wanted to start.

Or.....

 

Let us develop it by throwing him in the starting rotation for awhile, and let him build up enough value to attract trade interest. :thumbup

I know many people on here will probably disagree with this, but I think Mitre should get another shot at the rotation. In case some of you forgot, he was in our rotation last year, until he was shut down due to injury. In March and April, the first five games of the season, sure he had a losing record (1-3), but his ERA was still a decent 3.82. Then, after two starts in early May, he was shut down due to injury. After he returned from his injury in August, he was used strictly out of the pen, and had two terrible outings the rest of the season, which inflated his ERA a bit more.

 

You can look at any one of the pitchers in our starting rotation, and you will find with each one of them two or three months that they pitched worse than the other months in the season. That's, why I don't think you can be so hasty to criticize Mitre's performance last season, due to the fact that he pitched well for the 1st month he started, and began to struggle in the other two starts leading up to his injury. I think that strictly on the basis that Mitre only got 7 starts last year, he will be one of the first guys in line to hold a spot in the rotation if someone has to be held out at the start of the season.

It's not really a matter of giving the guy a chance. He's had chances in the past. It's more a case of he just doesn't have stuff comparable to the other guys. He doesn't throw as hard, his stuff doesn't break as well, he doesn't mix his pitches as effectively. Mitre just isn't as good.

Mitre has a pretty good sinker

 

if he is healthy, I would expect to see Serge get a shot... then again, he needs to be healthy

What did the guy have, three good outings last year with the big league club? I'd leave him in the minors for opening day. I'll change my mind if he shows me something in spring training.

I know many people on here will probably disagree with this, but I think Mitre should get another shot at the rotation. In case some of you forgot, he was in our rotation last year, until he was shut down due to injury. In March and April, the first five games of the season, sure he had a losing record (1-3), but his ERA was still a decent 3.82. Then, after two starts in early May, he was shut down due to injury. After he returned from his injury in August, he was used strictly out of the pen, and had two terrible outings the rest of the season, which inflated his ERA a bit more.

 

You can look at any one of the pitchers in our starting rotation, and you will find with each one of them two or three months that they pitched worse than the other months in the season. That's, why I don't think you can be so hasty to criticize Mitre's performance last season, due to the fact that he pitched well for the 1st month he started, and began to struggle in the other two starts leading up to his injury. I think that strictly on the basis that Mitre only got 7 starts last year, he will be one of the first guys in line to hold a spot in the rotation if someone has to be held out at the start of the season.

It's not really a matter of giving the guy a chance. He's had chances in the past. It's more a case of he just doesn't have stuff comparable to the other guys. He doesn't throw as hard, his stuff doesn't break as well, he doesn't mix his pitches as effectively. Mitre just isn't as good.

Mitre has a pretty good sinker

 

if he is healthy, I would expect to see Serge get a shot... then again, he needs to be healthy

What did the guy have, three good outings last year with the big league club? I'd leave him in the minors for opening day. I'll change my mind if he shows me something in spring training.

15 appearances, 7 starts(Im only counting 6 because in 1 he threw 3 pitches before leaving with injury)

 

In those 6 starts: Taking his 4 better starts, his numbers were a 1-2 record with a 2.92era (24.2ip 21h 8er 9bb 20k)

 

He had 2 rough starts in which he went 0-2 with a 9.58era(10.1ip 18h 11er 4bb 8k)... So he actually was fairly good as a starter. I mean everyone has a rough outing now and then.

 

As a reliever, he had 8 appearances. In 2 of those appearance he got shelled, never recording an out while giving up 7er on 3h while walkig 3 and striking out 0

 

In the other 6 outings, he gave up 0 runs in 6 innings of work, giving up 2 hits with 4 walks and 3 strikeouts

 

He isnt all that bad guys

I'd rather he have arm discomfort now instead of in June or in early September. He'll get over it and be fine.

I know many people on here will probably disagree with this, but I think Mitre should get another shot at the rotation. In case some of you forgot, he was in our rotation last year, until he was shut down due to injury. In March and April, the first five games of the season, sure he had a losing record (1-3), but his ERA was still a decent 3.82. Then, after two starts in early May, he was shut down due to injury. After he returned from his injury in August, he was used strictly out of the pen, and had two terrible outings the rest of the season, which inflated his ERA a bit more.

 

You can look at any one of the pitchers in our starting rotation, and you will find with each one of them two or three months that they pitched worse than the other months in the season. That's, why I don't think you can be so hasty to criticize Mitre's performance last season, due to the fact that he pitched well for the 1st month he started, and began to struggle in the other two starts leading up to his injury. I think that strictly on the basis that Mitre only got 7 starts last year, he will be one of the first guys in line to hold a spot in the rotation if someone has to be held out at the start of the season.

It's not really a matter of giving the guy a chance. He's had chances in the past. It's more a case of he just doesn't have stuff comparable to the other guys. He doesn't throw as hard, his stuff doesn't break as well, he doesn't mix his pitches as effectively. Mitre just isn't as good.

Mitre has a pretty good sinker

 

if he is healthy, I would expect to see Serge get a shot... then again, he needs to be healthy

What did the guy have, three good outings last year with the big league club? I'd leave him in the minors for opening day. I'll change my mind if he shows me something in spring training.

15 appearances, 7 starts(Im only counting 6 because in 1 he threw 3 pitches before leaving with injury)

 

In those 6 starts: Taking his 4 better starts, his numbers were a 1-2 record with a 2.92era (24.2ip 21h 8er 9bb 20k)

 

He had 2 rough starts in which he went 0-2 with a 9.58era(10.1ip 18h 11er 4bb 8k)... So he actually was fairly good as a starter. I mean everyone has a rough outing now and then.

 

As a reliever, he had 8 appearances. In 2 of those appearance he got shelled, never recording an out while giving up 7er on 3h while walkig 3 and striking out 0

 

In the other 6 outings, he gave up 0 runs in 6 innings of work, giving up 2 hits with 4 walks and 3 strikeouts

 

He isnt all that bad guys

 

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