Ramp Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 he's a good guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted October 16, 2003 Author Share Posted October 16, 2003 little things win rings Torborg is the man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted October 16, 2003 Author Share Posted October 16, 2003 JBeck is the best pitcher in baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayBaby84 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 he said all that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Torborg is a great sport after all of this. He needs to get a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 he created this madness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I wasn't paying attention much obviously when torborg managed, but why were they struggling so much under him. Was it injuries or are the fish overacheiving under McKeon or what? I'm just curious what your opinions on that are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I think we underachieved, and also not only the injuries but the injuries took away all the confidence from the team. When Josh came back and started pitching instead of throwing, and Thug Life showed up, and Jack pulled the team together, it all came back. The team was confident again. Even when Mikey went down they still believed they would win everything. And, well, here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Phenom Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I think the problem that made them lose some much under Jeff here was because he told them they needed to win not have fun... From Jack " Winning is fun and fun is winning " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I believe Torborg would get a ring like a ex-player who was on the roster that year would get a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebball Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 just wanted to no how old is Steve Bardman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I wasn't paying attention much obviously when torborg managed, but why were they struggling so much under him. Was it injuries or are the fish overacheiving under McKeon or what? I'm just curious what your opinions on that are. injuries more than anything else i think. 'though most agree Torborg wasn't the guy to lead this team to the playoffs, he was a good guy. Lost Mark Redman for a month, Beckett for a month, AJ Burnett for the season, didn't have Dontrelle Willis. He had a struggling Hollandsworth in left field instead of Miguel Cabrera too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossInfoMan Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 At one point early in the season, the Marlins starting rotation was Penny, Pavano, Justin Wayne, Tejera, and Phelps. I think that says a lot about how different of team it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 just wanted to no how old is Steve Bardman Steve Bartman is 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubes Beinfest Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 torborg was always a nice guy. plus hes still friends with Loria. I almost got pissed when I saw that shirt though lol. i thought it said 2003 instead of 1997 when i saw at first glance. i though torborg was trying to jinx us lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Torborg did well while here, but I think he has a different style of managing that McKeon. He also didnt have the personell that McKeon did - he had Burnett though for awhile - and I dont think we could have gotten back on track with Torborg. But at the time of the hiring of McKeon, I thought it was up to the players and not the manager. I think the psychological effect of getting Torborg fired hit home with this team too. They liked Torborg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubes Beinfest Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 95-105 aint well john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 If Torborg was still here would have been battling the Mets for last place in the division. He and Arnie were too close to the players, there was no sense of urgency in the players, and worse no accountability. He was all too happy to make excuses for his players. Ultimately, it cost him his job, and as much as I like and admire the guy, he wasn't the right guy at the right time for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubes Beinfest Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 lol torbog looked 10 years younger too. i think hes enjoying his retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 If Torborg was still here would have been battling the Mets for last place in the division. He and Arnie were too close to the players, there was no sense of urgency in the players, and worse no accountability. He was all too happy to make excuses for his players. Ultimately, it cost him his job, and as much as I like and admire the guy, he wasn't the right guy at the right time for this team. I agree. At the time, I was happy they made the switch. Nice guy or not is moot- it comes down to the bottom line, and it wasn't what it should have been at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubes Beinfest Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 well the only reason torbog stayed as long as he did was because he was lorias friend and loria couldnt fire his buddy until it just got rock bottom. torborg had game though.. be really nice and be friends with the owner and the players and you got a job in baseball until 62 no matter how much u suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 torborg would not have led this team to the playoffs. period. never liked his style as documented 1,000,000 times here or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 For people who watched this interview on Sportscenter, what was the background? It looked like he lived in a nature preserve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubes Beinfest Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 he looks like mckeons little brother lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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