July 20, 200917 yr Author what about nic ungs from AA? 5-2 2.00 era 30'ks 14 bb's He sucks He's 29 in AA and didn't have a job this season until we hired him because we needed warm bodies to fill out the Jax rotation sometime in May and he had had a long history in our org already. He'd still be mopping floors at Wal Mart if it wasn't for that. you cant suck with a 2.00 era. are you joking me? hes over a 2:1 k to bb You say this as if it's impressive.
July 20, 200917 yr When is West eligible to come back? He can take Miller's spot. But why? Miller just doesn't give the Marlins many chances to win, isn't that the whole point? True at this point he's a better choice than Koronko or Taylor,but unless he furthers his development he'll be at best a sub-.500 pitcher that taxes the Marlins bullpen just about every time he takes the mound. So, Sean West accomplishes all those things, but Andrew Miller doesn't? id much rather have miller than west
July 20, 200917 yr When is West eligible to come back? He can take Miller's spot. But why? Miller just doesn't give the Marlins many chances to win, isn't that the whole point? True at this point he's a better choice than Koronko or Taylor,but unless he furthers his development he'll be at best a sub-.500 pitcher that taxes the Marlins bullpen just about every time he takes the mound. So, Sean West accomplishes all those things, but Andrew Miller doesn't? Why do you continue to stick up for Miller are you related? I don't see him developing at MLB level, he needs to go down to the minors and learn how to pitch. If your comparing his stats with West's they're virtually the same across the board so by that merit yes both should be down in the bushes. IMO West gives the Marlins a chance to win now, where Miller again my opinion and not my undying devotion doesn't.
July 20, 200917 yr When is West eligible to come back? He can take Miller's spot. But why? Miller just doesn't give the Marlins many chances to win, isn't that the whole point? True at this point he's a better choice than Koronko or Taylor,but unless he furthers his development he'll be at best a sub-.500 pitcher that taxes the Marlins bullpen just about every time he takes the mound. So, Sean West accomplishes all those things, but Andrew Miller doesn't? Why do you continue to stick up for Miller are you related? I don't see him developing at MLB level, he needs to go down to the minors and learn how to pitch. If your comparing his stats with West's they're virtually the same across the board so by that merit yes both should be down in the bushes. IMO West gives the Marlins a chance to win now, where Miller again my opinion and not my undying devotion doesn't. Great idea, except you cant just take a guy out of the rotation, you have to replace him with someone. And miller is 20x more major league ready then west, which is saying a lot as miller isnt major league ready.
July 21, 200917 yr When is West eligible to come back? He can take Miller's spot. But why? Miller just doesn't give the Marlins many chances to win, isn't that the whole point? True at this point he's a better choice than Koronko or Taylor,but unless he furthers his development he'll be at best a sub-.500 pitcher that taxes the Marlins bullpen just about every time he takes the mound. So, Sean West accomplishes all those things, but Andrew Miller doesn't? Why do you continue to stick up for Miller are you related? I don't see him developing at MLB level, he needs to go down to the minors and learn how to pitch. If your comparing his stats with West's they're virtually the same across the board so by that merit yes both should be down in the bushes. IMO West gives the Marlins a chance to win now, where Miller again my opinion and not my undying devotion doesn't. Because you are talking out of your ass. How the hell can you trust Sean West more than Andrew Miller? The same Sean West that has 27 walks and 28 strikeouts. The main reason you "trust" West more than Miller is because lately Miller has had two bad starts.
July 21, 200917 yr Miller has had five bad starts since the injury and seven total: (PHI, ARI, TB, BOS, MIL, PIT, ATL) He only has five quality starts on the season. That's terrible for someone who has already pitched over 250 innings in the big leagues.
July 21, 200917 yr Miller has had five bad starts since the injury and seven total: (PHI, ARI, TB, BOS, MIL, PIT, ATL) He only has five quality starts on the season. That's terrible for someone who has already pitched over 250 innings in the big leagues. Well think about this. Roy Halladay made his debut in 1998 at the age of 21.(Rookie season in 1999) He had his 1st good season in 2002 at the age of 25 going 19-7 with a 2.93 ERA he then had a great 2003(age 26) and got hurt in 2004 pitching in 21 games and was 8-8 with 4.20 ERA. Then he came back and has been great since 2005 when he was 28. We have to give Miller some time after the injury and changes in mechanics before we can say he's never going to live up to his potential because he is only 24 and already shown signs of greatness.
July 21, 200917 yr That's ludicrous logic. Ignoring the fact that Halladay posted a 3.16 ERA at age 24 in 2001 and a 3.92 ERA in 150 innings at age 22 (you made a terrible comparison), it is far more probabilistic that he doesn't live up to his potential rather than develop into the next Roy Halladay. It is not uncommon for highly regarded prospects, especially pitchers, not to pan out. I'm not writing Miller off, but I don't see any "signs of greatness." If there are any, they are marred by his atrocious pitching in several of his starts this season.
July 21, 200917 yr That's ludicrous logic. Ignoring the fact that Halladay posted a 3.16 ERA at age 24 in 2001 and a 3.92 ERA in 150 innings at age 22 (you made a terrible comparison), it is far more probabilistic that he doesn't love up to his potential rather than develop into the next Roy Halladay. It is not uncommon for highly regarded prospects, especially pitchers, not to pan out. I'm not writing Miller off, but I don't see any "signs of greatness." If there are any, they are marred by his atrocious pitching in several of his starts this season. He has had his share of bad and terrible starts but has had solid starts vs Baltimore, Arizona and San Fransisco.(Well not the greatest hitting teams) Yeah it wasn't the greatest comparrison but it was the 1st name that popped into my head on older guys that became great later in there careers.
July 21, 200917 yr Author Miller has had five bad starts since the injury and seven total: (PHI, ARI, TB, BOS, MIL, PIT, ATL) He only has five quality starts on the season. That's terrible for someone who has already pitched over 250 innings in the big leagues. Well think about this. Roy Halladay made his debut in 1998 at the age of 21.(Rookie season in 1999) He had his 1st good season in 2002 at the age of 25 going 19-7 with a 2.93 ERA he then had a great 2003(age 26) and got hurt in 2004 pitching in 21 games and was 8-8 with 4.20 ERA. Then he came back and has been great since 2005 when he was 28. We have to give Miller some time after the injury and changes in mechanics before we can say he's never going to live up to his potential because he is only 24 and already shown signs of greatness. Hate to be repetitive and rude at this point, but this wasn't one of your stronger posts.
July 21, 200917 yr Author As for Andrew Miller...I said this earlier today. He's not the same guy that was a top 10 prospect, once upon a time. Doesn't have the same stuff anymore, for some reason.
July 21, 200917 yr Miller has had five bad starts since the injury and seven total: (PHI, ARI, TB, BOS, MIL, PIT, ATL) He only has five quality starts on the season. That's terrible for someone who has already pitched over 250 innings in the big leagues. Well think about this. Roy Halladay made his debut in 1998 at the age of 21.(Rookie season in 1999) He had his 1st good season in 2002 at the age of 25 going 19-7 with a 2.93 ERA he then had a great 2003(age 26) and got hurt in 2004 pitching in 21 games and was 8-8 with 4.20 ERA. Then he came back and has been great since 2005 when he was 28. We have to give Miller some time after the injury and changes in mechanics before we can say he's never going to live up to his potential because he is only 24 and already shown signs of greatness. Hate to be repetitive and rude at this point, but this wasn't one of your stronger posts. You're Right. Meh, It Happens
July 21, 200917 yr Andrew Miller was hailed as being the next Randy Johnson. His stuff clearly doesn't come even close. We were told he was a guy who would throw 96 to 97 all game. He's more around 91-93 all game.
July 21, 200917 yr Miller has had five bad starts since the injury and seven total: (PHI, ARI, TB, BOS, MIL, PIT, ATL) He only has five quality starts on the season. That's terrible for someone who has already pitched over 250 innings in the big leagues. Well think about this. Roy Halladay made his debut in 1998 at the age of 21.(Rookie season in 1999) He had his 1st good season in 2002 at the age of 25 going 19-7 with a 2.93 ERA he then had a great 2003(age 26) and got hurt in 2004 pitching in 21 games and was 8-8 with 4.20 ERA. Then he came back and has been great since 2005 when he was 28. We have to give Miller some time after the injury and changes in mechanics before we can say he's never going to live up to his potential because he is only 24 and already shown signs of greatness. Miller has shown signs of goodness. Greatness is something that will forever be out of his reach. Part of Miller's early career potential was that he had a fastball that was blisteringly fast from a left hander. But he hasn't been able to throw that fastball with us and without it he really doesn't have the kind of stuff that could make him truly dominant.
July 21, 200917 yr So the current rotation starting from tonight - Volstad, Nolasco, Johnson and RVH. Due to off days it is highly likely we go with a 4 man rotation till July 31st/August 1st.
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