Erick, once again the fact that you don't know what you're talking about does not mean I have to lift a finger to assist you. Nor, unless you're calling me a liar, do I have to back up every word I say here when all of it is in the archives of this website and if you weren't so lazy you would have found all by yourself.

 

There's no losing an argument on this kid. That's your usual gambit. Really you trot that out all the time and it's just not anyone's job here to be your mentor. Get off your a** and find it for yourself.

Isn't it past your bedtime? There's no comparison between Cliff Floyd and Wes Helms. It isn't even close.

 

 

Do you have anything relevant to your little theory to add? Or is this your "man, I lost the argument, let me comeback with a kid joke, since I know he's only a teenager." Bravo. I hear people your age have bedtimes too. Isn't it past yours?

 

Oh wait...almost forgot. You work for the organization. That is how you KNOW for a FACT that this team isn't even looking at Cliff Floyd as a possibility right now. How dare we question that fact opinion? Keep up the good work, sir.

 

thanks for proving my point that you are an a** hole. Can't ever let anything go. GIVE IT UP

Cliff Floyd wanted to be a Marlin before the 2008 season started.My friend ran into Cliff Floyd, Dmitri Young, Dontrelle Willis and Juan Pierre at the airport heading to some MLB meeting.Cliff Floyd said he was trying to play for the Marlins because he wanted to be close to his mother.

 

1)Juan Pierre said the Marlins dont miss him and that it's all a business.

 

2)Dontrelle Willis was ghetto and acting up.

 

3)Dmitri Young was nice

Erick, once again the fact that you don't know what you're talking about does not mean I have to lift a finger to assist you. Nor, unless you're calling me a liar, do I have to back up every word I say here when all of it is in the archives of this website and if you weren't so lazy you would have found all by yourself.

 

There's no losing an argument on this kid. That's your usual gambit. Really you trot that out all the time and it's just not anyone's job here to be your mentor. Get off your a** and find it for yourself.

 

 

I know what he said...and you're still wrong. The fact you think the Marlins or any other team, for that matter, would completely rule out signing a player b/c of a "he said, she said" disagreement in the past is silly. It's a business and I'm sure the Marlins wouldn't mind signing Floyd if it meant helping their business (a.k.a a couple more wins for the upcoming year).

thanks for proving my point that you are an a** hole. Can't ever let anything go. GIVE IT UP

 

 

Oh God...of course the little nosy girl comes into one of my disagreements on this board, to bash me.

 

Here's a newsflash, Dim...I really don't give a rats ass what you think about me. We're not talking about my attitude, which I know you love to talk about so much. Would you like to talk about Cliff Floyd and the Marlins? That's what we're currently discussing.

I know what he said...and you're still wrong. The fact you think the Marlins or any other team, for that matter, would completely rule out signing a player b/c of a "he said, she said" disagreement in the past is silly. It's a business and I'm sure the Marlins wouldn't mind signing Floyd if it meant helping their business (a.k.a a couple more wins for the upcoming year).

 

You obviously have no idea what he did or what he said, none what's so ever. lololol

thanks for proving my point that you are an a** hole. Can't ever let anything go. GIVE IT UP

 

 

 

Oh God...of course the little nosy girl comes into one of my disagreements on this board, to bash me.

 

Here's a newsflash, Dim...I really don't give a rats ass what you think about me. We're not talking about my attitude, which I know you love to talk about so much. Would you like to talk about Cliff Floyd and the Marlins? That's what we're currently discussing.

 

Actually you aren't "discussing" anything, you're just throwing one of your hissy fits because you can't get what you want.

I know what he said...and you're still wrong. The fact you think the Marlins or any other team, for that matter, would completely rule out signing a player b/c of a "he said, she said" disagreement in the past is silly. It's a business and I'm sure the Marlins wouldn't mind signing Floyd if it meant helping their business (a.k.a a couple more wins for the upcoming year).

 

You obviously have no idea what he did or what he said, none what's so ever. lololol

 

 

Does it matter? Wes Helms said stuff too...yet, he wanted to comeback and the Marlins brought him back b/c he filled a need.

 

Right now, the Marlins have a need for a left-handed bat off the bench. Cliff Floyd can be that guy, and for what it's worth (since I know you like all this little gossip talking), Cliff Floyd has said on multiple occasions that he'd welcome a return to the Marlins, to end his career here.

 

To suggest the Marlins would completely rule out the possibility is simply ignorant.

Actually you aren't "discussing" anything, you're just throwing one of your hissy fits because you can't get what you want.

 

I'm not discussing anything b/c you're not really saying anything.

I already proved my point...and you still haven't countered. Wes Helms said stuff after his first departure...the Marlins brought him back. Why not Floyd? B/c he said stuff in the past? He's also said he'd welcome a return here, to end his career. Does that make you feel any better about the possibility?

 

Expected Response: "You don't know what he said...do your research...it's past your bedtime!"

And then I'll say what he said in the past is irrelevant...b/c really, it is.

 

Seriously, we can do this all night.

While I agree with Erick on the sentiment that it's foolish to ever rule anything out completely... I found an article relating to what Marlins2003 was referencing... and had to sign up for this site to do it... so you guys owe me for the spam I'm gonna get... :lol

 

Floyd may be open to Marlins reunion.

 

Source: South Florida Sun-Sentinel (via Knight-Ridder/Tribune News Service)

Publication Date: 19-NOV-02

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Floyd may be open to Marlins reunion.

 

Byline: Mike Berardino

 

MIAMI _ Quick, somebody grab a fire extinguisher.

 

Two months ago, after blasting the Florida Marlins organization for a variety of perceived sins and saying, "That's one bridge I'm not afraid to burn," free-agent slugger Cliff Floyd might be ready to reconcile.

 

According to an industry source, Seth Levinson, who represents the former Marlins outfielder, called club owner Jeffrey Loria this week to present him with the possibility of a Floyd homecoming. Levinson refused comment when reached Tuesday, but a source close to Loria described the owner as "intrigued" by the notion.

 

Told of Floyd's possible change of heart, another Marlins source laughed and said: "Really? That's interesting. That's very interesting."

 

Floyd, who finished last season with Boston, is mulling a three-year offer from the Red Sox in the $22 million range. The Mets, Phillies, Orioles, Yankees and Devil Rays also have expressed interest in Floyd, who is waiting to see what happens with first baseman Jim Thome, the top slugger on the free-agent market.

 

Unlike the Marlins, several of those teams either play on artificial turf or would want Floyd to play first base, a position he abandoned after a career-threatening collision in 1995. Floyd's balky knees didn't respond well to a three-week trial on Montreal's carpet in July.

 

Floyd is believed to be seeking a four-year deal in the $40 million range but might take less to return to the Marlins.

 

Before he could return, Floyd might have to repair relations with Marlins President David Samson, of whom he was extremely critical in a mid-September interview with the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. Floyd said Samson, Loria's stepson, was "the worst guy in the world" and "not good for baseball."

 

"It's almost to the point if all the other teams in the game said, `We don't want to sign Cliff Floyd,' and the Marlins did, I wouldn't go," Floyd said then. "I'd retire or go to Japan."

 

Floyd did not immediately return a phone message Tuesday.

 

If Thome accepts the Phillies' reported offer of $75 million for five years, the spotlight would then find Floyd. While he could almost certainly make more money in Baltimore or New York, friends say Floyd's heart remains in South Florida.

 

Before he was traded in July, Floyd wanted to sign a second long-term deal with the Marlins. He makes his year-round home in Plantation, enjoyed his Marlins teammates while with the club the past six seasons, and his younger brother Julius, a football standout at South Plantation High, recently moved in with him.

 

As was the case in July, Floyd, 29, might be willing to heavily backload a deal with the Marlins, who are on the hook for $23.5 million to Mike Hampton the next three seasons while he pitches for the division rival Atlanta Braves. While that obligation, finalized Monday, severely hampers the Marlins' efforts to fill their left-handed power void, they might have more wiggle room than some think.

 

Including the $7 million they must send to Atlanta next season, the Marlins have a projected payroll of about $46 million. That's $2 million below the targeted figure Loria set last month and would include keeping all 12 of their arbitration-eligible players.

 

Under one scenario, they could choose not to offer contracts to outfielder Eric Owens (a projected $2 million savings) and pitcher Carl Pavano (another $1.2 million) and trade starting left fielder Kevin Millar (projected $1.8 million), and suddenly have $7 million to spend on a talented piece in 2003.

 

Or they could deal first baseman Derrek Lee and move Millar to first, freeing up even more money for a run at Floyd, who hit .288 with 28 home runs and 79 RBI in a disjointed 2002 season. The former Marlins team leader would fit nicely back in his old No. 3 lineup spot with speedsters Luis Castillo and Juan Pierre batting ahead of him.

 

As delicious as it sounds, several factors diminish the odds of a Floyd return.

 

With only Pierre, their new center fielder, under contract beyond next season, the Marlins believe financial flexibility is their greatest asset and would rather not tie up future millions in a single player when their future is so uncertain.

 

Also, they have already targeted a handful of less-expensive outfield options, all of whom hit left-handed and could play left field. That list could include Boston's Trot Nixon, whom they tried to deal for last month; Minnesota's Jacque Jones, Oakland's Terrence Long and Detroit's Robert Fick.

 

Nixon's salary figures to climb to about $4 million next year through arbitration, while Jones and Long might land in the $3 million range. Fick figures to cost about $2.3 million through the same process.

 

Signing Floyd also would cost the Marlins their first-round draft pick next June, which would be 16th overall.

 

A Marlins source said published speculation about the Pirates' Brian Giles, still due $37 million over the next four years, is off the mark. No other big-ticket free agents would seem to be a fit at this time.

 

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? 2002 South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

 

Visit the Sun-Sentinel on the World Wide Web at http://www.sun-sentinel.com/

 

Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services.

Oh darn someone beat Erick to it.

 

And that doesn't even mention his comments about them being a minor league franchise without him. Too bad it made such good reading.

Here's what Floyd said about the Marlins organization, that was so terrible.

 

"What are we doing? Are we playing for our stats? Do guys who are about to become free agents become selfish players now? After this season, I'll definitely weigh my options. A lot of people in front (owners) have done what's best for them. As players, we've got to do what's best for us. I thought we had what it took to win 10 to 15 more games last year. But we didn't. We really got caught up in the stadium situation, things that we had no control over. If we let this stuff become a distraction, it can be--again. We've talked about it a lot. We're not going to let it happen, for sure. This team is too good to be in the position where we were at last year."

 

 

HE'S ALSO SAID (on October 23rd, 2007...= more recent news):

 

"I would love to come to the Marlins. You know how far we go back," said Floyd.

 

 

All irrelevant...but hey, at least I did my research! :cool

None of that is really worse than what Helms said a year before he came back.

Oh darn someone beat Erick to it.

 

And that doesn't even mention his comments about them being a minor league franchise without him. Too bad it made such good reading.

 

 

And yet, the article mentions how Loria was "intrigued by the notion of a Floyd return." Yep...it's certainly not a possibility. This certainly isn't a business. :lol

 

Also funny how you've failed to mention what he's said years afterward.

 

Keep up with the ignorance, though. You're becoming pretty good at only looking at one side of things.

None of that is really worse than what Helms said a year before he came back.

 

 

YES IT IS!

Here's what Floyd said about the Marlins organization, that was so terrible.

 

"What are we doing? Are we playing for our stats? Do guys who are about to become free agents become selfish players now? After this season, I'll definitely weigh my options. A lot of people in front (owners) have done what's best for them. As players, we've got to do what's best for us. I thought we had what it took to win 10 to 15 more games last year. But we didn't. We really got caught up in the stadium situation, things that we had no control over. If we let this stuff become a distraction, it can be--again. We've talked about it a lot. We're not going to let it happen, for sure. This team is too good to be in the position where we were at last year."

 

 

HE'S ALSO SAID (on October 23rd, 2007...= more recent news):

 

"I would love to come to the Marlins. You know how far we go back," said Floyd.

 

 

All irrelevant...but hey, at least I did my research! :cool

 

You missed all the good stuff. You didn't see where he called ownership worse than carpetbaggers? You got to dig deeper Erick.

 

Try searching on his 2002 contract demands.

Here's what Floyd said about the Marlins organization, that was so terrible.

 

"What are we doing? Are we playing for our stats? Do guys who are about to become free agents become selfish players now? After this season, I'll definitely weigh my options. A lot of people in front (owners) have done what's best for them. As players, we've got to do what's best for us. I thought we had what it took to win 10 to 15 more games last year. But we didn't. We really got caught up in the stadium situation, things that we had no control over. If we let this stuff become a distraction, it can be--again. We've talked about it a lot. We're not going to let it happen, for sure. This team is too good to be in the position where we were at last year."

 

 

HE'S ALSO SAID (on October 23rd, 2007...= more recent news):

 

"I would love to come to the Marlins. You know how far we go back," said Floyd.

 

 

All irrelevant...but hey, at least I did my research! :cool

 

You missed all the good stuff. You didn't see where he called ownership worse than carpetbaggers? You got to dig deeper Erick.

 

Try searching on his 2002 contract demands.

 

 

So we're looking at what PWG posted correct?

Your argument here is that there is basically ZERO chance that Floyd returns. Yet, Floyd expressed interest in returning to end his career here...and according to the same article that PWG put up...a source says "Loria is intrigued by the notion of a possible return."

 

So why is it soooooooooo impossible to think of a possible return for Floyd?

How is this soooooooooooooo much worse than what Wes Helms said?

And did you notice the date on that article? 2002 Erick. It's been six years and he hasn't been invited back yet. In fact his overtures over the last year or so have been spurned.

 

And that doesn't even include the stuff he said in 2003, 2004, 2005 and into 2006.

AND WE ARE INTERESTED IN COLE HAMELS, HMMMMMM, EXACTLY! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

And did you notice the date on that article? 2002 Erick. It's been six years and he hasn't been invited back yet. In fact his overtures over the last year or so have been spurned.

 

 

And?

Ever think of the fact that maybe the Marlins didn't see the need to acquire Floyd? The fact that the Marlins now DO need a Cliff Floyd to fill the role Gonzo provided last year?

 

Just b/c he hasn't been brought back doesn't mean much. Teams have different needs at different times.

Yes Erick, I'll say it again - Cliff Floyd has zero chance of ever stepping foot in the Marlins clubhouse unless he comes by during Fanfest.

 

He spent five years not just burning that bridge but doing it again and again and again.

AND WE ARE INTERESTED IN COLE HAMELS, HMMMMMM, EXACTLY! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

Yes Erick, I'll say it again - Cliff Floyd has zero chance of ever stepping foot in the Marlins clubhouse unless he comes by during Fanfest.

 

He spent five years not just burning that bridge but doing it again and again and again.

 

Do you understand how silly that sounds?

Did you, conveniently, ignore the parts that didn't fit your argument in that article PWG posted?

 

Jeffrey Loria runs a business. His business has a specific need...and it fits his "payroll limitations." Yet...Jeffrey Loria WON'T EVEN CONSIDER THIS b/c of something that was said in the past. Seriously...silly stuff.

Yes Erick, I'll say it again - Cliff Floyd has zero chance of ever stepping foot in the Marlins clubhouse unless he comes by during Fanfest.

 

 

And what happens if he does Marlins2003? Just curious what you would say?

 

Listen Marlins2003, I don't think he will sign back with the Marlins, but if he fits a need and can be signed cheaper than any other option and the FO does not do it just because of some words spoken 6 years ago...that shows that this FO is selfish, does not care about the fans and they put their own petty interests above winning. If you work in a million dollar business you can't be that sensitive, Marlins2003.

You continue to show how little you know about the subject at hand.

 

I can just hear it now, "Ohhhhhh Cliff, we know you can barely walk and the Rays have no use for you after they cut you from their roster before the World Series, and yeah we know you can barely play a half a season and haven't played a whole one since 2005, and yeah we remember what you called David and calling the team minor league without you, and demanding $40 million or ownership was a bunch of carpetbaggers and that you openly admitted you rooted against the Marlins in the 2003 World Series, not for the Yankees, just against the Marlins, and we're going to try and ignore that I'd go to Japan before I'd play for the Marlins remark after the Red Sox dumped you because...oh Cliffiepoo...we need you so much."

 

Yeah I can just hear that conversation taking place.