June 7, 200917 yr How about this... instead of blaming Bonifacio we can blame Gaby and Dallas for not winning the starting spot at third . No I blame the front office who made the move to get rid of Dallas, and make Bonifacio the 3b because of his spring... If Dallas was let go, and Gaby was demoted then why wasn't Hanley released he had a horrific spring! Really? You can't tell the difference between a bad spring from Hanley, who is a proven Major League player and a top SS in the game, and Dallas McPherson and Gaby Sanchez, who have proven nothing at the ML level?
June 7, 200917 yr How about this... instead of blaming Bonifacio we can blame Gaby and Dallas for not winning the starting spot at third . No I blame the front office who made the move to get rid of Dallas, and make Bonifacio the 3b because of his spring... If Dallas was let go, and Gaby was demoted then why wasn't Hanley released he had a horrific spring! That's fairly obvious. Not to mention, where the hell is Dallas now? Dallas, since being signed by SF and diagnosed by with back spasms hasn't even played an inning of baseball.
June 7, 200917 yr Author If Boston can sit down an All-Star like David Ortiz for struggling than the Marlins can sit down a bum like Bonifacio.
June 7, 200917 yr Gonzalez felt obligated to the team. "My responsibility as a manager is to one guy, Admin Beinfest," Gonzalez said. "I'm trying to make sure I write down his orders the best I can." ** **Edited
June 7, 200917 yr How about this... instead of blaming Bonifacio we can blame Gaby and Dallas for not winning the starting spot at third . No I blame the front office who made the move to get rid of Dallas, and make Bonifacio the 3b because of his spring... If Dallas was let go, and Gaby was demoted then why wasn't Hanley released he had a horrific spring! Really? You can't tell the difference between a bad spring from Hanley, who is a proven Major League player and a top SS in the game, and Dallas McPherson and Gaby Sanchez, who have proven nothing at the ML level? Well Dallas got hurt because he wasn't ready when the Giants signed him, and tried to rush his way into playing shape since the Marlins gave him no real playing time in Spring because they were so in love with Bonifacios speed that they forgot about him. Now he's working his way back, and the Giants expect to have him called up after the all star break. Maybe a bit later since he's got to prove again that he belongs... He hit 42 homeruns last year, and was good defensivly he should have got the chance, and if not him then Coghlan who had a terrific spring should have got the job over Bonifacio. If not Gaby or Dallas then Chris should have got it,a nd not some punching judy who has NEVER done anything in the minors worthy of getting the starting job. Dallas proved he could still hit, and the Marlins threw him away. And as for the Hanley thing I was being sarcastic... All im saying is that spring means nothing! If not then why has Nolasco been so awfull this year? He had a good spring! So did Anibal, and yet both have been terrible. Again SPRING MEANS NOTHING AT ALL! Spring is just for the players to get ready for the season, and as talent scouts you have to know who's a good player, and who's not, and whoever thinks bonifacio is any good should be fired from the marlins front office asap!
June 7, 200917 yr re Bonifacio's minor league record. He was a top prospect with the Dbacks. He made all star teams. Hit over .300 and stole many bases. His record is, was, and still is legit despite LM's and 77's claims. Look it up yourself on baseball reference. You'll also see he accomplished those many things at a respectable age for a prospect and under largely neutal conditions. However, as we know many talented prospects fail upon reaching the MLB level. It doesn't mean they're not talented or hopeless. They deserve our support and a fair trial at the MLB. I think most of us would agree that EB has had sufficient time to show his value to the club. And if there wee actually worthy replacements available to take his spot, it would be time to move on. Unfortunately injuries and the failings of other talented prospects have left the team to rely on EB
June 7, 200917 yr He was the 6th rated prospect by BA and 10th by Sickels in a very weak system that was heavily depleted by the Diamondbacks top guys going to the parent club. He was never projected to be anything more than a utility player at best.
June 7, 200917 yr also re McDallas specifically the assertion that a power bat deserves every oppt over a slap hitter. Normally I'd agree w/ you. But are you that ignorant of the team's off season plans? The team realized defense was a problem and that Hanley may be better suited in the mid of the order. EB represented an oppt to fulfill that plan. McD and Gaby were given a fair shot, and EB succeeded. Only after did the org find that in fact none of the 3 were ready re Acta favoring scrubs bc he was one? Take a look around the league, heck even the HOF or MOY alums, and you'll find most managers were marginal players.
June 7, 200917 yr For the second time this series Bonifacio goes 0-4. He finished the series 3 for 16 (.187). He is 9 for 43 in his last 11 games (.183). When is Freddi going to make the move? He is so bad, I aint gonna say anything about him.
June 7, 200917 yr If Boston can sit down an All-Star like David Ortiz for struggling than the Marlins can sit down a bum like Bonifacio. Its simple Tito Francona > Freddi Gonzalez.
June 7, 200917 yr also re McDallas specifically the assertion that a power bat deserves every oppt over a slap hitter. Normally I'd agree w/ you. But are you that ignorant of the team's off season plans? The team realized defense was a problem and that Hanley may be better suited in the mid of the order. EB represented an oppt to fulfill that plan. McD and Gaby were given a fair shot, and EB succeeded. Only after did the org find that in fact none of the 3 were ready re Acta favoring scrubs bc he was one? Take a look around the league, heck even the HOF or MOY alums, and you'll find most managers were marginal players. Well its a good thing we got Bonifacio for his defense...because he leads the team in errors.
June 7, 200917 yr Author For the second time this series Bonifacio goes 0-4. He finished the series 3 for 16 (.187). He is 9 for 43 in his last 11 games (.183). When is Freddi going to make the move? He is so bad, I aint gonna say anything about him. I think we should get everyone to sign a petition and send it to the Organization.
June 7, 200917 yr He was the 6th rated prospect by BA and 10th by Sickels in a very weak system that was heavily depleted by the Diamondbacks top guys going to the parent club. He was never projected to be anything more than a utility player at best. Sickels rated him in 07 too. 13th when their org was stacked. BA voted him best infield defender and baserunner in 07 and 08. He had a good minor league record (4 straight all star years, batted .300, stole bases). He was regarded far better than simply an utility guy. The Nats and Marlins both envisioned him in their starting lineup as their leadoff hitter. He was a legit prospect. That's certain. What isn't is prospects panning out.
June 7, 200917 yr He was regarded far better than simply an utility guy. Maybe by the Bowden led Nationals and Beinfest(who is in love with this type of player...i.e. has speed but no discernible baseball talent), but not by anyone else.
June 7, 200917 yr If Boston can sit down an All-Star like David Ortiz for struggling than the Marlins can sit down a bum like Bonifacio. lol Bonifacio is no BIG PAPI! He was the 6th rated prospect by BA and 10th by Sickels in a very weak system that was heavily depleted by the Diamondbacks top guys going to the parent club. He was never projected to be anything more than a utility player at best. Sickels rated him in 07 too. 13th when their org was stacked. BA voted him best infield defender and baserunner in 07 and 08. He had a good minor league record (4 straight all star years, batted .300, stole bases). He was regarded far better than simply an utility guy. The Nats and Marlins both envisioned him in their starting lineup as their leadoff hitter. He was a legit prospect. That's certain. What isn't is prospects panning out. MLB insiders on mlb.com called him nothing more then a PINCH RUNNER! That's all he's good for, and really he isn't that good at running the bases either.
June 7, 200917 yr re Bonifacio's minor league record. He was a top prospect with the Dbacks. He made all star teams. Hit over .300 and stole many bases. His record is, was, and still is legit despite LM's and 77's claims. Look it up yourself on baseball reference. You'll also see he accomplished those many things at a respectable age for a prospect and under largely neutal conditions. However, as we know many talented prospects fail upon reaching the MLB level. It doesn't mean they're not talented or hopeless. They deserve our support and a fair trial at the MLB. I think most of us would agree that EB has had sufficient time to show his value to the club. And if there wee actually worthy replacements available to take his spot, it would be time to move on. Unfortunately injuries and the failings of other talented prospects have left the team to rely on EB He also struck out way to much, and Arizona gave up on him because they saw that he would be nothing more then a career minor leaguer or a pinch runner utility guy in the bigs... He is not an everyday player, and his bad play ever since he's got to the major leagues proves that. HE HAS NEVER been good in the majors... This is his 3rd team now, and he still stinks!
June 8, 200917 yr He was the 6th rated prospect by BA and 10th by Sickels in a very weak system that was heavily depleted by the Diamondbacks top guys going to the parent club. He was never projected to be anything more than a utility player at best. Sickels rated him in 07 too. 13th when their org was stacked. BA voted him best infield defender and baserunner in 07 and 08. He had a good minor league record (4 straight all star years, batted .300, stole bases). He was regarded far better than simply an utility guy. The Nats and Marlins both envisioned him in their starting lineup as their leadoff hitter. He was a legit prospect. That's certain. What isn't is prospects panning out. If I'm not mistaken Miguel Fermin is an All Star in the FSL right now with a .456 OPS. I don't give a rat's ass about all star appearances in the minors and neither should anyone else. It's worthless. Someone here used to point out the number of All Star games Andino made in the minors, and guess what. It doesn't matter.
June 8, 200917 yr He was the 6th rated prospect by BA and 10th by Sickels in a very weak system that was heavily depleted by the Diamondbacks top guys going to the parent club. He was never projected to be anything more than a utility player at best. Sickels rated him in 07 too. 13th when their org was stacked. BA voted him best infield defender and baserunner in 07 and 08. He had a good minor league record (4 straight all star years, batted .300, stole bases). He was regarded far better than simply an utility guy. The Nats and Marlins both envisioned him in their starting lineup as their leadoff hitter. He was a legit prospect. That's certain. What isn't is prospects panning out. Sickels rated him C+ in both years. For a player in AAA, that's basically a bench player/fringe starter.
June 8, 200917 yr also re McDallas specifically the assertion that a power bat deserves every oppt over a slap hitter. Normally I'd agree w/ you. But are you that ignorant of the team's off season plans? The team realized defense was a problem and that Hanley may be better suited in the mid of the order. EB represented an oppt to fulfill that plan. McD and Gaby were given a fair shot, and EB succeeded. Only after did the org find that in fact none of the 3 were ready re Acta favoring scrubs bc he was one? Take a look around the league, heck even the HOF or MOY alums, and you'll find most managers were marginal players. It was plainly obvious even before spring that Bonifacio was going to have a much larger role than he deserved. There were articles coming out on the official site every week about how much the Marlins loved the way he did this or that, etc. We were all horrified by the unwarranted lovefest for a guy whose record shows that he was nothing special and thought he was going to be given Amezaga's job, with Fredo being pushed out of town to the highest bidder. Never at any time did we imagine that we could be seeing perhaps the worst regular in the entire league starting at 3B for us, especially considering how many options we actually had for the infield corners. Once ST started it became apparent that they were going to find some way to get him on the field. And its unfortunate that better players like Gaby and Dallas didn't get as fair of a shot, even more since both are natural corner infielders and Bonifacio isn't. But as bad as Bonifacio has been I don't expect it to change any time soon. And it's quite simple why- Beinfest & Co. can't ever own up to not being right on a trade, which unfortunately is happening an awful lot these days. Bonifacio is their way of being able to say that they didn't just plain give away Olsen & Hammer, which we all know that they did. That, and Bonicafio is supposed to epitomize the FO's new philosophy for this team- speed and defense. And to demote or bench Bonifacio would be them saying "maybe we were wrong about this whole speed and defense thing". I just pray to God we don't suffer a major injury to an important player down the line, not because it's gonna upset our practically non-existant playoff chances, but because it will give the organization. We all know how ridiculous Loria can be, but I hope in a fit of rage he actually holds someone accountable for sticking us with this crap after we stumbled upon so much talent in 2006.
June 8, 200917 yr It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10. Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them. Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night. Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close.
June 8, 200917 yr It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10. Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them. Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night. Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close. Not defending Bonifacio because he sucks but Coghlan is almost as bad if not more so when you factor defense but everyone loves him. Strange.
June 8, 200917 yr It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10. Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them. Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night. Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close. Statistics might indicate that this is a slight overstatement.
June 8, 200917 yr It's pretty sad that we're playing with 8 players every night, while the opponent gets 10. Bonifacio would be better off wearing the other team's jersey...he's already playing for them. Not only is he easily the worst offensive 3B in baseball...but now he seems to make an error every other night. Worst starting baseball player in MLB...and it's not even close. Not defending Bonifacio because he sucks but Coghlan is almost as bad if not more so when you factor defense but everyone loves him. Strange. Coghlan has more potential. Once his average goes up, it won't look so bad b/c unlike Bonifacio, he's a good .OBP guy. Pretty sad, however, that these are the 1st 2 hitters in our lineup.
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