It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10.

Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them.

 

Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night.

 

Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close.

 

Not defending Bonifacio because he sucks but Coghlan is almost as bad if not more so when you factor defense but everyone loves him. Strange.

 

The Coghlan/Bonifacio comparisons keep coming up but there is a huge difference between the two. Even with the low batting average that he has, which is a lot likelier to improve than Bonifacio's really is, Coghlan is still out .OBPing Bonifacio by almost 50 points (.343 to .291 before today). Coghlan is simply a walking machine and his .OBP is respectable. And while Coghlan isn't stellar in LF, he makes the routine plays and in LF thats really all you need to do. Bonifacio is leading the majors in errors and there is no such thing as a routine play for him. In fact, a lot of his bad plays haven't even been ruled errors but they are still balls that a halfway decent 3B should get to.

It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10.

Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them.

 

Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night.

 

Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close.

 

 

 

 

Statistics might indicate that this is a slight overstatement.

So your still trying to defend Bonifacio huh? Kind of sucks when your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on dont it?

So your still trying to defend Bonifacio huh? Kind of sucks when your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on dont it?

 

 

I'm doing well, thanks for asking.

 

Absolutist views are for simple minds. I generally try to be both realistic and intellectually honest. Read my previous post again. If you disagree with something specifically, then say so. Otherwise, I might not pay you the courtesy of responding to your [] posts.

So your still trying to defend Bonifacio huh? Kind of sucks when your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on dont it?

 

 

I'm doing well, thanks for asking.

 

Absolutist views are for simple minds. I generally try to be both realistic and intellectually honest. Read my previous post again. If you disagree with something specifically, then say so. Otherwise, I might not pay you the courtesy of responding to your [] posts.

You cant be "realistic" and "intellectually honest" and defend Bonifacio at the same time.

 

He is one of the worst defensive 3B in the league and he couldnt hit himself out of a wet paper bag. Honestly, what reasoing do you give for defending him?

You cant be "realistic" and "intellectually honest" and defend Bonifacio at the same time.

 

 

Really? What if someone said that EB was worse than every player on our AAA roster? In your esteemed assessment, would it be appropriate to defend him then? Sure, that is a more extreme example than saying he is "by far the worst starter in the bigs", but personally, I do not think either statement is true.

 

I think it is clear that in certain contexts it makes sense to defend someone even if overall, that person is not entirely satisfactory. One example of such a situation is when someone says something about them that might be untrue (like a degenerate criminal defendant that did not commit the crime he is being accused of). Thanks for making me spell all that out for you, though, apparently I didn't have anything better to do.

But what are people saying about him that is untrue, exactly? Give me some examples.

It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10.

Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them.

 

Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night.

 

Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close.

 

 

 

 

Statistics might indicate that this is a slight overstatement.

So your still trying to defend Bonifacio huh? Kind of sucks when your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on dont it?

 

so, do you read posts before replying to them?

honestly it's not bonifacio's fault he's been put in as the starting 3rd baseman. i think he'd be a successful pinch-hitter/pinch-runner but the front office wanted to go cheap and make a player who never played 3rd in his career as a starter on the major league team. what did you people expect bonifacio to do. put up a .300 BA and score 100 runs. blame the FO or fredi for being an idiot and not taking him out of the lineup instead of hating on bonifacio

It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10.

Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them.

 

Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night.

 

Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close.

 

 

 

 

Statistics might indicate that this is a slight overstatement.

So your still trying to defend Bonifacio huh? Kind of sucks when your argument doesnt have a leg to stand on dont it?

 

so, do you read posts before replying to them?

Yes, actually, I do. What exactly are people saying about Bonifacio that is wrong?

Yes, actually, I do. What exactly are people saying about Bonifacio that is wrong?

 

 

I'm not really sure you do sometimes.

Yes, actually, I do. What exactly are people saying about Bonifacio that is wrong?

 

 

I'm not really sure you do sometimes.

Why do you say that?

Yes, actually, I do. What exactly are people saying about Bonifacio that is wrong?

 

 

IMO A reasonable person would have asked that question first, before getting smarmy.

 

I was replying to the last sentence of the post that I quoted (what a concept!):

 

that he is the worst starter in the MLB and that it is not even close.

 

Stats put him towards the bottom of the league in many, if not all categories, but he is not last in any of them, let alone by a wide margin.

Yes, actually, I do. What exactly are people saying about Bonifacio that is wrong?

 

 

I'm not really sure you do sometimes.

Why do you say that?

 

Well, I practically begged you to respond to some of my posts in the Gaby discussion and you ignored them.

Well, then you have to correlate what other players appear towards the bottom of those lists. Beltre and Kouzminhoff would be the only 3B I would imagine are as close to being as bad as Bonifacio is, although they both play much better D.

 

Well, I practically begged you to respond to some of my posts in the Gaby discussion and you ignored them.

 

I answered you in the Gaby thread. A short reiteration, I am not the only person that doubts his power potential. It has been a worry among scouts and people who make projections for a while. I even took his AB/HR count and multiplied it by the average # of ABs a MLB 1B will get and factored in the tougher hitting environment of Dolphin Stadium, much like his poor year at Jupiter. I think you are looking at a 5-10 HR guy with 35-40 2Bs in his peak years who might sneak 15 HR if he has some luck on the road on any given year. Basically I think you will get run of the mill 2B production out of your 1B if Gaby is made the starter and think he would be much better served with a platoon.

Yes, actually, I do. What exactly are people saying about Bonifacio that is wrong?

 

 

IMO A reasonable person would have asked that question first, before getting smarmy.

 

I was replying to the last sentence of the post that I quoted (what a concept!):

 

that he is the worst starter in the MLB and that it is not even close.

 

Stats put him towards the bottom of the league in many, if not all categories, but he is not last in any of them, let alone by a wide margin.

 

He leads the Majors in Errors. That would make him last in that category

worst starting player, not 3B. and notice how I said "slight exaggeration"

 

hooked on phonics worked for me

He leads the Majors in Errors. That would make him last in that catergory

 

 

Yes, he does lead by 1 after tonight. I still do not think he is the worst defensive player in the majors, though. [edit 2... unacceptable but I still think he's a defensive upgrade at 3B over Cantu, who has 5 errors at 1st]

Well, then you have to correlate what other players appear towards the bottom of those lists. Beltre and Kouzminhoff would be the only 3B I would imagine are as close to being as bad as Bonifacio is, although they both play much better D.

 

 

Well, I practically begged you to respond to some of my posts in the Gaby discussion and you ignored them.

 

I answered you in the Gaby thread. A short reiteration, I am not the only person that doubts his power potential. It has been a worry among scouts and people who make projections for a while. I even took his AB/HR count and multiplied it by the average # of ABs a MLB 1B will get and factored in the tougher hitting environment of Dolphin Stadium, much like his poor year at Jupiter. I think you are looking at a 5-10 HR guy with 35-40 2Bs in his peak years who might sneak 15 HR if he has some luck on the road on any given year. Basically I think you will get run of the mill 2B production out of your 1B if Gaby is made the starter and think he would be much better served with a platoon or if a Petersen or Cousins can get their bats going stick them in LF and put Morrison back at his natural 1B.

 

YOU FUDGED THE f***ING NUMBERS!!!!!!!! AND YOU f***ING IGNORED ME WHEN I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT.

 

You're basing his entire career on his worst performances and completely ignoring his best ones.

 

Gaby Sanchez has been the same age as Cousins at every stop and has put up better numbers everywhere with the exception of Jupiter. You're faith in Cousins and Petersen is pretty misguided. I have very little doubt Gaby will be better than them.

 

But this is beside the point. You completely ignored every point I brought up in my phone post. You do this a lot.

bottom line is Bonifacio is a terrible ball player, and is very counter productive! He does not belong in the majors! Period!

worst starting player, not 3B. and notice how I said "slight exaggeration"

 

hooked on phonics worked for me

 

 

 

Instead of just saying "slight exaggeration..." I'd love to see you prove me wrong. Name the player(s).

Well, then you have to correlate what other players appear towards the bottom of those lists. Beltre and Kouzminhoff would be the only 3B I would imagine are as close to being as bad as Bonifacio is, although they both play much better D.

 

 

Well, I practically begged you to respond to some of my posts in the Gaby discussion and you ignored them.

 

I answered you in the Gaby thread. A short reiteration, I am not the only person that doubts his power potential. It has been a worry among scouts and people who make projections for a while. I even took his AB/HR count and multiplied it by the average # of ABs a MLB 1B will get and factored in the tougher hitting environment of Dolphin Stadium, much like his poor year at Jupiter. I think you are looking at a 5-10 HR guy with 35-40 2Bs in his peak years who might sneak 15 HR if he has some luck on the road on any given year. Basically I think you will get run of the mill 2B production out of your 1B if Gaby is made the starter and think he would be much better served with a platoon or if a Petersen or Cousins can get their bats going stick them in LF and put Morrison back at his natural 1B.

 

YOU FUDGED THE f***ING NUMBERS!!!!!!!! AND YOU f***ING IGNORED ME WHEN I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT.

 

You're basing his entire career on his worst performances and completely ignoring his best ones.

 

Gaby Sanchez has been the same age as Cousins at every stop and has put up better numbers everywhere with the exception of Jupiter. You're faith in Cousins and Petersen is pretty misguided. I have very little doubt Gaby will be better than them.

 

But this is beside the point. You completely ignored every point I brought up in my phone post. You do this a lot.

I didn't fudge any #s. 35 AB/HR is his career average. For an average # of at bats/year for a 1B(480) that would come to 13 HR/year, although I factored in the tougher hitters environment that is Dolphin Stadium. I didn't leave out his best years in any way. I didn't ignore you any more than you called me out on anything, the #s were legit. That is also the first time I have ever mentioned Cousins and Petersen.

worst starting player, not 3B. and notice how I said "slight exaggeration"

 

hooked on phonics worked for me

 

 

 

Instead of just saying "slight exaggeration..." I'd love to see you prove me wrong. Name the player(s).

 

4 players have lower OPSs

worst starting player, not 3B. and notice how I said "slight exaggeration"

 

hooked on phonics worked for me

 

 

Instead of just saying "slight exaggeration..." I'd love to see you prove me wrong. Name the player(s).

 

I would say he is fairly comparable to a guy like Yuniesky Betancourt, who has had a pretty substantial major league career. I hope that tickled your fancy.

Well, then you have to correlate what other players appear towards the bottom of those lists. Beltre and Kouzminhoff would be the only 3B I would imagine are as close to being as bad as Bonifacio is, although they both play much better D.

 

 

Well, I practically begged you to respond to some of my posts in the Gaby discussion and you ignored them.

 

I answered you in the Gaby thread. A short reiteration, I am not the only person that doubts his power potential. It has been a worry among scouts and people who make projections for a while. I even took his AB/HR count and multiplied it by the average # of ABs a MLB 1B will get and factored in the tougher hitting environment of Dolphin Stadium, much like his poor year at Jupiter. I think you are looking at a 5-10 HR guy with 35-40 2Bs in his peak years who might sneak 15 HR if he has some luck on the road on any given year. Basically I think you will get run of the mill 2B production out of your 1B if Gaby is made the starter and think he would be much better served with a platoon or if a Petersen or Cousins can get their bats going stick them in LF and put Morrison back at his natural 1B.

 

YOU FUDGED THE f***ING NUMBERS!!!!!!!! AND YOU f***ING IGNORED ME WHEN I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT.

 

You're basing his entire career on his worst performances and completely ignoring his best ones.

 

Gaby Sanchez has been the same age as Cousins at every stop and has put up better numbers everywhere with the exception of Jupiter. You're faith in Cousins and Petersen is pretty misguided. I have very little doubt Gaby will be better than them.

 

But this is beside the point. You completely ignored every point I brought up in my phone post. You do this a lot.

 

Bob he does it all the time he is useless and nobody in the forum should pay attention to anything he writes

Ontop of their lower OPS, Atkins has been one of the worst defensive 3bs for several years running

 

Giles is just as bad defensively, and Chris young is below average aswell