gomarlins9703 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 PBP: First place fun, likely fleeting http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/conten...eorge_0416.html Herald: Marlins are a feel-good story so far http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/story/497501.html Why does the PBP hate the Marlins? I mean really, is there any need right now to write an article about how much the Marlins will suck? It's like the guy's pissed the Fish are in first and can't wait for them to loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 i, as a diehard marlins fan, completely agree with that PBP article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Miami Fan- Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 It's just two ways of looking at things. Right now we are 8-5. We can be pleasantly surprised by it and optimistic about the future of this team as the season progresses or we can be pessimistic and have no faith that the team will overachieve this year. I'm going with the first option, but as you can see...it looks like other people prefer the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 It's just two ways of looking at things. Right now we are 8-5. We can be pleasantly surprised by it and optimistic about the future of this team as the season progresses or we can be pessimistic and have no faith that the team will overachieve this year. I'm going with the first option, but as you can see...it looks like other people prefer the latter. i'm not saying i want the fish to lose, but i agree that south florida sports have STUNK recently and people should be going out to marlins games while they're still on top. if they stay on top, thats fine. but santana, perez, pelfrey, and maine... i wouldn't expect it to last with that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 i, as a diehard marlins fan, completely agree with that PBP article You shouldn't... because that article basically says "See them now while they're winning" and a) excuses poor attendance in general... and b) claims that this winning trend we've had this half month CANNOT last. There is nothing outside of the players themselves that determine that. And by having more people go to games, it may perhaps give the players even more motivation to play better. But when the article basically excuses apathy on the fan's part because the team probably isn't going to win the division (or 90 games) is ridiculous. This club could be a .500 ball club (could be better too) and having the payroll we do, and the restrictions we do, the team deserves to be cheered even more for finishing at or near .500 if it comes to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Sid Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 We can be pleasantly surprised by it and optimistic about the future of this team as the season progresses or we can be pessimistic and have no faith that the team will overachieve this year. I disagree. I think there are more options than those two extremes you presented. I'm a realist who is happy with the early season success, going along for the ride and hoping it continues; but I'm also aware that the Marlins being a great team this year is not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I'm not a George fan but he really didn't say anything that isn't true in this article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee Ball Bunt Machine Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I agree in not liking an article that just says "it's all downhill from here". It's not that anything is necessarily innaccurate is said about our team, but I mean we all expected this season to start off abysmally, and everyone talking about this team should just marvel at how well they've done it, and enjoy it WITHOUT talking about foolishness like "this can't last". Well nobody wins every game. But let me put a different way. Everyone expertly predicts that this team has to fall apart long term, probably sooner than later. But who predicted of all things that we would start this hot? If you couldn't predicted the first two weeks, what makes you think you can predict the next two weeks? or the last two weeks? People dismiss the fact that we are the only team over 500 in the NL East, pointing out wins over the Pirates and the Nats and abusing a struggling Roy Oswalt. But even if you do, consider this - Through the end of this month, we play only one team that is currently over 500, the Brewers. Everyone else is either recognized as one of the "not-so-good" teams like the Nats and the Pirates, or struggling and underperforming teams like the Braves and the Dodgers. And our pitching woes are overstated perhaps. Oly has been outstanding, Hendrickson has done well lately too (only 2 ER total since facing the Mets), I think the rest can at least keep us in striking range given how productive our offense has shown it can be. Nevermind that Mitre & Sanchez will come back later this year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I agree in not liking an article that just says "it's all downhill from here". It's not that anything is necessarily innaccurate is said about our team, but I mean we all expected this season to start off abysmally, and everyone talking about this team should just marvel at how well they've done it, and enjoy it WITHOUT talking about foolishness like "this can't last". Well nobody wins every game. But let me put a different way. Everyone expertly predicts that this team has to fall apart long term, probably sooner than later. But who predicted of all things that we would start this hot? If you couldn't predicted the first two weeks, what makes you think you can predict the next two weeks? or the last two weeks? People dismiss the fact that we are the only team over 500 in the NL East, pointing out wins over the Pirates and the Nats and abusing a struggling Roy Oswalt. But even if you do, consider this - Through the end of this month, we play only one team that is currently over 500, the Brewers. Everyone else is either recognized as one of the "not-so-good" teams like the Nats and the Pirates, or struggling and underperforming teams like the Braves and the Dodgers. And our pitching woes are overstated perhaps. Oly has been outstanding, Hendrickson has done well lately too (only 2 ER total since facing the Mets), I think the rest can at least keep us in striking range given how productive our offense has shown it can be. Nevermind that Mitre & Sanchez will come back later this year either. :notworthy Preach On Brudda :notworthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I agree in not liking an article that just says "it's all downhill from here". It's not that anything is necessarily innaccurate is said about our team, but I mean we all expected this season to start off abysmally, and everyone talking about this team should just marvel at how well they've done it, and enjoy it WITHOUT talking about foolishness like "this can't last". Well nobody wins every game. But let me put a different way. Everyone expertly predicts that this team has to fall apart long term, probably sooner than later. But who predicted of all things that we would start this hot? If you couldn't predicted the first two weeks, what makes you think you can predict the next two weeks? or the last two weeks? People dismiss the fact that we are the only team over 500 in the NL East, pointing out wins over the Pirates and the Nats and abusing a struggling Roy Oswalt. But even if you do, consider this - Through the end of this month, we play only one team that is currently over 500, the Brewers. Everyone else is either recognized as one of the "not-so-good" teams like the Nats and the Pirates, or struggling and underperforming teams like the Braves and the Dodgers. And our pitching woes are overstated perhaps. Oly has been outstanding, Hendrickson has done well lately too (only 2 ER total since facing the Mets), I think the rest can at least keep us in striking range given how productive our offense has shown it can be. Nevermind that Mitre & Sanchez will come back later this year either. :notworthy Preach On Brudda :notworthy +1. A big +1! I've been pushing the "Mark Hendrickson could surprise us" like since Feb, when we found out he has LASIK. And it's not like we've never been surprised by these same kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Why bother posting negative remarks on the board? Instead of being so oppressively pessimistic, try to enjoy the product that you get to watch. Baseball is a funny sport. Sometimes teams that should be dominant on paper, fail to fulfill on their promise. And, sometimes there are teams that come out and surprise you. Just enjoy what you have, and be optimistic about our guys. You never know, they could surprise you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djm305 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I still think Badenhop will get it together in one of his next 2 starts and emerge as one of our better starters. He has everything you need in a pitcher to be an ACE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyofCangelosi Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I still think Badenhop will get it together in one of his next 2 starts and emerge as one of our better starters. He has everything you need in a pitcher to be an ACE. Badenhop wasn;t bad, he allowed those home runs in a homer friendly park in his first ever start. He was pitchign strikes and has a lot of movement on his fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyofCangelosi Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I still think Badenhop will get it together in one of his next 2 starts and emerge as one of our better starters. He has everything you need in a pitcher to be an ACE. Badenhop wasn;t bad, he allowed those home runs in a homer friendly park in his first ever start. He was pitchign strikes and has a lot of movement on his fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I still think Badenhop will get it together in one of his next 2 starts and emerge as one of our better starters. He has everything you need in a pitcher to be an ACE. Ace is a bit much, let's leave it as, "He has everything you need in a pitcher to be successful" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey05Marlins Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I like Hop. He can be very serviceable for us this year. Mitre has shown if you have a good sinker, then you can get a lot of hitters out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMagnus Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Badenhop will be the diamond in the rough in the Cabrera/Willis deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knglover Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Why bother posting negative remarks on the board? Instead of being so oppressively pessimistic, try to enjoy the product that you get to watch. Baseball is a funny sport. Sometimes teams that should be dominant on paper, fail to fulfill on their promise. And, sometimes there are teams that come out and surprise you. Just enjoy what you have, and be optimistic about our guys. You never know, they could surprise you. When I read this I was hoping you would use the Tigers as a case in point. I totally agree with the opptomism side. I personally expected us to be fairly bad this year based on the roster, so what we are doing right now is just gravy baby! Sit back and enjoy and if at the end of the day we fall short of what the team set out to do then so be it. WE can play the what if game then, but until then enjoy the product for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainfish Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I agree in not liking an article that just says "it's all downhill from here". It's not that anything is necessarily innaccurate is said about our team, but I mean we all expected this season to start off abysmally, and everyone talking about this team should just marvel at how well they've done it, and enjoy it WITHOUT talking about foolishness like "this can't last". Well nobody wins every game. But let me put a different way. Everyone expertly predicts that this team has to fall apart long term, probably sooner than later. But who predicted of all things that we would start this hot? If you couldn't predicted the first two weeks, what makes you think you can predict the next two weeks? or the last two weeks? People dismiss the fact that we are the only team over 500 in the NL East, pointing out wins over the Pirates and the Nats and abusing a struggling Roy Oswalt. But even if you do, consider this - Through the end of this month, we play only one team that is currently over 500, the Brewers. Everyone else is either recognized as one of the "not-so-good" teams like the Nats and the Pirates, or struggling and underperforming teams like the Braves and the Dodgers. And our pitching woes are overstated perhaps. Oly has been outstanding, Hendrickson has done well lately too (only 2 ER total since facing the Mets), I think the rest can at least keep us in striking range given how productive our offense has shown it can be. Nevermind that Mitre & Sanchez will come back later this year either. :notworthy Preach On Brudda :notworthy +1. A big +1! I've been pushing the "Mark Hendrickson could surprise us" like since Feb, when we found out he has LASIK. And it's not like we've never been surprised by these same kids. Here's what Hendrickson said on the Marlins site today. Maybe you're right.I just had an idea of what I'm doing," the 6-foot-9 left-hander said. "I was seeing things more clearly. Just because I knew what I was wanting to throw doesn't mean that I was executing the pitch. The second phase is executing the pitch. That's usually the biggest problem with young pitchers is, they know what to throw, but they don't necessarily execute it the way they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Now if Hendrickson could magically wake up with a Hopper-esque sinker, I'd be very very happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Miami Fan- Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 We can be pleasantly surprised by it and optimistic about the future of this team as the season progresses or we can be pessimistic and have no faith that the team will overachieve this year. I disagree. I think there are more options than those two extremes you presented. I'm a realist who is happy with the early season success, going along for the ride and hoping it continues; but I'm also aware that the Marlins being a great team this year is not realistic. Being pleasantly surprised and optimistic about this team's future is not an extreme in my opinion. You can still be a realist and be optimistic at the same time. I was merely stating that fact that I am excited for this season. We'll win some, we'll lose some, but hopefully we'll have some fun along the way. That's what baseball is about, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champkind Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I found Greg Cote's article much more condescending. His line about everyone outside of Hanley being "change under the sofa" in the eyes of the rest of MLB is infurtiating. Because the rest of MLB would have no use for Hermedia,Uggla, or Willingham. What a douche. I've always thought of Cote as at best a peripheral sports fan who's too busy laughing at his own "intellectual" jokes. And the way LeBatard props him up as this incredibly witty writer is such a joke. Who knows where this team is headed. Our offense and bullpen should be solid all year. Our defense appears to be atleast acceptable. And our SP should bounce between frustrating and impressive all year. The fact is we're going to be breaking in youngsters and guys coming back from injury every couple starts all year. That means control issues and lack of innings. But these guys all have talent. Anytime our starters can provide a decent 6 innings the Marlins are a serious threat to win. That equates to somewhere between 75-80 wins. And cracking .500 wouldn't really be a total shock. I"m not ready to throw down a $1000 on the Vegas over for wins but I proably should be. We have a team with some great offensive players, a deep bullpen, and SP's with talent. I really like where this team is headed long term and we fans might just be in for a real pleasant surprise in 2008. Greg Cote is a tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I found Greg Cote's article much more condescending. His line about everyone outside of Hanley being "change under the sofa" in the eyes of the rest of MLB is infurtiating. Because the rest of MLB would have no use for Hermedia,Uggla, or Willingham. What a douche. Actually, he said the entire Marlins payroll is akin to change under the sofa for other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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