Care to make a sig wager of some sort?

I don't post much, but I bet they lose 60 by the All Star break ... which is a 100 loss pace. Is that good enough?

The Marlins play the Mets too much to lose 100 games.

lol, ok, realistically speaking, Vandenhurk won't really be the ace , but considering the fact that any pitcher the Marlins would make their ace would be a 4th or 5th starter on any other team tells you that they'll lose 100 +

This is dramatic.

 

They won't lose 100, just how they didn't in 2006. The pitching is better and Hanley, Hermida, Hammer, Uggla, and Jacobs can all still hit baseballs. Plus a 3B and whatever Maybin brings if he starts for the team. The offense won't be dreadful.

 

We're going to be OK. Don't worry. There is a very strong possibility they win more games next year if they fill out their last 3-4 roster spots with the right kind of players. We'll see what happens.

 

1. Joe Girardi was the skipper in '06. Feddi blows. I know he had a lot of injuries last year, but he did nothing to make me believe he is a good manager. He's got no fire

 

2.The pitching is better? Why, because we replaced Willis with a guy who has never pitched a full major league season? I dont know, I think the rotation, at this point, is about equal to last years.

 

3. Hanley, Hermida, Uggla and Jacobs can't replace all the runs that Miguel Cabrera created last year. Not nearly.

 

I'd be SHOCKED if this team didn't lose 100+.

 

Hey, I would love to be wrong...

 

but I just can't see them winning more than 61 games

Id rather have Boone start @ 3rd but he is injury prone so yeah, Helms would work ok I guess.

 

This year means nothing (as well as next year) so it's no biggie.

 

2010 is the year for this team (i think)

Helms ...why bother ? and why would he want to come here ? we are rebuilding the rebuilding process no need for Loria lose even more money by obtaining a high salary player like helms

Veteran presence. May be a nice little move, imo. Wes obviously didn't perform well under the pressure in Philly. He could be Daddy to everyone here, moreso than Boone, who could platoon at first.

For those who would rather have Boone: He's got some suitors out there according to ESPN's Winter Meetings blog, which could drive his price up and out of the Marlins range.

lol, ok, realistically speaking, Vandenhurk won't really be the ace , but considering the fact that any pitcher the Marlins would make their ace would be a 4th or 5th starter on any other team tells you that they'll lose 100 +

This is dramatic.

 

They won't lose 100, just how they didn't in 2006. The pitching is better and Hanley, Hermida, Hammer, Uggla, and Jacobs can all still hit baseballs. Plus a 3B and whatever Maybin brings if he starts for the team. The offense won't be dreadful.

 

We're going to be OK. Don't worry. There is a very strong possibility they win more games next year if they fill out their last 3-4 roster spots with the right kind of players. We'll see what happens.

 

1. Joe Girardi was the skipper in '06. Feddi blows. I know he had a lot of injuries last year, but he did nothing to make me believe he is a good manager. He's got no fire

 

2.The pitching is better? Why, because we replaced Willis with a guy who has never pitched a full major league season? I dont know, I think the rotation, at this point, is about equal to last years.

 

3. Hanley, Hermida, Uggla and Jacobs can't replace all the runs that Miguel Cabrera created last year. Not nearly.

 

I'd be SHOCKED if this team didn't lose 100+.

 

Hey, I would love to be wrong...

 

but I just can't see them winning more than 61 games

 

Doug Waechter and that guy we signed from the Frontier League are going to help us win 75 games.

lol, ok, realistically speaking, Vandenhurk won't really be the ace , but considering the fact that any pitcher the Marlins would make their ace would be a 4th or 5th starter on any other team tells you that they'll lose 100 +

This is dramatic.

 

They won't lose 100, just how they didn't in 2006. The pitching is better and Hanley, Hermida, Hammer, Uggla, and Jacobs can all still hit baseballs. Plus a 3B and whatever Maybin brings if he starts for the team. The offense won't be dreadful.

 

We're going to be OK. Don't worry. There is a very strong possibility they win more games next year if they fill out their last 3-4 roster spots with the right kind of players. We'll see what happens.

 

1. Joe Girardi was the skipper in '06. Feddi blows. I know he had a lot of injuries last year, but he did nothing to make me believe he is a good manager. He's got no fire

 

2.The pitching is better? Why, because we replaced Willis with a guy who has never pitched a full major league season? I dont know, I think the rotation, at this point, is about equal to last years.

 

3. Hanley, Hermida, Uggla and Jacobs can't replace all the runs that Miguel Cabrera created last year. Not nearly.

 

I'd be SHOCKED if this team didn't lose 100+.

 

Hey, I would love to be wrong...

 

but I just can't see them winning more than 61 games

 

Doug Waechter and that guy we signed from the Frontier League are going to help us win 75 games.

 

 

*smacks forehead*

 

That's right! You're right! How could I have forgotten about Doug Waechter!

 

 

 

I'm thinking Cy Young

Helms ...why bother ? and why would he want to come here ? we are rebuilding the rebuilding process no need for Loria lose even more money by obtaining a high salary player like helms

 

 

LOL @ HIGH SALARY!

lol, ok, realistically speaking, Vandenhurk won't really be the ace , but considering the fact that any pitcher the Marlins would make their ace would be a 4th or 5th starter on any other team tells you that they'll lose 100 +

This is dramatic.

 

They won't lose 100, just how they didn't in 2006. The pitching is better and Hanley, Hermida, Hammer, Uggla, and Jacobs can all still hit baseballs. Plus a 3B and whatever Maybin brings if he starts for the team. The offense won't be dreadful.

 

We're going to be OK. Don't worry. There is a very strong possibility they win more games next year if they fill out their last 3-4 roster spots with the right kind of players. We'll see what happens.

 

You are the most optimistic fan I've seen Lou. But, you need to stop drinking before you post because there is no way that the Marlins can replace Miguel Cabrera's production. While I think the Marlins will have a strong bullpen again this season they will also have the worst starting rotation in the major leagues and that's probably not up for debate. Fifth place in the National League East is a lock and they might lose 100+ games this season.

lol, ok, realistically speaking, Vandenhurk won't really be the ace , but considering the fact that any pitcher the Marlins would make their ace would be a 4th or 5th starter on any other team tells you that they'll lose 100 +

This is dramatic.

 

They won't lose 100, just how they didn't in 2006. The pitching is better and Hanley, Hermida, Hammer, Uggla, and Jacobs can all still hit baseballs. Plus a 3B and whatever Maybin brings if he starts for the team. The offense won't be dreadful.

 

We're going to be OK. Don't worry. There is a very strong possibility they win more games next year if they fill out their last 3-4 roster spots with the right kind of players. We'll see what happens.

 

1. Joe Girardi was the skipper in '06. Feddi blows. I know he had a lot of injuries last year, but he did nothing to make me believe he is a good manager. He's got no fire

 

2.The pitching is better? Why, because we replaced Willis with a guy who has never pitched a full major league season? I dont know, I think the rotation, at this point, is about equal to last years.

 

3. Hanley, Hermida, Uggla and Jacobs can't replace all the runs that Miguel Cabrera created last year. Not nearly.

 

I'd be SHOCKED if this team didn't lose 100+.

 

Hey, I would love to be wrong...

 

but I just can't see them winning more than 61 games

 

 

I see it alot different than you do.

 

1) Girardi was a horrible in game manager. Not that Fredi has shown to be any better but Girardi did make many questionable decisions during games in 06'. Also, many blame Girardi for all of the arm injuries last season because he abused them in 06. I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with that arguement, but it is out there. As for the fire you speak of, it is highly over rated in my opinion. How many winning seasons did Lou Pinella have in Tampa? The answer is 0. No one can question Lou's fire. My point is that it's to soon to be so critical of Fredi. The jury is still out.

 

2) Miller can only be better in 08' than Willis was in 07'. A healthy Anibal Sanchez, and a healthy Ricky Nolasco have to be much better than the Barone's and BK Kims of last year. You also have to figure that Olsen will be closer to his 06' form than his 07' form. At least you would hope so considering all of his talent. You would also have to figure that RVH will be muched improved over his rookie season simply because of how much talent this kid has. You also have Gaby Hernandez, and Chris Volstad knocking on the major league door, which means some of our more talented youngsters should be ready some time in 08'. My point is that this years rotation could very well be much better than last years. At least the potential is there.

 

3) A full and healthy season from Hermida, Jacobs, and Ross will go a long way to replacing some of Cabs production. Remember that we had a hole in RF (Borchard) for over a month while Hermida was out. And even after Hermida was back it took him a while to get going. We should also be much improved in CF with Maybin (if ready) than all of the CF's we threw out there in 07'. The big question is how do we fix the hole at 3b? A decent acquisition (not Helms) would go along way to making up for the loss of Cabs. My point being that we don't need to replace Cabs with a 30 hr 100 rbi guy. But we can't have a hole either.

 

All in all it's crapshoot, but there is reason to hope to be better than last year. Will we make the plays-offs? No. Can we be better? Yes.

PASS!!!

You are the most optimistic fan I've seen Lou. But, you need to stop drinking before you post because there is no way that the Marlins can replace Miguel Cabrera's production.

 

He didn't say they could replace it with only one player, or even at all. Just that the offense can still be good.

 

The difference between Cabrera and an average 3B is a lot, right?

Well so is the difference between a good CF and what we threw out there in 2007.

 

So if we get a 3B who is close to league average (which granted still needs to happen), then once Maybin gets going the production lost from Cabrera is minimized.

 

Another place you might get more offense from is Hermida, his 1st half last season wasn't good. 2nd half he was a monster.

 

I know my post is littered with "ifs" but just trying to show that it can be done.

We are not going to replace Cab's offense, but offense was not the problem last year and still shouldn't be terrible even with a drop-off (although you may also have to factor in the second-order effects of losing Cabs, such as a guy like Uggla, who benefited from hitting in front of him, falling off a bit). It will come down to pitching, and starting pitching in particular. If Olsen has a bounce back year, if A. Miller starts to live up to his hype, if Anibal and Nolasco get healthy, if Mitre is recuperated from last year...

 

I know that's a lot of "ifs," but none of them are that unreasonable. And the sleeper here, IMO, is Vandenhurk. I know his numbers from last year are bad (in the bigs), but you could see the potential there. It's just a matter of working out a few kinks. I think he's got the makeup and work ethic, not to mention the talent, to do it. It was actually pretty amazing that he made it to the bigs last year after not having pitched above A ball.

 

I have a feeling Trahern is going to be in the mix relatively soon, too. And Beinfest mentioned using de la Cruz as a swingman.

Scratch Boone off the 3rd base list. He signed a 1 year deal with Washington today.

must have priced himself out of the Marlins' price range at his whopping $1 mil + incentives....

Roto World

 

The Marlins are showing interest in Wes Helms, who had a fine season as a part-time player in Florida in 2006.

 

The Phillies haven't upgraded in third base, so they may not just give Helms away, even though they weren't at all happy with his performance in the first season of a two-year, $5.45 million contract. On the other hand, if they know they can dump Helms' salary, the Phillies might be more likely to take on Brandon Inge's contract or bid for Pedro Feliz. The Marlins are also looking at Jorge Cantu as a possible option at third base. We think they should be pursuing a second baseman with the idea of moving Dan Uggla to third.