Maybe you missed the part where he makes it clear he doesn't want back in a Pirates uni.

 

What Pittsburgh does about it is certainly not a lock. That team, especially with all the turmoil they've undergone internally may opt to get out from under the totality of that obligation and figure that since he is by every description damaged goods eating $3+/- million and getting a John Raynor (please don't fixate on the name, let me rephrase, a good projectible prospect) in return represents less risk and the potential for a higher reward than a guy who tells the media (paraphrasing) "I'm not interested in pitching for them again".

 

If Ian Snell weren't Ian Snell and he was of sound mind and body your scenario might play out, but he's not, or at least there's no conclusive evidence, so the risk in any transaction has to fall predominantly on the Bucs.

 

So because Snell doesn't want to be a Pirate, Pittsburgh will eat $4-5 million in salary and take a C+ prospect. That's stupid even for you. They aren't going to sell low on an asset.

Maybe you missed the part where he makes it clear he doesn't want back in a Pirates uni.

 

What Pittsburgh does about it is certainly not a lock. That team, especially with all the turmoil they've undergone internally may opt to get out from under the totality of that obligation and figure that since he is by every description damaged goods eating $3+/- million and getting a John Raynor (please don't fixate on the name, let me rephrase, a good projectible prospect) in return represents less risk and the potential for a higher reward than a guy who tells the media (paraphrasing) "I'm not interested in pitching for them again".

 

If Ian Snell weren't Ian Snell and he was of sound mind and body your scenario might play out, but he's not, or at least there's no conclusive evidence, so the risk in any transaction has to fall predominantly on the Bucs.

 

So because Snell doesn't want to be a Pirate, Pittsburgh will eat $4-5 million in salary and take a C+ prospect. That's stupid even for you. They aren't going to sell low on an asset.

 

The name-calling when people make you look silly is your trademark. When you're wrong, try being a man about it and stop acting like a child.

 

Ian Snell is damaged goods. Try doing just five minutes of research for once. The risk is high and therefore the price will be low. And for the Bucs that equates to how much risk they are willing to take. The business of baseball, especially this time of the year is just like any other business and the same rules apply. Just because you haven't learned them yet doesn't mean they aren't valid.

 

Just to back up what I'm saying...

 

Ian Snell Says Depression, Thoughts of Suicide Led to Self-Demotion to Minors

 

Posted Jul 01, 2009 6:32PM By Pat Lackey

 

There have been very few stranger soap operas in baseball this year than the Ian Snell saga in Pittsburgh. Expected to be one of the Pirates' top starters after signing a contract extension before the 2008 season, Snell has struggled on the mound in the past two seasons, posting 5.00-plus ERAs and struggling with his control. It all came to a head about a week ago when Snell asked the Pirates to be demoted, then gave a strange impromptu press conference where he lashed out at reporters and bloggers and talked about his need to get away from the negative atmosphere of Pittsburgh.

 

On Sunday, Snell struck out 17 hitters in seven innings in his first start back in Triple-A. Wednesday, he talked to Indianapolis TV station WTHR and revealed that he's been battling depression and actually contemplated suicide about a month ago. He says he wanted the trip to Indianapolis to help clear his head because it's somewhere he's always liked pitching, having thrown a no-hitter with the Indians back in 2005.

 

As a Pirate fan and as one of the bloggers that Snell lashed out at (I'll certainly admit to being critical of Snell on my own personal blog), hearing this from Snell is a pretty sobering thing. It's always easy to read quotes from players, watch them perform, listen to them talk, and assume that you know what's going through their minds. That's certainly not always the case. Snell is the fourth big-league player to openly admit to dealing with these sorts of issues this year, with Khalil Greene, Dontrelle Willis and Joey Votto spending time on the disabled list for stress and anxiety reasons.

 

In the end, Snell's relationship with the Pirates may be damaged irreparably, and he may or may not ever pitch for them again. Whatever the case, I hope this trip to the minors helps him clear his head a little bit. It's always scary to hear of anyone dealing with the issues he has.

"...But after his outing Sunday, Snell told WTHR-13 he has been battling depression and considered drastic measures about a month ago due to the growing negativity surrounding his struggles in Pittsburgh. He was 2-8 with a 5.36 ERA in 15 starts with the Pirates this year.

 

"Sometimes people do stupid stuff and I had to fight it, not to do something stupid and take my life for myself and from my family and my parents," Snell told the station.

 

The demons, Snell called them..."

 

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090702/SPORTS18/907020405/Indians++Snell+deals+with+depression

First of all, I never contested or questioned the fact that Snell hates it in Pitt, has depression, is sad, or whatever. Articles add nothing to the point at argument, and brings up the recurring theme of you don't have any sort of reading comprehension, and then blame others for not understanding your point. Secondly, I've forgotten more about baseball than you've ever known, so please spare me educational talk. And name-calling defense? If we catalogued all your posts where you blast everyone nonsensically on this board because of their age, intelligence, creed, whatever, we'd be able to fill the Great Library of Alexandria.

 

Trading low is one thing. Paying the remainder of 2009's salary is another. Paying $3.8ish (contract minus pro rated minimum) for him to pitch elsewhere next year, where Pittsburgh is a low/mid market franchise at best, where Snell is a relatively/sort of proven MLB starter, and now absolutely dominating AAA, is a completely different thing.

 

I have no doubt Pittsburgh will move him if it is that bad, I simply question your lackadaisical comments suggesting Pittsburgh is going to bend over backwards and take it simply to accommodate a guy because he doesn't want to be there. This is clearly the first time one of those situations has arisen. Like you say, but still do not grasp. This is a business. Snell is an asset. Pittsburgh does not have many assets. They are not going to move him for a "john raynoresque" property and keep paying him a significant salary. Why would they? That does not help them in any way, shape, or form. Pitching is always in demand. Pittsburgh is not desperate to move him as they still control his rights for a significant amount of time. This can be a buy low. Absolutely. And the funny thing is, I think this could be a good idea, but your presentation of thinking Pitt is going to take whatever and qualifying it with, "we'll see how low Pitt will go," is simply wrong. This is not going to be "buy nothing." That is all I'm saying. Stop getting pissy when confronted with rationality.

What Pittsburgh does about it is certainly not a lock. That team, especially with all the turmoil they've undergone internally may opt to get out from under the totality of that obligation and figure that since he is by every description damaged goods eating $3+/- million and getting a John Raynor (please don't fixate on the name, let me rephrase, a good projectible prospect) in return represents less risk and the potential for a higher reward than a guy who tells the media (paraphrasing) "I'm not interested in pitching for them again".

 

If Ian Snell weren't Ian Snell and he was of sound mind and body your scenario might play out, but he's not, or at least there's no conclusive evidence, so the risk in any transaction has to fall predominantly on the Bucs.

 

 

I realize you said not to fixate on the name John Raynor, but in no world is John Raynor a good projectable prospect. That and do the Marlins really need a headcase?

The reason I think they won't go for the "big" deal, especially that involves significant l/t money is to not bruise Hanley's ego or offend him in any way. No evidence, just a suspicion, they don't want to go there. They have a good deal with him and don't want to mess with it.

 

 

 

What? Does that even make sense?

Yea, but i wonder if the jays called the marlins to tell em halladay is available...thye know the fish have tons of presopects, i doubt the marlins showedi nterest though.

 

but to be more realistic erick if we can aquire soria( without giving important prospects like stanton or dominguez) and another bat in the lineup, we might be fine. honestly i would love to get someone to replace jeremy out there. a 3rd baseman who can hit would be nice too just put boni in the amezega role for the rest of the season

Maybe you missed the part where he makes it clear he doesn't want back in a Pirates uni.

 

What Pittsburgh does about it is certainly not a lock. That team, especially with all the turmoil they've undergone internally may opt to get out from under the totality of that obligation and figure that since he is by every description damaged goods eating $3+/- million and getting a John Raynor (please don't fixate on the name, let me rephrase, a good projectible prospect) in return represents less risk and the potential for a higher reward than a guy who tells the media (paraphrasing) "I'm not interested in pitching for them again".

 

If Ian Snell weren't Ian Snell and he was of sound mind and body your scenario might play out, but he's not, or at least there's no conclusive evidence, so the risk in any transaction has to fall predominantly on the Bucs.

 

So because Snell doesn't want to be a Pirate, Pittsburgh will eat $4-5 million in salary and take a C+ prospect. That's stupid even for you. They aren't going to sell low on an asset.

 

The name-calling when people make you look silly is your trademark. When you're wrong, try being a man about it and stop acting like a child.

 

Ian Snell is damaged goods. Try doing just five minutes of research for once. The risk is high and therefore the price will be low. And for the Bucs that equates to how much risk they are willing to take. The business of baseball, especially this time of the year is just like any other business and the same rules apply. Just because you haven't learned them yet doesn't mean they aren't valid.

 

Just to back up what I'm saying...

 

Ian Snell Says Depression, Thoughts of Suicide Led to Self-Demotion to Minors

 

Posted Jul 01, 2009 6:32PM By Pat Lackey

 

There have been very few stranger soap operas in baseball this year than the Ian Snell saga in Pittsburgh. Expected to be one of the Pirates' top starters after signing a contract extension before the 2008 season, Snell has struggled on the mound in the past two seasons, posting 5.00-plus ERAs and struggling with his control. It all came to a head about a week ago when Snell asked the Pirates to be demoted, then gave a strange impromptu press conference where he lashed out at reporters and bloggers and talked about his need to get away from the negative atmosphere of Pittsburgh.

 

On Sunday, Snell struck out 17 hitters in seven innings in his first start back in Triple-A. Wednesday, he talked to Indianapolis TV station WTHR and revealed that he's been battling depression and actually contemplated suicide about a month ago. He says he wanted the trip to Indianapolis to help clear his head because it's somewhere he's always liked pitching, having thrown a no-hitter with the Indians back in 2005.

 

As a Pirate fan and as one of the bloggers that Snell lashed out at (I'll certainly admit to being critical of Snell on my own personal blog), hearing this from Snell is a pretty sobering thing. It's always easy to read quotes from players, watch them perform, listen to them talk, and assume that you know what's going through their minds. That's certainly not always the case. Snell is the fourth big-league player to openly admit to dealing with these sorts of issues this year, with Khalil Greene, Dontrelle Willis and Joey Votto spending time on the disabled list for stress and anxiety reasons.

 

In the end, Snell's relationship with the Pirates may be damaged irreparably, and he may or may not ever pitch for them again. Whatever the case, I hope this trip to the minors helps him clear his head a little bit. It's always scary to hear of anyone dealing with the issues he has.

 

 

You just proved nothing.

Lou wasn't questioning whether or not he had depression, he was questioning whether or not Pittsburgh would be willing to pay his salary, as you said. That article states absolutely nothing whatsoever about that.

Yea, but i wonder if the jays called the marlins to tell em halladay is available...thye know the fish have tons of presopects, i doubt the marlins showedi nterest though.

 

but to be more realistic erick if we can aquire soria( without giving important prospects like stanton or dominguez) and another bat in the lineup, we might be fine. honestly i would love to get someone to replace jeremy out there. a 3rd baseman who can hit would be nice too just put boni in the amezega role for the rest of the season

 

 

I'd say it's more like J.P. Ricciardi is getting calls from other teams. He's the one with the best pitcher, arguably, in baseball.

And I think the Royals already said they wouldn't trade Joakim Soria...it would take a nice deal, and I'm not about to trade prospects for a reliever, at this point (although Soria is lights out, but whatever. If we're trading big time prospects, it better be for a starter or a big bat).

We don't really need Halladay or Lee or Soria or Sherrill or Snell.

 

We need a big bat!

We don't really need Halladay or Lee or Soria or Sherrill or Snell.

 

We need a big bat!

 

 

 

yea but i say we still need at least another nice rotation starter i mean the 4 and 5 spots are wide open at this point, though i like what im see from vandy so far

First of all, I never contested or questioned the fact that Snell hates it in Pitt, has depression, is sad, or whatever. Articles add nothing to the point at argument, and brings up the recurring theme of you don't have any sort of reading comprehension, and then blame others for not understanding your point. Secondly, I've forgotten more about baseball than you've ever known, so please spare me educational talk. And name-calling defense? If we catalogued all your posts where you blast everyone nonsensically on this board because of their age, intelligence, creed, whatever, we'd be able to fill the Great Library of Alexandria.

 

Trading low is one thing. Paying the remainder of 2009's salary is another. Paying $3.8ish (contract minus pro rated minimum) for him to pitch elsewhere next year, where Pittsburgh is a low/mid market franchise at best, where Snell is a relatively/sort of proven MLB starter, and now absolutely dominating AAA, is a completely different thing.

 

I have no doubt Pittsburgh will move him if it is that bad, I simply question your lackadaisical comments suggesting Pittsburgh is going to bend over backwards and take it simply to accommodate a guy because he doesn't want to be there. This is clearly the first time one of those situations has arisen. Like you say, but still do not grasp. This is a business. Snell is an asset. Pittsburgh does not have many assets. They are not going to move him for a "john raynoresque" property and keep paying him a significant salary. Why would they? That does not help them in any way, shape, or form. Pitching is always in demand. Pittsburgh is not desperate to move him as they still control his rights for a significant amount of time. This can be a buy low. Absolutely. And the funny thing is, I think this could be a good idea, but your presentation of thinking Pitt is going to take whatever and qualifying it with, "we'll see how low Pitt will go," is simply wrong. This is not going to be "buy nothing." That is all I'm saying. Stop getting pissy when confronted with rationality.

 

 

Wow. You've forgotten more about baseball than I've ever known. Is that right? Get over yourself bro. Your pathetic. Wrong and pathetic. Most of what you've suggested I said is a flat out lie, but not surprising because that's the only way you roll. I never said for example the Pirates would eat his entire salary in a trade, prorata minimums aside, but I guess your argument only works if you say that's what I said. I said it was about risk management.

 

It's the same old same old with you. The hate. The bullying. The absolutism. The demand everyone agree no matter how off-base you are. You haven't changed one bit since you slithered in here.

 

We'll see as Ian Snell's career plays itself out who was closer to the truth. But if people actually went back and read what I said they'll see very little of it has anything to with your usual hate-filled tirade.

You just proved nothing.

Lou wasn't questioning whether or not he had depression, he was questioning whether or not Pittsburgh would be willing to pay his salary, as you said. That article states absolutely nothing whatsoever about that.

 

 

His depression, *his* demons, his suicidal thoughts are the reason risk management becomes an important component in weighing his market value. That and the fact he says he doesn't want to pitch in or for Pittsburgh anymore. Either you didn't bother to read what was posted before this or you are just looking for an excuse to be you, I don't know, but it was cute, not very accurate but cute.

Who is out there that we can realistically trade for and would be a serious upgrade???????

 

I like Freddy Sanchez (I think he has played third before) and the Hammer

 

What do you guys think???

Who is out there that we can realistically trade for and would be a serious upgrade???????

 

I like Freddy Sanchez (I think he has played third before) and the Hammer

 

What do you guys think???

 

 

 

I've stated the serious options out there in my earlier post. There aren't many 3rd basemen out in the market, and no real significant upgrades. There are some cheap back of the rotation starting pitchers available, but our farm system has gotten a little thin with available players, so it all depends on what teams are asking for. Most of the options out in the market are 1st basemen, and we really do not need a 1st baseman with Cantu playing well at 1st base, so that leaves us as standing pat at the deadline. Seems if any move is made, Sherrill may be it, but doubtful.

 

If you are expecting the Marlins to be serious players in the market, don't get your hopes up. However, expect the Marlins to get an underrated player off the waiver wire in August, that is where I believe the Marlins will make their biggest impact.

While this doesn't have anything to do with the fish MLBTR has a little piece saying the Red sox are trying to pull off something huge. Must be nice huh.

You just proved nothing.

Lou wasn't questioning whether or not he had depression, he was questioning whether or not Pittsburgh would be willing to pay his salary, as you said. That article states absolutely nothing whatsoever about that.

 

 

His depression, *his* demons, his suicidal thoughts are the reason risk management becomes an important component in weighing his market value. That and the fact he says he doesn't want to pitch in or for Pittsburgh anymore. Either you didn't bother to read what was posted before this or you are just looking for an excuse to be you, I don't know, but it was cute, not very accurate but cute.

 

 

The only thing that's "cute" is suggesting that the Pirates would eat 3+ million and get a John Raynor type prospect, and then after being called out on it, you decided to insult MarlinsLou (which you later said he hasn't changed with the insults, etc...that's not a double standard or anything), and you posted an article proving nothing (b/c no one was doubting that he was having depression problems. The only thing being questioned was whether or not the Pirates were willing to take most of his remaining salary).

 

PS - Believe it or not, you're not the only person who has Google and knows how to use it. For some reason, you think "your" research is superior to everyone else's. It's not.

Minor updates on players mentioned above:

 

Garko picked up by SF for a prospect, that might diminish their interest in pursuing Uggla.

 

Willingham hit TWO grand slams and doubled tonight for WAS, 8 RBI, career best.

Wow. You've forgotten more about baseball than I've ever known. Is that right? Get over yourself bro. Your pathetic. Wrong and pathetic. Most of what you've suggested I said is a flat out lie, but not surprising because that's the only way you roll. I never said for example the Pirates would eat his entire salary in a trade, prorata minimums aside, but I guess your argument only works if you say that's what I said. I said it was about risk management.

 

It's the same old same old with you. The hate. The bullying. The absolutism. The demand everyone agree no matter how off-base you are. You haven't changed one bit since you slithered in here.

 

We'll see as Ian Snell's career plays itself out who was closer to the truth. But if people actually went back and read what I said they'll see very little of it has anything to with your usual hate-filled tirade.

 

What Pittsburgh does about it is certainly not a lock. That team, especially with all the turmoil they've undergone internally may opt to get out from under the totality of that obligation and figure that since he is by every description damaged goods eating $3+/- million and getting a John Raynor (please don't fixate on the name, let me rephrase, a good projectible prospect) in return represents less risk and the potential for a higher reward than a guy who tells the media (paraphrasing) "I'm not interested in pitching for them again".

 

I mean, your own post last page defeats your own post here. This is why I love you. You are so predictably inconsistent. This is what I'm calling you ridiculous for. Even hinting Pitt is going to eat serious money on Snell is beyond ridiculous and you know it. This is not Boston and Julio Lugo. This is Pittsburgh. There are no lies. I'm not putting any words in your mouth. I'm honoring your request not to make fun of your John Raynor example (which I most certainly would because it's horrible). I'm flat out saying, your suggestion of Pittsburgh eating a substantial amount of money on Ian Snell for a relative non-prospect type player is idiotic. Feel free to disagree, but you're wrong. And if/when they move him, they will not be picking up significant amounts of his contract unless they are getting something significant back. I'm going to say it again. Ian Snell is an asset despite whatever mental condition he is in. Pittsburgh is a small/mid market team and cannot afford to simply give assets away. Baseball is a business, and despite the assumption Snell mentally cannot play for them anymore, doesn't mean they will simply give him away. Everyone always needs pitching. He would be an instant DFA claim if released, and half the teams in baseball would offer some sort of package, and accept large portions of his contract, to get a 27 year old starter a year removed from a 1.33 whip/177 K season and obliterating the arguably most competitive minor league division.

 

This is easy. As I said before, it's a good suggestion. It's a clear buy low. That's how the Marlins roll. It is not a buy nothing however. And that's it. You do this to yourself, you realize this.

yay....yet another thread that gets bogged down by an argument over semantics that leads to insults thrown and the eventual proverbial penis measuring contest. real mature gentlemen. and we wonder why the quality of new contributors has somewhat plateaued.

You just proved nothing.

Lou wasn't questioning whether or not he had depression, he was questioning whether or not Pittsburgh would be willing to pay his salary, as you said. That article states absolutely nothing whatsoever about that.

 

 

His depression, *his* demons, his suicidal thoughts are the reason risk management becomes an important component in weighing his market value. That and the fact he says he doesn't want to pitch in or for Pittsburgh anymore. Either you didn't bother to read what was posted before this or you are just looking for an excuse to be you, I don't know, but it was cute, not very accurate but cute.

 

 

The only thing that's "cute" is suggesting that the Pirates would eat 3+ million and get a John Raynor type prospect, and then after being called out on it, you decided to insult MarlinsLou (which you later said he hasn't changed with the insults, etc...that's not a double standard or anything), and you posted an article proving nothing (b/c no one was doubting that he was having depression problems. The only thing being questioned was whether or not the Pirates were willing to take most of his remaining salary).

 

PS - Believe it or not, you're not the only person who has Google and knows how to use it. For some reason, you think "your" research is superior to everyone else's. It's not.

 

So I guess that means you didn't read what I wrote. I didn't think so.

 

As for insulting Lou what you mean is it's okay for Lou to attack me repeatedly in both an insulting and disparaging manner but if I say anything then Lou is the victim. Interesting. Hypocritical but interesting perspective.

 

What you continue to ignore (or just didn't bother to read) was the Pirates ALREADY ARE on the hook for 100% of what he's owed. And of course that he has wildly underperformed his contract to date. I understand you have to ignore that and the rest of the facts at hand otherwise it would look like you had an agenda here but I doubt Pittsburgh has many options or Snell many suitors willing to pick up his contract at anywhere near it's face value and possibly compensate the Bucs with a player for the opportunity to do so. I'm perfectly willing to see how it all plays out and revisit the subject when there's some kind of conclusion and see who was closest in their analysis. I'm comfortable with my position, my real position not the one you and Lou have tried to paint because the truth is alien to you both, and since my words are memorialized, here no matter how many times to you try and claim I said something different, you can neither change what I said or how I said it.

Wow. You've forgotten more about baseball than I've ever known. Is that right? Get over yourself bro. Your pathetic. Wrong and pathetic. Most of what you've suggested I said is a flat out lie, but not surprising because that's the only way you roll. I never said for example the Pirates would eat his entire salary in a trade, prorata minimums aside, but I guess your argument only works if you say that's what I said. I said it was about risk management.

 

It's the same old same old with you. The hate. The bullying. The absolutism. The demand everyone agree no matter how off-base you are. You haven't changed one bit since you slithered in here.

 

We'll see as Ian Snell's career plays itself out who was closer to the truth. But if people actually went back and read what I said they'll see very little of it has anything to with your usual hate-filled tirade.

 

What Pittsburgh does about it is certainly not a lock. That team, especially with all the turmoil they've undergone internally may opt to get out from under the totality of that obligation and figure that since he is by every description damaged goods eating $3+/- million and getting a John Raynor (please don't fixate on the name, let me rephrase, a good projectible prospect) in return represents less risk and the potential for a higher reward than a guy who tells the media (paraphrasing) "I'm not interested in pitching for them again".

 

I mean, your own post last page defeats your own post here. This is why I love you. You are so predictably inconsistent. This is what I'm calling you ridiculous for. Even hinting Pitt is going to eat serious money on Snell is beyond ridiculous and you know it. This is not Boston and Julio Lugo. This is Pittsburgh. There are no lies. I'm not putting any words in your mouth. I'm honoring your request not to make fun of your John Raynor example (which I most certainly would because it's horrible). I'm flat out saying, your suggestion of Pittsburgh eating a substantial amount of money on Ian Snell for a relative non-prospect type player is idiotic. Feel free to disagree, but you're wrong. And if/when they move him, they will not be picking up significant amounts of his contract unless they are getting something significant back. I'm going to say it again. Ian Snell is an asset despite whatever mental condition he is in. Pittsburgh is a small/mid market team and cannot afford to simply give assets away. Baseball is a business, and despite the assumption Snell mentally cannot play for them anymore, doesn't mean they will simply give him away. Everyone always needs pitching. He would be an instant DFA claim if released, and half the teams in baseball would offer some sort of package, and accept large portions of his contract, to get a 27 year old starter a year removed from a 1.33 whip/177 K season and obliterating the arguably most competitive minor league division.

 

This is easy. As I said before, it's a good suggestion. It's a clear buy low. That's how the Marlins roll. It is not a buy nothing however. And that's it. You do this to yourself, you realize this.

 

I guess math isn't your strong suit. You seem to think I'm saying they eat his entire obligation for a projectible minor league prospect that you don't care for regardless of what others think of him (middle of the road guy, may or may not have an MLB future, with some tools). What I said, and thank you for quoting it, was they might opt to eat around $3 +/- million of the roughly $5.25 million they are still on the hook for plus a prospect in effort to at least save themselves $2 million if they feel their position is hopeless and right now Snell is telling them he affirmatively doesn't want to be in Pittsburgh after he feels he was treated by people there.

 

You want to disagree, that's fine, but at least stop the insults and bullying and mischaracterizations of what was said. Arguing that something another person allegedly said and didn't just on the face of it doesn't make a lot of sense nor does it accomplish in the end, anything. as I said to your young friend, let's see where this winds up when the dust settles, I'm comfortable with my stance, not the one you're trying to paint, but what I really said, because it's just common sense that if they have limited options, and a suicidal ballplayer who sent himself back to the minors just to get out of Pittsburgh would seem to limit their options, saving a couple of million is better than not saving a couple of million.

Idk if you guys have read this, but the yanks are after snell supposedly.. Here's a piece from the article:

 

Two others in Indianapolis, starters Ian Snell and Tom Gorzelanny, are drawing interest. Snell had another strong start yesterday, and his ERA after six starts is 0.96. The New York Yankees have watched Snell in his past two starts. Gorzelanny has a 2.46 ERA after 14 starts there and, most important, has shown improved aggressiveness and velocity of late. -- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette .....Ben's Take: NYC tabloids would have a field day with Ian Snell's name.

Idk if you guys have read this, but the yanks are after snell supposedly.. Here's a piece from the article:

 

Two others in Indianapolis, starters Ian Snell and Tom Gorzelanny, are drawing interest. Snell had another strong start yesterday, and his ERA after six starts is 0.96. The New York Yankees have watched Snell in his past two starts. Gorzelanny has a 2.46 ERA after 14 starts there and, most important, has shown improved aggressiveness and velocity of late. -- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette .....Ben's Take: NYC tabloids would have a field day with Ian Snell's name.

 

 

Actually, and don't take this the wrong way, I read it and laughed...the idea that he'd survive better in NYC than Pittsburgh is gallows humor. Is the bronx really where you'd choose to go for a mental health break? :brigginbounce

 

I feel tremendously sorry for the guy as I do for Allison and Greinke and Ankiel and Zotto and the rest who for one reason or another just can/could not cope with a life most of us would think would be a glorious ride. It was one of the reasons that I thought perhaps a place like Miami might be a good landing spot for him, or Gorzelanny, both of whom I find interesting.

An article came out today from PSD that states Beinfest saying he is looking to make a MAJOR move. He wants to improve now. From what I see the Blue jays are entering a fire sale at just the right time. With our problem at 3rd, what do you guys think of Scott Rolen? His value is prob at it's lowest and he is still a good defender at third and his bat is no question, and he is a proven vet. I believe his contract ends after next season and he is at about 11 million per year.