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And his name...is DAN UGLY!

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yea thats sad though because they have like a top 5 stadium and they draw sh*t while we get fans in a crappy location and its a football field

 

a) The Marlins have poor attendance.

b) The Pirates have had a record UNDER .500 for a decade and a half + now. It's not as if they have much to see...you can have the most beautiful stadium; at the end of the day, people go to see their team / the results.

a) The Marlins have poor attendance.

b) The Pirates have had a record UNDER .500 for a decade and a half + now. It's not as if they have much to see...you can have the most beautiful stadium; at the end of the day, people go to see their team / the results.

 

 

I beg to differ.

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a) The Marlins have poor attendance.

b) The Pirates have had a record UNDER .500 for a decade and a half + now. It's not as if they have much to see...you can have the most beautiful stadium; at the end of the day, people go to see their team / the results.

 

 

I beg to differ.

 

About?

a) The Marlins have poor attendance.

b) The Pirates have had a record UNDER .500 for a decade and a half + now. It's not as if they have much to see...you can have the most beautiful stadium; at the end of the day, people go to see their team / the results.

 

 

I beg to differ.

 

About?

 

 

That.

We should still sign Uggla. The entire team is slumping, lets not pretend it is just Dan

 

 

Then again, Jacobs, Hammer, and everyone else struggling has gotten their share of bashing, and unlike the other guys, Uggla has also made crucial baserunning mistakes.

 

You're right...lets not pretend it is just Dan. Lets also not pretend that Dan isn't one of the main reasons that the team is struggling.

 

Dan, Hanley, Cantu, Hammer, and Cody all have major OPS drops from pre-ASB figures. The team's offense is in a collective pit.

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a) The Marlins have poor attendance.

b) The Pirates have had a record UNDER .500 for a decade and a half + now. It's not as if they have much to see...you can have the most beautiful stadium; at the end of the day, people go to see their team / the results.

 

 

I beg to differ.

 

About?

 

 

That.

 

Really? Care to explain?

For all the stuff said about the stadium, there was no problem getting over 70,000 in the World Series. Look at the Rays...all of the sudden, they have fans going to the games. Wonder why... :rolleyes:

 

You win, they go. (not every fanbase is the Cubs fanbase).

 

The Pirates haven't even gotten to mediocrity for a decade in a half now. Their fans held a "walkout" last year to show a statement to management. You really think the Pirates have a HORRIBLE FANBASE?

I disagree with this idea that players can't stay productive into and through their 30s. Honestly if we signed Uggla for 4 years which would be till he is 32, do you think his production would get so bad? Which second basemen have such huge drop-offs in production when they turn 30? I agree about Jacobs and Willingham, as much about their age as the fact that niether has shown over time that they can say consistently healthy, although Jake has done a lot better this year. I think Cody, even then, will still be cheap, and if you can line him up to play LF (or RF) besides Maybin for a while, why not?

 

McPherson has had major injury trouble and isn't any younger. I would think Matt Dominguez is ultimately the future at 3B, but in the meantime we'd like to have someone more stable and productive holding that spot.

At least with the IF I look at it like this - our IF realistically can (and should) set records for power offensive production. And if Jacobs can actually show that he can stay healthy for another season (assuming we can keep him cheap), why tinker with things anymore than you have to? I don't expect we'll be able to keep Cantu, so 3B might be open to a Sanchez or McPherson.

 

Still, I'm disturbed by the hurry every one seems to always be in to dump our two RBI leaders (Jacobs and Uggla).

 

We were in first place most of the first half of the season with the 7.00 ERA squad. And we're struggling now with a solid rotation. I imagine you were a fan here back in 2005, and if you remember that year, I can only wonder how you can minimize the importance of offense. And I disagree with the assertion that Uggla (if not everyone else)'s offensive production is or will be interchangeable with that of players, many of whom have little to no MLB experience. Especially Uggla, who has produced and stayed healthy every year. For all the beautiful minor league numbers some of these guys have, you never know which one will come up and be the next Jeremy Hermida.

Replying in turn, I don't disagree players stay productive into their 30s, but not our guys. Look at the contact rates. It's whiff city, and besides Uggla and Willingham, they don't walk or have any shred of plate discipline. It's just very unlikely they continue the HR barrage season after season when these hitters have such glaring weaknesses. They aren't going to improve, ala a 24 year old Hermida who should be mountains better. They are who they are at this point. Sure, all of them are starting caliber players, but they aren't cornerstone guys where it matters if they stay around. You mention Cody, and his .804 OPS, shifting to LF. Cool, I have no problem with that. But if he is going to cost $2.5+ in arbitration, we can easily find another LF in free agency that is around that production wise, cheaper, and platoon him with John Raynor which could pay even bigger dividends. While netting something back for Cody in trade.

 

Dominguez is years away, not even on the radar. McPherson could easily replace Jacobs sub .800 OPS instantly. He'll slap bombs and walk a ton. This is my point. These guys are replaceable, and we have tons of people who realistically can do this in AA/AAA. Gaby Sanchez could easily hit a high 700 OPS next year, and provide much more consistency with his AVG/BB potential versus the all or nothing nature of Mike Jacobs. Replacing the corner guys isn't a problem. Slotting Maybin in CF is not a problem. Uggla is mildly problematic as you point out. Coghlan is obviously not going to hit the 80 XBH, but it's a cost versus getting more production elsewhere. 1B, SS, 3B, and LF should stay relatively the same. CF, RF, and C should be up from 08 levels, with 2B the only one going down. That's the only way you can account for Uggla's bombs. Spreading it out, saving money, getting prospects, buying a hot bench. I'm not minimizing the importance of offense. We can literally replace it. Not a big deal in the short or long term picture. We have offense coming up the pipeline big time (Morrison, Stanton, Dominguez, Skipworth) after this next wave. We're in great shape.

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Now where is Erick to degrade Uggla as a player?.Like i said it was just a "slump".

 

 

Ummm...here. Would you like to tell me something?

I don't believe it was slump. I believe Uggla is a streaky hitter. Just like Jacobs. Just like Cody Ross. Only difference is Uggla puts up better #'s and does it as a 2B, so at the end of the day...there aren't too many 2B who put up his power #'s, if any at all.

I still want us to sign uggla. If we get rid of a few of the other guys like jake who k alot then uggla's k'ing alot wont be so bad imo.

I wouldnt be against say a 3 year deal especially if it were at a reasonable price(there in lies the problem).

To suggest at this point in his career that Jeremy Hermida is anything but a disappointment and a chronic underachiever

 

Hmmmm, I said this in April/May in the Hermida thread and was called everything from a "frontrunner", to a "closet Mets fan", to a "hate monger" - maybe even a terrorist from Iran.

 

To hear this from 2003 I feel very vindicated, but sad because I wish Jeremy had proved me wrong. Too bad we will trade him, and not get anything close to front line talent for him. What a waste when we could have had some many other players in that draft that are solid contributors in the majors.

 

This is now where we are going to start seeing the bad drafting by Beinfest really take its toll on the team. In the last few years he has been dealing from a position of strength, because we had players that teams really coveted. Now as the talent pool has gotten considerably less his options are running out.

 

Welcome to the World of Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball :confused

 

Maybe you should actually check what our draft picks have been doing since 2002 before you post something like this. Or do you consider a draft a failure if the player dosen't automatically don the MLB uniform and start producing??

 

Just another unwarranted, hate filled post. Pirates??? Gimme a break.

i love the production of uggla! and i wish we could somehow keep him and move up coghlan but i feel the marlins are gonna trade him away as he nears his peak in production. although im intersted to see who we can get from uggla and cantu.

 

i see 2009 as

 

 

c- baker

1b- jakey jakey eggs and bakey/gaby sanchez

2b- coghlan/trade

3b- mcdallas

ss- han-a-ram-a-ding-dong

lf- raynor/ hammer

cf- ross the boss/ cammy

rf- hermy or trade

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