August 18, 200719 yr What is your all-time team? Lineup: SS Hanley Ramirez 2B Luis Castillo LF Miguel Cabrera 3B Mike Lowell 1B Carlos Delgado RF Gary Sheffield CF Preston Wilson C Ivan Rodriguez Rotation: 1. Livan Hernandez 2. Dontrelle Willis 3. Josh Beckett 4. Ryan Dempster 5. Alex Fernandez Bullpen: Closer: Todd Jones Joe Borowski Armando Benitez Antonio Alfonseca Brian Moehler Lee Gardner Kevin Gregg Bench: Jeff Conine Edgar Renteria Charles Johnson Kevin Millar Moises Alou Derrek Lee I cant believe any of these guys have retired except for alex fernandez and CJ, they could have still had this awesome team!!! Reply With Quote
August 18, 200719 yr Very confused with the picks of Gardner, Moehler, Gregg, Dempster. There are many other players who contributed way more.
August 18, 200719 yr i got a lot of problems with this, but right now, all i can say is: KEVIN BROWN KEVIN BROWN KEVIN BROWN and juan pierre in center
August 18, 200719 yr c-Sandy Martinez 1b-tommy gregg 2b-marty malloy ss-mendy lopez 3b-kevin orie of-bruce aven brant brown danny bautista sp-jesus sanchez cl-jeremy hernandez :blink:
August 18, 200719 yr c-Sandy Martinez 1b-tommy gregg 2b-marty malloy ss-mendy lopez 3b-kevin orie of-bruce aven brant brown danny bautista sp-jesus sanchez cl-jeremy hernandez :blink: haha, seriously, this is just as good
August 18, 200719 yr Catcher-- Ivan Rodriguez 1St Base-- Derek Lee 2nd base-- Luis Castillo 3rd base-- Mike Lowell SS-- Hanley Ramirez LF-- Miguel Cabrera CF- Juan Pierre or Devon White RF- Gary Sheffield Rotation: Josh Beckett Brad Penny Livan Hernandez Kevin Brown Dontrelle Willis Relief: Trevor Hoffman Dennis Cook Jay Powell Robb Nen Julian Tavarez Bench: Jeff Conine Craig Counsell Mark Kotsay Moises Alou Carlos Delgado Edgar Renteria other guys worth mentioning (I structured the roster to fit well as a realistic major league squad): Chuck Carr, Cliff Floyd, Charles Johnson, Benito Santiago (when he was here), Bobby Bo, Antonio Alfonseca (2001), Urbina, and if I think of any more I'll thorw them in there, it's late, but we've done this before.
August 18, 200719 yr Lineup: CF Juan Pierre 2B Luis Castillo SS Hanley Ramirez 3B Miguel Cabrera 1B Derrek Lee RF Gary Sheffield C Ivan Rodriguez LF Jeff Conine Rotation: 1. Livan Hernandez 2. Josh Beckett 3. Ryan Dempster 4. Dontrelle Willis 5. Kevin Brown Bullpen: Robb Nen - Closer Ugueth Urbina Armando Benitez Antonio Alfonseca Todd Jones Braden Looper Bench: Mike Lowell Bobby Bonilla Charles Johnson Edgar Renteria Moises Alou Cliff Floyd I know, Alou should be in left, but hell, I love Niner and he goes in left.
August 18, 200719 yr Catcher: Benito Santiago 1b: Orestes Destrede 2b: Bret Barberie SS: Walt Weiss 3b: Dave Magadan LF: Junior Felix CF: Scott Pose RF: Jeff Conine Starting Pitcher: Charlie Hough
August 18, 200719 yr What is your all-time team? Lineup: SS Hanley Ramirez 2B Luis Castillo LF Miguel Cabrera 3B Mike Lowell 1B Carlos Delgado RF Gary Sheffield CF Preston Wilson C Ivan Rodriguez Rotation: 1. Livan Hernandez 2. Dontrelle Willis 3. Josh Beckett 4. Ryan Dempster 5. Alex Fernandez Bullpen: Closer: Todd Jones Joe Borowski Armando Benitez Antonio Alfonseca Brian Moehler Lee Gardner Kevin Gregg Bench: Jeff Conine Edgar Renteria Charles Johnson Kevin Millar Moises Alou Derrek Lee I cant believe any of these guys have retired except for alex fernandez and CJ, they could have still had this awesome team!!! Reply With Quote Dude where is Rob Nen and Bryan Harvey?
August 18, 200719 yr Dude why do we have one of these for the 6 millionth time? Sorry, vertigo has made me grumpy.
August 18, 200719 yr Dude why do we have one of these for the 6 millionth time? Sorry, vertigo has made me grumpy. Because it's fun and I've never gotten to do one. And it's fun.
August 18, 200719 yr C: Bob Natal 1B: Alfredo Amezaga 2B: Alfredo Amezaga SS: Alfredo Amezaga 3B: Alfredo Amezaga LF: Alfredo Amezaga CF: Alfredo Amezaga RF: Alfredo Amezaga :thumbup
August 18, 200719 yr Ryan Dempster gets a lot of love, huh? What about Brad Penny (WS: 2-0, 2.19) and he's one of the best now.
August 18, 200719 yr Obviously we aren't going by performance as a Marlin on this list... So I'd definitely add Bryan Harvey, Trevor Hoffman, A.J. Burnett, Brad Penny, Robb Nen, and if we are adding Non-Real-Marlins, Mike Piazza... lol The position player list is solid besides Rodriguez and Delgado (replaced with Johnson and Lee) but it's decently solid.
August 18, 200719 yr Lineup: CF Juan Pierre SS Hanley Ramirez LF Miguel Cabrera RF Gary Sheffield 1B Derrek Lee C Ivan Rodriguez 3B Mike Lowell 2B Luis Castillo Bench: Moises Alou Craig Counsell Jeff Conine Charles Johnson Edgar Renteria Josh Willingham Rotation: Josh Beckett Livan Hernandez Kevin Brown Brad Penny Dontrelle Willis Bullpen: Robb Nen (Closer) Ugueth Urbina (Set-up) Todd Jones Armando Benitez Braden Looper Antonio Alfonseca (Carlos Delgado ain't no Marlin. It's not his fault, but he still isn't. I would take Julian Tavarez as the long reliever but with a team this good it's just unncessary. And I left off Trevor Hoffman because of his short time here, but he may get a spot if Urbina's not welcome because of the whole setting somebody on fire thing.)
August 18, 200719 yr Obviously we aren't going by performance as a Marlin on this list... So I'd definitely add Bryan Harvey, Trevor Hoffman, A.J. Burnett, Brad Penny, Robb Nen, and if we are adding Non-Real-Marlins, Mike Piazza... lol The position player list is solid besides Rodriguez and Delgado (replaced with Johnson and Lee) but it's decently solid. yeah, but pudge won the ws here, and was our best player overall in the playoffs in '03 (17 rbi in 17 games).
August 18, 200719 yr Shocking lack of love for Devon White. Really the most under-appreciated "key" member of '97. Ditto Al Leiter. IMO, the rotation has to be Beckett, Brown, Leiter, Penny and Willis
August 18, 200719 yr Shocking lack of love for Devon White. Really the most under-appreciated "key" member of '97. Absolutely. One of the best defensive CFs(if not the best) in the league at the time. He was awesome, I loved Devon. He is my all time CF. IMO a great defensive CF(at least range wise) is a must for the Marlins to be a great team. My top 5 rotation in order of BEST - 1. Josh Beckett 2. Livan Hernadez 3. Kevin Brown 4. Aj Burnett 5. Brad Penny
August 18, 200719 yr Mike Piazza. Damn it Bobbob...I saw that you were the final poster and I was hoping to see an entire roster based on BABIP and equally obscure statistics.
August 18, 200719 yr Mike Piazza. Damn it Bobbob...I saw that you were the final poster and I was hoping to see an entire roster based on BABIP and equally obscure statistics. I could go look up the best seasons of all time by VORP, but I'm far too tired right now, so here's the leaders in OPS and ERA by year...
August 18, 200719 yr Shocking lack of love for Devon White. Really the most under-appreciated "key" member of '97. Absolutely. One of the best defensive CFs(if not the best) in the league at the time. He was awesome, I loved Devon. He is my all time CF. IMO a great defensive CF(at least range wise) is a must for the Marlins to be a great team. My top 5 rotation in order of BEST - 1. Josh Beckett 2. Livan Hernadez 3. Kevin Brown 4. Aj Burnett 5. Brad Penny Take out Burnett and put in Willis and you'd have the perfect list.
August 18, 200719 yr With the exception of 97, Livan sucked with us. He benefitted from the world's biggest strikezone in the series against Atlanta and had a really nice run in the playoffs. There are many better pitchers in Marlins history. Adjusted ERA+ Rank Player ERA+ IP 1. Josh Beckett 117 609.0 2. Dontrelle Willis 113 970.7 3. A.J. Burnett 110 853.7 4. Brad Penny 103 781.7 5. Pat Rapp 101 665.7 6. Chris Hammond 94 520.0 7. Ryan Dempster 92 759.7 Adjusted ERA+ Rank Player ERA+ Year 1. Kevin Brown 214 1996 2. Dontrelle Willis 153 2005 3. Kevin Brown 150 1997 4. Al Leiter 139 1996 5. Carl Pavano 137 2004 6. Pat Rapp 126 1995 7. Ryan Dempster 122 2000 8. A.J. Burnett 121 2002 9. Josh Beckett 119 2005 10. A.J. Burnett 117 2005 Adjusted OPS+ Rank Player OPS+ 1. Gary Sheffield 156 2. Miguel Cabrera 146 3. Cliff Floyd 134 4. Derrek Lee 115 5. Jeff Conine 114 6. Mike Lowell 110 7. Preston Wilson 108 8. Juan Pierre 96 9. Charles Johnson 96 10. Luis Castillo 94 Runs Created Rank Player RC 1. Luis Castillo 576 2. Jeff Conine 570 3. Mike Lowell 557 4. Miguel Cabrera 543 5. Derrek Lee 465 6. Cliff Floyd 435 7. Gary Sheffield 428 8. Alex Gonzalez 359 9. Preston Wilson 325 10. Kevin Millar 273
August 18, 200719 yr There have probably been about a half dozen versions of this thread before, but I'll do it anyway since now I can put Hanley on this list: C: Pudge 1B: Derek Lee 2B: Luis Castillo SS: Hanley Ramirez 3B: Miguel Cabrera OF: Mark Kotsay OF: Chuck Carr OF: Gary Sheffield Rotation: Livan Hernandez Dontrelle Willis Josh Beckett Al Leiter Kevin Brown Closer: Robb Nenn
August 18, 200719 yr Mike Piazza. Damn it Bobbob...I saw that you were the final poster and I was hoping to see an entire roster based on BABIP and equally obscure statistics. I could go look up the best seasons of all time by VORP, but I'm far too tired right now, so here's the leaders in OPS and ERA by year... I thought Sanchez had the lowest ERA in 06'?
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