Official Wrestling Discussion

[Guest FishFanInPA]

Awfully similiar to tonight.

[Rune]

Awfully similiar to tonight.

Minus the guy in the ring having any charisma.

 

But yes, it was awfully similar which didn't suprise me giving the similar nature of the hype leading up to the debut. Plus it is the "second coming"

[McFly]

I hate when they show guys prior to them making their entrances, ala Goldberg a few years ago. Lame, and takes away from it.

[Ramp]

that was awesome

 

I sat next to a blonde with huge boobs... HHH(after we went off the air) was begging for her to flash... she wouldn't...

 

I'll post pics in a few days when I upload

[MVPosey]

Jericho=god

I haven't marked out like last night in years.

[MVPosey]

SHelton Benjamin was moved to ECW...now CM Punk finally has someone good to feud with for the title

That could be a feud that could give us some great matches

[Rune]

SHelton Benjamin was moved to ECW...now CM Punk finally has someone good to feud with for the title

That could be a feud that could give us some great matches

and some historically low ratings

[geemoney]

The Nasty Boys (Jerry Saggs and Brian Knobbs) worked their first match for WWE in years in a dark match at the Smackdown taping last night. The match was said to be a total disaster.

 

The Nasty Boys apparently treated the dark match as if they were major stars who just returned. They took too long getting into the ring when they came out because they kept interacting with their friends and family seated at ringside. Knobbs got in the ring with his back to the hard camera while Saggs came in and stood right next to opponents Drew McIntye and Dave Taylor, making them look stupid.

 

During the match, the Nastys were stiff with McIntye who is only 21 and new to the main roster. He took the abuse for awhile but eventually started giving out his own stiff shots to the Nastys. The Nastys even worked stiff with Dave Taylor even though he is a respected veteran.

 

Some blamed the Nastys match taking so long for screwing up the entire Smackdown taping, causing it to end at 9:54PM ET and giving WWE just six minutes to change the ring and set for ECW On Sci-Fi.

 

I didn't think Knobbs could even walk (without a cane, anyway), let alone wrestle. Demoltion has re-formed on the Indy scene, why not bring them in? They can't be in much worse shape.

[Libelula]

If Melina was wearing a skirt that would have been one of the greatest pics of all time. Still some good stuff though.

[McFly]

If Melina was wearing a skirt that would have been one of the greatest pics of all time. Still some good stuff though.

 

 

It pisses me off that she no longer does that.

[Guest FishFanInPA]

- Matt Hardy's Appendix burst actually had him on his death bed. If he didn't get to the hospital in time he could have died due to the toxins poisoning his body. As reported he is expected to be out for 3 months then return to continue his feud with MVP until Wrestlemania.

 

- There is brief talk about putting MVP in a short feud with Jeff Hardy.

[MVPosey]

SHelton Benjamin was moved to ECW...now CM Punk finally has someone good to feud with for the title

That could be a feud that could give us some great matches

and some historically low ratings

Shelton Benjamin's a lot more established than John Hennigan, especially before coming to ECW...and now that they're doing what i've been saying they should do for awhile, and give him a mouthpiece, that will be a huge boost

Benjamin's probably the best in ring wrestler in the WWE, but his mic skills are horrible...now they have someone with good mic skills in Elijah Burke to do the talking for him...if they do it right, Burke will do all the talking, Benjamin will do all the wrestling, and they'll make an awesome pair

[Ramp]

that would be HHH asking a girl to flash...

 

here's the rest if you wanna search thru em link

[Bradcore]

Nice

[Libelula]

Awesome pics, Ramp.

[geemoney]

According to TMZ.com, Linda has filed for divorce from Hulk Hogan.

[McFly]

That's pretty sad. I've been watching HKB all day.

[Ramp]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Guest FishFanInPA]

Former WCW and WWF superstar Sid Vicious appeared on the L.A.W (Live Audio Wrestling) radio talk show Sunday evening. Vicious has confirmed the rumors of him hoping to make a return to WWE are true. Vicious said that he has been in talks with Vince McMahon for some time now and that their trying to get things worked out. When asked about joining TNA he said the company is unable to help him reach one of his many goals of wrestling in front of 80,000 fans again.

 

According to fans who have seen Sid in action say he looked very good and appears to be in good health. Since WWE likes to bring in big wrestlers and big draws, there is a great possibility Vince and Sid will come to an agreement and be brought in.

[McFly]

Jericho wins first match back. New finisher too.

[Ramp]

no chance Flair wins, right?

[Guest FishFanInPA]

of course Flair wins....

[Ramp]

siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick

[geemoney]

TONIGHT: Ric Flair?s return. A show-starting tag match with Jeff Hardy & Triple H against Umaga & Snitsky. And more Y2J!

 

-WWE Open.

 

-What else? Clips of Y2J?s return are shown.

 

-Raw Open.

 

-Fireworks start us out LIVE from Charlotte, NC, with our hosts Jim Ross and Jerry ?The King? Lawler. JR said we?re starting off with the main event.

 

Triple H & Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga & Snitsky

Lawler hinted that Snitsky wanted a shot at Hardy?s Intercontinental Title. Crowd is really hot here. After Jeff quickly tagged out, Snitsky hit some shoulders to Triple H?s mid-section. Lawler once again noted the fallacy that Snitsky has never been pinned on Raw. A little double-teaming by the faces and Jeff catapulted him onto both heels on the outside. They caught him, but Triple H dove through the ropes to aid his partner. Break time.

 

[break]

 

We returned with Umaga and his swinging Rock Bottom on Jeff. Snitsky in now, and he hit a suplex for two. Hardy battled out of a double-underhook, but got hit with an elbow coming off the ropes. The former IC champ tagged back in and hit some hard thrust kicks, followed by a spinning heel kick for a near fall. Jeff snuck out of a pump-handle slam and dropkicked Snitsky into the buckle. He almost made a tag, but Jeff grabbed his ankle. Jeff subsequently kicked him away and tagged the Game. Umaga also tagged in and missed a splash. Triple H used the knee, then hit the spinebuster. He almost hit the Pedigree, but Snitsky tried to hit a running kick. That missed and Trips set HIM up, but Umaga ended that. Snitsky got dumped to the outside where he and Trips fought, while Umaga and Jeff were inside. Snitsky got clotheslined over the barricade and Triple H pulled Jeff out of the way of a butt splash. Whisper in the Wind for Umaga (which JR called ?Twist of Fate?....twice), then a pedigree, then Triple H graciously let Hardy have the glory again with the Swanton for the pin.

 

Winners: Hardy & Triple H at 10:34 . Quality opening contest, considering some of the guys involved. Surprised they let Umaga take the fall, rather than Snitsky.

 

-William Regal came out and said he?d really like to see Triple H and Jeff Hardy in action at Armageddon. So of course, he put them together in a match, one-on-one.

 

-Backstage, a limo pulled up. Fans already started ?WOO?ing. The Nature Boy got out and started walking to the dressing room. Lawler and WWE.com hinted at retirement.

 

[break]

 

-Ric Flair came out for his long-awaited promo. He complimented the fans of Charlotte and already started getting emotional. He said the reason he hasn?t been on Raw for six months- because his wrestling career can?t go on forever. He?s gotten involved in politics and opened his own marketing company. He said he has compared himself to Cal Ripken and Brett Favre. But tonight, he has to announce....that he will never retire! He will only retire when he?s dead in that ring. Kind of a gruesome picture. Then he took of his coat and did his crazy old man routine. He said he loved this business and he ain?t going anywhere. Mr. McMahon?s music hit and the chairman came to the ring. Vince said he liked that Ric was never going to retire....as long as he keeps on winning. Vince said the first match he loses, his career is over. Heavy boos from the crowd on that one. Vince said he doesn?t care how Ric wins, but the next time he loses, his career is over. Vince wished Ric good luck and said he hoped he didn?t die anytime soon. Okay, so what?s the reasoning for Vince wanting Ric to retire so badly?

 

Randy Orton?s music hit before Vince could leave the ring. Randy thanked Ric for all the advice he gave him early in his career and being there for him at the beginning. He thanked Ric, in advance, for allowing him to end his career tonight. He got close to Flair and said ?thank you? once again. The segment ended with both wrestlers staring at each other in the ring. They should?ve had Orton facetiously say, ?Hey Ric, if you?re still around when WrestleMania rolls around, I?ll even give you a title shot.? He, of course, would be confident Flair would be done by then. But come WM time, Flair is still kicking and gets a title shot. Why waste him facing the champ on the first night, unless they plan on having a series of matches where Flair wins, but ultimately, that takes a bit of heat off Orton.

 

[break]

 

-Chris Jericho joins us tonight, live on Raw.

 

(2) Hardcore Holly, Cody Rhodes, Jim Duggan & Super Crazy vs. Rory and Robbie of The Highlanders, Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch

All eight were in the ring for the match out of break. After The Nasty Boys? great dark match on Smackdown, they should?ve brought them in for this match. Quick tags by the face team. Rory tagged out to Cade after getting Rhodes down. He laid some punches into Rhodes in the corner. Murdoch came in and snap-mared Rhodes over and started working over his arm. Robbie tagged in, but so did Holly, who went to work on the Scot. High dropkick by Holly, and now everybody gets involved. Holly kicked Robbie right in gut, then hit the Alabama Slam for the win.

 

Winners: Holly, Rhodes, Crazy & Duggan at 3:26. Hard to fit that big a match into just over three minutes and have it accomplish anything.

 

-Ric Flair vs. Randy Orton is coming up later tonight.

 

[break]

 

-Todd Grisham was joined backstage by Jeff Hardy. Jeff gave his thoughts on facing The Game at Armageddon. He said he has really enjoyed tagging with Hardy and hoped that whatever happens at the PPV doesn?t put a damper on their....and then Triple H interrupted. He mocked Jeff for thinking they were friends, with Trips saying he?s never been good at keeping friends. He said at Armageddon, Jeff isn?t stepping in the ring with a friend or a partner....but The Game.

 

-JR and King threw it to clips of the Mr. Kennedy/HBK confrontation from last week. JR said Kennedy was ?looking to notch his gun against Shawn Michaels.? Talk about a mangled metaphor.

 

-Mr. Kennedy, backstage, plugged HBK?s DVD. He offered to give his take on things before Michaels gratuitously plugged it. Kennedy said the DVD was full of HBK turning on every partner and coming up short at almost every turn. He said Michaels doesn?t only lose matches, but he loses his smile. Do most fans even know what he?s referring two the past few weeks? Kennedy claimed HBK spent most of his career, as evidenced on the DVD, politicking and doing other like-minded things to maintain his main-event spot. Watching the DVD, he said it was evident that Michaels has had some highs and lows, but no low will compare to what he?ll feel like when stepping into the ring with Mr. Kennedy. Great promo.

 

-Chris Jericho joins us for Raw, next.

 

[break]

 

-Ric Flair was backstage, reminiscing with agents Arn Anderson and Barry Windham.

 

-Chris Jericho came out to a shortened Save_Us video, and his shirt and tights both resembled the Save_Us scrambling letters. Crowd didn?t seem to pop THAT big. Jericho said the one reason he came back to Raw was to save us from Randy Orton and become the new WWE Champion. He claimed Randy was too stupid to understand what he wanted last week and said the champ has the IQ of a cumquat. Jericho put it in simpler terms for Orton. He even brought visual aids on the TitanTron- ?Me? was a picture of Jericho, ?Want? was Cookie Monster, ?Title? was a picture of the title and ?Match? was a match you?d start a fire with. He asked the crowd to read it along with him. Y2J said he wanted and answer, and oh yes, yes! Santino Marella?s music hit and our favorite fake Italian came to the ring! I think he called him ?KYJ.? He called Jericho?s ?do a ?Lindsay Lohan haircut.? Jericho said he was embarrassed, and asked who Santino was. Jericho kept mis-pronouncing Santino?s name and Marella ranted in anger in Italian. Marella said Jericho doesn?t deserve a title match and even HE could beat him up. Jericho took him up on his offer, but Santino got cold feet. Finally he said they could have a match but Santino had to warm-up first. Marella wanted to give Jericho something to think about, and he then attacked Jerry Lawler. Jericho is in action next!

 

[break]

 

(3) Santino Marella vs. Chris Jericho

Marella just got back into the ring as the bell rang. A hard right hand put Santino down, then he hit a standing vertical suplex. Marella got in a throat thrust, but Jericho hit a thumb to the eye. Jericho hit his springboard dropkick. Jericho isn?t much taller than Santino, who is very short, so I don?t know if putting these two together right off the bat will help Jericho in that regard. Marella held onto the ropes on an attempted Jericho dropkick. Back suplex from Santino got just one. Jericho came back with a running clothesline and an atomic drop. Facebuster led to a unique jaw-breaker for the win. That?s it?

 

Winner: Jericho at 3:50. Well, he looked good. Not a ton of ring rust or timing issues at all.

 

Jericho encouraged Lawler to get into the ring to finish his business. Jericho then got on the headset. Lawler punched away at Marella and a Million-Dollar kneelift, ?shades of Mr. Wrestling II? said JR. Has he been listening to JBL?s commentary? Jericho did some friendly mocking of JR as Lawler put Santino away. Jericho said he wants an answer from Orton tonight.

 

-As Flair was suiting up, HBK walked in and they shared a hug. HBK said this industry without Flair is not something he?s ready to put his arms around yet. Michaels gave Flair a pep talk, calling him the one and only legend this industry would ever have. Great job from HBK here. Flair said if he was to go out, it?d be in a blaze of glory. HBK is looking more and more like Chuck Norris, with the cowboy hat and the beard.

 

[break]

 

-We got clips of what happened earlier with Flair and McMahon and Orton.

 

(4) Brian Kendrick vs. Mr. Kennedy

Kennedy was quite aggressive in the early goings. Kendrick got hung up by Kennedy on the bottom rope and hit a reverse Russian leg-sweep-type maneuver....and got the win.

 

Winner: Kennedy at 1:19. You mean they couldn?t call on Val Venis for this one?

 

Kennedy said that?s just a sampling of what you?ll be able to see on the next HBK....or you can see it live when he and HBK lock horns.

 

-WWE Magazine presented the Smackdown Rebound.

 

[break]

 

-Vince was talking with Hornswoggle backstage, saying he was quite lucky. Vince wants to make Finlay/Khali for Hornswoggle. He then wanted Horny to grab him an ice cream sandwich. Like any true villain, Vince grabbed a walkie-talkie from nearby and whispered the code phrase, ?Mr. Rogers has left the neighborhood.? Outside, Hornswoggle walked into a room with a sign on it saying ?Free Ice Cream Sandwiches.? Oh, if only. Inside was Carlito waiting for Horny. Hornswoggle grabbed some spray paint as Carlito was about to attack and spray pained a black door-like object on the wall. He got a running start and ran right through it, presumably, to the other side. Carlito was flabbergasted. He then tried to run through the opening, but of course, only ran into the wall. Ron Simmons walked in and said ?Damn.?

 

-Melina was backstage, getting ready for her match with Mickie James. It?s a #1 Contender?s Match, and it?s next.

 

-They must be running short on time this week, as Beth Phoenix came to the ring to scout the next match and she didn?t even get an entrance. They?ve cut other entrances short tonight as well.

 

(5) Mickie James vs. Melina- #1 Contender?s Match

Melina got the advantage with some kicks. Mickie returned the favor with some kicks of her own. Mickie launched Melina across the ring and hit her with a Thesz presses and some punches. Roll-up by Melina for only two. Hurricanarana by Mickie, then a high, hard DDT for the win.

 

Winner: Mickie at 1:58.

 

-Ric Flair was walking backstage and came upon several wrestlers and agents (Cody Rhodes, Triple H, HBK, Sgt. Slaughter, Dean Malenko, Hardcore Holly, Chris Jericho, Super Crazy, Todd Grisham, Jeff Hardy and others). Trips wished him luck.

 

[break]

 

(6) Randy Orton vs. Ric Flair- Flair?s Career on the Line

Flair started with some chops, then hit a back-body drop. He pounded away at Orton in the corner, then hit a back elbow on Orton coming off the ropes. Another chop, but Orton turned things around and started hammering away with rights at Flair in the corner. Orton then hit a back-drop of his own. Flair got an inside cradle for a near fall, but Orton got up quickly and nailed Flair with a clothesline. Orton gave Flair the Ron Garvin stomp as the crowd was once again chanting something I couldn?t quite understand (second time this match). Dropkick by Orton for two. Another standing dropkick. Side headlock by Orton. Desperation chop by Flair, but Orton clotheslined him over the top rope. The fans knew Flair would be done if he was counted out, so they were imploring him to get back in. Orton went to the outside and suplexed Flair on the floor. Orton figured it was over, and got back in the ring. The ref was at eight when Flair rolled back in. Legdrop by Orton for two. Another headlock by Orton. Flair back-suplexed our of the move. Flair punched Orton right in the leg, then followed with a chop block. Flair locked in the figure-four and the crowd went wild. Orton was close to the ropes, but couldn?t get them at first try. He finally got there. As both men got to their feet, Randy hit the RKO, but Orton came down on the knee and was slow to cover. Flair got his hand on the ropes to break the pin. Crowd started chanting ?Nature Boy.? Orton punched at Flair and came close to getting DQ?d. ?Randy sucks? chant now. He set up for another RKO but took way too long (as in you knew he was waiting for someone/something to happen) and lo and behold, Jericho got to the ring to distract the ref. Flair hit the low blow, rolled Orton up, used the tights, and got the three.

 

Winner: Flair at 10:32. Believe it or not, pretty good match. The storyline certainly helped.

 

The announcers said Jericho had made a physical challenge to Orton. Both men stared at each other as the show closed.

[Ramp]

yea, RKO and Naytch worked a real solid match