I agree with Erick, Hermida is still a young enough player who I believe has talent. I just wish he would be more aggressive sometimes.

 

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More aggression is the last thing that Treanor, Willingham, or Hermida requires. That is what is f***ing up their OBP potential.

 

 

Are you kidding me? Hermida comes to the plate like he doesn't have a care in the world. Sometimes he just stands back and watches perfect pitches go by him. He needs to learn to swing when it counts, because what usually happens is that he lets perfect pitches pass him then overcompensates and swings vigorously at ridiculous pitches.

 

I do not see this aggression that you are referring to in either Treanor, Willingham, or Hermida... what is your definition of aggression?

I do not see this aggression that you are referring to in either Treanor, Willingham, or Hermida... what is your definition of aggression?

 

Not sitting back and taking the walk, trying to force a fly ball when there is a man on 3rd rather than staying back and hitting to opposite field, chasing in hitters counts, etc. Hermida, Treanor, and Willingham would take walks if left to their own devices and the team would be better for it.

The Marlins have a franchise player (Hanley Ramirez), and young pitching depth throughout the organization. They can build around that. Dan Uggla isn't exactly a core player. If Miguel Cabrera wasn't a core player for this franchise...Uggla sure as hell isn't, either.

 

After Hanley...you have to wait. Hermida is a guy who could be intriguing, but he's never proven himself. Maybin...you gotta wait and see.

 

You gotta be patient, and wait for consistency out of your younger players. If not, every player on the roster is replaceable.

 

As far as what you can get for Uggla, at this point...plenty.

Cabrera had, has, and will continue to have issues fielding until he becomes a DH, probably in a year or two. I'm not gonna sit here and say that he isn't still a net positive for most any team, but there was a downside to him on top of the price he pulled in. That said, what if the team had signed him long-term, say after 2005, they probably could have done it for a lot less and still had him. But I'm rambling now, so I'll get to the point - Cabrera costed too much while also presenting the problem long term of his defense and where to play him relating of course to his weight issues. Uggla has enough flaws as a hitter to where he cannot command the same kind of money Cabrera did while not presenting the issues of being unable to bend down to field ground balls or being an otherwise immobile 3B with a great arm. Just consider that the Tigers gave up a while ago and just set him at 1B. My point is that it wouldn't be so logically inconsistent to have traded away Cabrera while keeping Dan Uggla.

 

You talk about giving guys a chance to prove themselves, but do we do that by getting rid of those who already have?

 

Since when is a player automatically a bust at the age of 24?

I haven't said he's a bust, but how long do we wait for him to develop? In his last year before free agency? Besides a nice Sept call up and one nice ? season last year, the guy has dissapointed. Whether or not he's a bust, he's clearly not ready. Hanley Ramirez is ready though, as the centerpiece of the team, to go to October and win a ring. Dan Uggla is ready to win a ring. JJ and Ricky are ready.

 

And again, my point is when are we playing for - when do we want to win? Do you get rid of the guys who are ready to go and wait for the ones who haven't come around? Or do you keep the guys who've produced and give someone else a chance to fill the shoes of the guys who haven't?

 

While people are writing threads about how terrible Uggla is doing, his slump this month still has with an OBP over 340 (for the month, not the season) while Hermida's OBP over the same time is below 300 and his SLG is below 250. I want Hermida to succeed as much as anyone who's a fan of this team, but I'm not gonna shy away from the fact that he's been a dissapointment, and that I don't want to replace all of our run-producers with hyped up young guys with great minor league numbers who then fail to produce year after year the way he has.

Can't blame him for that... there are a lot of other things you can blame him for. The fact he had 4 strikeouts in a game is one.

 

Today hit a hr and was called to stop halfway down the line, he didnt have many options.

 

 

He wasn't halfway down the line. Just coming into 3B, actually. That was a baserunning blunder all around. Jake for just jogging the bases to score left Uggla running close behind him. Bo was waving Jake in, then did put up the stop sign, but the timing had Uggla thinking he was being waved in also. That OF play was basically in front of Dan (he could see running from 2nd to 3rd that the play wasn't bobbled), so why he thought he was actually being waved in is questionable at best. It's not like he is suddenly some kind of speedster on the bases. I scored it as a base running blunder by both runners. If Bo puts that stop sign up any quicker Jake may have stopped and had Uggla run right up his butt.

the chance of being safe on a slide is very slim. And if he goes head first, he risks a hand injury. If he goes feet first, he risks getting beaned in the head his next at bat plus a bitching out from Fredi (who was a former catcher).

 

I certainly agree with the rest, but Uggla couldn't do much of anything right there. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and say ok, I can't do anything.

 

 

Why would sliding feet first be considered disrespectful? Trying your best to get that extra run in the middle of a divisional race? It's not as if feet first, automatically means spiking the catcher.

 

I don't see how that deserves a "bean to the head" or "bitching" from Fredi.

 

If the catcher was actually at the bag, then a slide would be the way to go. He wasn't. He was a few feet up the line.

Regardless of whatever Porter was doing with regard to Jacobs/Uggla on this particular play, can we agree that this idiot has made a multitude of bad decisions to send/not send runners all season long?

 

In the last 40 years, I've rarely seen a 3B coach as totally and absolutely useless. Wherever Fredi found him, he ought to send him back. Bring on Admin Bowa. He may be a total a$$hole, but at least he understands that when a LF bare-hands a hard-hit ball he's gonna easily throw you out at the plate and can manage to communicate that simple fact to a runner long before he gets anywhere near 3rd base.

 

Uggla may not be very bright, but that one wasn't his fault.

To suggest at this point in his career that Jeremy Hermida is anything but a disappointment and a chronic underachiever or Uggla has played healthy for three years when their histories show otherwise is just sticking your head in the sand.

 

It's easy to make these kinds of blanket statements but another to actually factually make the case for either.

I do not see this aggression that you are referring to in either Treanor, Willingham, or Hermida... what is your definition of aggression?

 

Not sitting back and taking the walk, trying to force a fly ball when there is a man on 3rd rather than staying back and hitting to opposite field, chasing in hitters counts, etc. Hermida, Treanor, and Willingham would take walks if left to their own devices and the team would be better for it.

Aren't they walking at pretty much the same rate as their career rates?

have always liked uggla...prob since i met him in real life couple times and hes a great person. but i agree though what he has been doing is unacceptable...my dad has also been saying they should send him to triple a to learn a lesson. it is better to lose with a bad team but not with a team that has this much potential

 

Potential ? Where ???? This team is what it is....mediocre (at best) and will finish the year at .500 or several games below. That is potential ?

To suggest at this point in his career that Jeremy Hermida is anything but a disappointment and a chronic underachiever

 

Hmmmm, I said this in April/May in the Hermida thread and was called everything from a "frontrunner", to a "closet Mets fan", to a "hate monger" - maybe even a terrorist from Iran.

 

To hear this from 2003 I feel very vindicated, but sad because I wish Jeremy had proved me wrong. Too bad we will trade him, and not get anything close to front line talent for him. What a waste when we could have had some many other players in that draft that are solid contributors in the majors.

 

This is now where we are going to start seeing the bad drafting by Beinfest really take its toll on the team. In the last few years he has been dealing from a position of strength, because we had players that teams really coveted. Now as the talent pool has gotten considerably less his options are running out.

 

Welcome to the World of Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball :confused

have always liked uggla...prob since i met him in real life couple times and hes a great person. but i agree though what he has been doing is unacceptable...my dad has also been saying they should send him to triple a to learn a lesson. it is better to lose with a bad team but not with a team that has this much potential

 

Potential ? Where ???? This team is what it is....mediocre (at best) and will finish the year at .500 or several games below. That is potential ?

 

 

yes some of our younger players do have potential

We should still sign Uggla. The entire team is slumping, lets not pretend it is just Dan

We should still sign Uggla. The entire team is slumping, lets not pretend it is just Dan

Why? Then people won't have a convenient target to hate on. :brigginbounce

We should still sign Uggla. The entire team is slumping, lets not pretend it is just Dan

Why? Then people won't have a convenient target to hate on. :brigginbounce

 

If you don't count Baker (because he has so little time pre-all star) every player except Hermida has seen thier OPS decline post ASB, and some have seen a massive decline.

have always liked uggla...prob since i met him in real life couple times and hes a great person. but i agree though what he has been doing is unacceptable...my dad has also been saying they should send him to triple a to learn a lesson. it is better to lose with a bad team but not with a team that has this much potential

 

Potential ? Where ???? This team is what it is....mediocre (at best) and will finish the year at .500 or several games below. That is potential ?

 

 

You really have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to baseball

To suggest at this point in his career that Jeremy Hermida is anything but a disappointment and a chronic underachiever

 

Hmmmm, I said this in April/May in the Hermida thread and was called everything from a "frontrunner", to a "closet Mets fan", to a "hate monger" - maybe even a terrorist from Iran.

 

To hear this from 2003 I feel very vindicated, but sad because I wish Jeremy had proved me wrong. Too bad we will trade him, and not get anything close to front line talent for him. What a waste when we could have had some many other players in that draft that are solid contributors in the majors.

 

This is now where we are going to start seeing the bad drafting by Beinfest really take its toll on the team. In the last few years he has been dealing from a position of strength, because we had players that teams really coveted. Now as the talent pool has gotten considerably less his options are running out.

 

Welcome to the World of Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball :confused

 

 

 

Pittsburg Pirates? Are they rebuilding while winning at the same time? i dont think so. This is gonna be a special team in the future.

To suggest at this point in his career that Jeremy Hermida is anything but a disappointment and a chronic underachiever

 

Hmmmm, I said this in April/May in the Hermida thread and was called everything from a "frontrunner", to a "closet Mets fan", to a "hate monger" - maybe even a terrorist from Iran.

 

To hear this from 2003 I feel very vindicated, but sad because I wish Jeremy had proved me wrong. Too bad we will trade him, and not get anything close to front line talent for him. What a waste when we could have had some many other players in that draft that are solid contributors in the majors.

 

This is now where we are going to start seeing the bad drafting by Beinfest really take its toll on the team. In the last few years he has been dealing from a position of strength, because we had players that teams really coveted. Now as the talent pool has gotten considerably less his options are running out.

 

Welcome to the World of Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball :confused

 

 

 

Pittsburg Pirates? Are they rebuilding while winning at the same time? i dont think so. This is gonna be a special team in the future.

Don't worry, this Iraqi Insurgent is also a Philly fan.

The problem here is (when it comes to draft picks) you're playing the result so the odds are stacked in your favor.

 

The same thing happens on every other club. It's like "firesales". Billy Beane has conducted more firesales than any GM in history. I's almost an annual event, but when he does it he's "retooling". When there's talk of the Marlins jettisoning a underperforming Mike Jacobs (with a Jorge Cantu or Gaby sanchez waiting in the wings) or even a Jeremy Hermida or a Kevin Gregg, it's a "firesale".

I Honestly Belive the Homerun Derby f***ed his swing up even more than it was before

And the ankle injury was like injury over insult. (i kno the saying is backwars)

To suggest at this point in his career that Jeremy Hermida is anything but a disappointment and a chronic underachiever

 

Hmmmm, I said this in April/May in the Hermida thread and was called everything from a "frontrunner", to a "closet Mets fan", to a "hate monger" - maybe even a terrorist from Iran.

 

To hear this from 2003 I feel very vindicated, but sad because I wish Jeremy had proved me wrong. Too bad we will trade him, and not get anything close to front line talent for him. What a waste when we could have had some many other players in that draft that are solid contributors in the majors.

 

This is now where we are going to start seeing the bad drafting by Beinfest really take its toll on the team. In the last few years he has been dealing from a position of strength, because we had players that teams really coveted. Now as the talent pool has gotten considerably less his options are running out.

 

Welcome to the World of Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball :confused

 

 

 

theres 3 reasons we are not the pitsburg pirates

 

1) we are actually gonna be realtivley over 500

2) we have good talent for a young team

3)we dont have as nice as a stadium and still get a better crowd

To suggest at this point in his career that Jeremy Hermida is anything but a disappointment and a chronic underachiever

 

Hmmmm, I said this in April/May in the Hermida thread and was called everything from a "frontrunner", to a "closet Mets fan", to a "hate monger" - maybe even a terrorist from Iran.

 

To hear this from 2003 I feel very vindicated, but sad because I wish Jeremy had proved me wrong. Too bad we will trade him, and not get anything close to front line talent for him. What a waste when we could have had some many other players in that draft that are solid contributors in the majors.

 

This is now where we are going to start seeing the bad drafting by Beinfest really take its toll on the team. In the last few years he has been dealing from a position of strength, because we had players that teams really coveted. Now as the talent pool has gotten considerably less his options are running out.

 

Welcome to the World of Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball :confused

 

 

 

theres 3 reasons we are not the pitsburg pirates

 

1) we are actually gonna be realtivley over 500

2) we have good talent for a young team

3)we dont have as nice as a stadium and still get a better crowd

 

 

Sorry to say, but they get a better crowd. We're last, they're second to last. If we had the stadium they had we would draw more though. :thumbup

We should still sign Uggla. The entire team is slumping, lets not pretend it is just Dan

 

 

Then again, Jacobs, Hammer, and everyone else struggling has gotten their share of bashing, and unlike the other guys, Uggla has also made crucial baserunning mistakes.

 

You're right...lets not pretend it is just Dan. Lets also not pretend that Dan isn't one of the main reasons that the team is struggling.

Sorry to say, but they get a better crowd. We're last, they're second to last. If we had the stadium they had we would draw more though. :thumbup

 

 

yea thats sad though because they have like a top 5 stadium and they draw sh*t while we get fans in a crappy location and its a football field

Welcome to the World of Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball :confused

 

 

Just explain to me, oh wise one...how does this prediction make any sense?

I already told you Hanley would stay past July 31st, and I was right. He will stay long-term.

I hope you're not the type of person who is ready to call it a "fire sale" when some of the replaceable players on this team, head for the exits.

 

Are you seriously comparing the 2 organizations? Marlins and Pirates??

 

Wow...

If the Marlins can trade Uggla for a young top reliever, go for it.

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