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This team is better than what they have shown most of the year. A real manager would have been on his players to not have them let up. And when there was a stretch of games when it seemed umpires where were siding with the opposing team (ex. 2nd game of Colorado double header), Fredi never even got out of the dugout let alone get into umpires faces and let them have it. He doesn't use his gut but his stubborn statistics (I know that gut does not mean a win but it beats this crap). So when do you think Beinfest and Samson realize that Fredi will do no better than have a winning a season? When will they realize that so long as Fredi is the manager, this team will choke each and every year just like they are doing now?

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This team is better than what they have shown most of the year. A real manager would have been on his players to not have them let up. And when there was a stretch of games when it seemed umpires where were siding with the opposing team (ex. 2nd game of Colorado double header), Fredi never even got out of the dugout let alone get into umpires faces and let them have it. He doesn't use his gut but his stubborn statistics (I know that gut does not mean a win but it beats this crap). So when do you think Beinfest and Samson realize that Fredi will do no better than have a winning a season? When will they realize that so long as Fredi is the manager, this team will choke each and every year just like they are doing now?

 

 

 

If only he used "stubborn" statistics more often...

Anyways, I'd just like to add that the weasel has nothing to do with this.

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

 

Care to explain how Fredi's passion plays a role?

 

 

The Marlins have as good a starting rotation as they did in 2003. In 2003, why couldn't Torborg win? He didn't have the passion... McKeon did. Fast forward to 2009, Fredi has no passion, ______ care to fill in the blank? Fredi is the problem, he has to go like Lachemann and Torborg before him. If you have a better explanation of why an underachieving team is not producing, I'm breathless to hear it.

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

Yeah, I don't really get this, either.

 

 

What don't you get, passion or newsflash

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

Try telling Lou Piniella that...and just leave Fredi alone...he has his stupid moments but what he has done with a team full of kids and the lowest payroll in baseball is amazing

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

 

Care to explain how Fredi's passion plays a role?

 

 

The Marlins have as good a starting rotation as they did in 2003. In 2003, why couldn't Torborg win? He didn't have the passion... McKeon did. Fast forward to 2009, Fredi has no passion, ______ care to fill in the blank? Fredi is the problem, he has to go like Lachemann and Torborg before him. If you have a better explanation of why an underachieving team is not producing, I'm breathless to hear it.

 

 

McKeon also had those 2 callups...remember Dontrelle Wills and Miguel Cabrera? Those two didn't play a part or anything. Not to mention the upgrades at the trade deadline.

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

Yeah, I don't really get this, either.

 

 

What don't you get, passion or newsflash

 

The part of the passion being relevant.

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

 

Care to explain how Fredi's passion plays a role?

 

 

The Marlins have as good a starting rotation as they did in 2003. In 2003, why couldn't Torborg win? He didn't have the passion... McKeon did. Fast forward to 2009, Fredi has no passion, ______ care to fill in the blank? Fredi is the problem, he has to go like Lachemann and Torborg before him. If you have a better explanation of why an underachieving team is not producing, I'm breathless to hear it.

 

 

I am not going to argue with you, because I don't like to argue pointless things, but to answer your last question:

 

1. Average to below average production at multiple positions (RF, LF, 1B, 3B.)

 

2. We don't have a back end to the rotation.

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i can say this Fredi better have close meeting because i see team felling into deep blackhole their cannot get out their losing ground on wildcard and nl east race

 

He just had a closed-door meeting after being swept by the Nats.....the more you do them, the less effective they are.

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This team is better than what they have shown most of the year. A real manager would have been on his players to not have them let up. And when there was a stretch of games when it seemed umpires where were siding with the opposing team (ex. 2nd game of Colorado double header), Fredi never even got out of the dugout let alone get into umpires faces and let them have it. He doesn't use his gut but his stubborn statistics (I know that gut does not mean a win but it beats this crap). So when do you think Beinfest and Samson realize that Fredi will do no better than have a winning a season? When will they realize that so long as Fredi is the manager, this team will choke each and every year just like they are doing now?

 

 

I guess you're in the same sh*tty state of frustration and somehow anger I'm in today. (And problably many of us) On the other hand I'm not pretty much a fan of Fredi's either, maybe for different reasons.

 

That said, I believe that if by passion you mean making bolder moves, or some kind of out-of-the-book decisions I might be on your side, but honestly I also think that the only thing getting into the umps faces in those cases would do is getting Fredi's ass in the showers.

 

Arguing with the umps over outs, strikes, and balls called is plain dumb, since that's irreversible.

 

How could any of that save the day?

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

 

Care to explain how Fredi's passion plays a role?

 

 

The Marlins have as good a starting rotation as they did in 2003. In 2003, why couldn't Torborg win? He didn't have the passion... McKeon did. Fast forward to 2009, Fredi has no passion, ______ care to fill in the blank? Fredi is the problem, he has to go like Lachemann and Torborg before him. If you have a better explanation of why an underachieving team is not producing, I'm breathless to hear it.

 

We have had an injury plagued rotation that has a tough time getting through 5 innings, is no where near as good as that 2003 team's, and is the main reason we won't make the playoffs, or go far into them if we get lucky enough to be playing in October. Right now we don't even have the obligatory starting 3 to make waves in the playoffs. Now take a breath and relax a bit. The finger pointing shouldn't be towards Fredi, it should be directed right there. Taking the stance that we have lost 62 games because of Fredi and won 67 despite him is the equivalent of throwing a tantrum because mommy wouldn't buy you an ice cream when you went to the store.

 

"Underachieving"??? This team has been overachieving for most of their short careers. And fun to watch.

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This team is better than what they have shown most of the year. A real manager would have been on his players to not have them let up. And when there was a stretch of games when it seemed umpires where were siding with the opposing team (ex. 2nd game of Colorado double header), Fredi never even got out of the dugout let alone get into umpires faces and let them have it. He doesn't use his gut but his stubborn statistics (I know that gut does not mean a win but it beats this crap). So when do you think Beinfest and Samson realize that Fredi will do no better than have a winning a season? When will they realize that so long as Fredi is the manager, this team will choke each and every year just like they are doing now?

 

 

I guess you're in the same sh*tty state of frustration and somehow anger I'm in today. (And problably many of us) On the other hand I'm not pretty much a fan of Fredi's either, maybe for different reasons.

 

That said, I believe that if by passion you mean making bolder moves, or some kind of out-of-the-book decisions I might be on your side, but honestly I also think that the only thing getting into the umps faces in those cases would do is getting Fredi's ass in the showers.

 

Arguing with the umps over outs, strikes, and balls called is plain dumb, since that's irreversible.

 

How could any of that save the day?

 

 

 

Problem with that. When he does think outside the lines, or makes decisions that some fans either can't or refuse to understand, he gets nailed for it around here. Called idiotic and stupid, among other things. Fans always know better.

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Lets be realistic for a second... How is it all Fredi's fault? and that he has to go... Before the season only JJ and Ricky were expected to be lights out. Sanchez was a ?; Volstad is young; Miller is young and unproven... Now fast forward to now with respect to the rotation.. We have 2 SP's out of 5... JJ is one and Ricky/Sanchez/West/Volstad and .25ths that make it 2 out of 5... That's now Fredi's fault??? This equation the leads to a worn out bullpen... Look Sanches (mediocre to less mediocre career)/ Lindstrom (young)/Meyer (see Sanches)/ Calero (mediocre career)/ Nunez (young) et. al... And my post only addresses the Pitching aspect... Offense and Defense are other factors were we are young and inexperienced... Look, the preseason predictions probably had us 4th in the NL East and with 75-85 wins... Although, like many I am disappointed with the recent results, I am pleased that we have had a successful season and can still win 85 games which to me would be a good year...

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Lets be realistic for a second... How is it all Fredi's fault? and that he has to go... Before the season only JJ and Ricky were expected to be lights out. Sanchez was a ?; Volstad is young; Miller is young and unproven... Now fast forward to now with respect to the rotation.. We have 2 SP's out of 5... JJ is one and Ricky/Sanchez/West/Volstad and .25ths that make it 2 out of 5... That's now Fredi's fault??? This equation the leads to a worn out bullpen... Look Sanches (mediocre to less mediocre career)/ Lindstrom (young)/Meyer (see Sanches)/ Calero (mediocre career)/ Nunez (young) et. al... And my post only addresses the Pitching aspect... Offense and Defense are other factors were we are young and inexperienced... Look, the preseason predictions probably had us 4th in the NL East and with 75-85 wins... Although, like many I am disappointed with the recent results, I am pleased that we have had a successful season and can still win 85 games which to me would be a good year...

 

Good post.

 

Throughout this season I saw the Marlins as being a .500 team. They appeared to be overachieving for much of the summer.

 

The rotation simply didn't match the anticipation and I was astonished that the Marlins won as many games as they did with Miller, West, and Volstad starting as many games as they did. Even Nolasco has been terribly inconsistent.

 

On top of the underwhelming rotation, the Marlins had to deal with poor offensive performance from Bonifacio and Hermida for much of the season. Then there is Uggla and Cantu underperforming from last season. Uggla has experienced about a 70 point OPS drop from last year. Cantu is experiencing about 40-50 point drop and hitting for much less power. No contending team should have a player with Cantu's 2009 numbers at a power position like first base. While it is true that it is a luxury in having a power hitting second baseman, that does not excuse Uggla's decreased performance. Home run totals project to be about the same but he's still getting far less extra base hits. The Marlins lose the advantage of having a Uggla-type player at second base when they are getting average offense at positions like first and third base.

 

Hanley is doing all he can, Ross is hitting about the same as he did last season, Baker is hitting above average for his position, and Coghlan is finally settling in after a horrendous month of July.

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Damn, because if Fredi would have just showed more passion, we probably would have won all those games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newsflash, passion plays a role... sarcasm doesn't.

 

Try telling Lou Piniella that...and just leave Fredi alone...he has his stupid moments but what he has done with a team full of kids and the lowest payroll in baseball is amazing

 

I'm tried of hearing we have the lowest payroll, i think alot of fans use that as a crutch, fredi is not going anywhere because nobody else is going to manage this team when to FO is happy with what their have.

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