April 14, 201016 yr Just reported on espn. I like Brandon Marshall alot, so I like this move. He is supposed to sign a rather large contract in the next day or so. Its for a 2nd rounder this year and a 2nd rounder next year.
April 14, 201016 yr I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes.
April 14, 201016 yr I think this is a very good trade. He will get a massive contract, too. I'm not sure how the rest of the Dolphins' salary cap situation looks, but to be honest, given the lack of a new CBA, you can't worry about that too much. And they got away without giving up a 1st. As long as he stays out of trouble, this will be a really good deal. The AFC East is really beefing up, and I expect NE to improve with 4 top-60 picks in the draft. Whoever wins this division will really deserve it.
April 14, 201016 yr I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes. really...REALLY? not that your opinion should matter after admitting to your full membership to the kyle orton fan club, but saying that trading for a top 3 receiver makes the dolphins worse when their leading receivers are named f***ING brian hartline and davone bess? gtfo. seriously. there's the door.
April 14, 201016 yr Author Marshall is now the highest paid receiver in NFL history 4 years 47.5 million. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5085644
April 14, 201016 yr Author I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes. Why would you be SO glad? The guy caught 101 passes last season. Denver is taking steps backwards. The dolphins certainly needed a receiver, there is no doubt about it. Marshall is easily a top 5 receiver. So good job to them for going out and getting him However, my only concern is this, they had to give up two picks to then offer him that huge deal. A lot of people are really high on Dez Bryant and there was a pretty good chance the dolphins could have drafted him at #12. They would have ended up paying less money and keeping two #2 picks had they picked Bryant. However, there is no guarantee he pans out.
April 14, 201016 yr gtfo. seriously. there's the door. A little harsh but... uh... yeah... Brandon Marshall is easily one of the best receivers in the league right now. You are giving up two #2 picks for a young Pro-Bowler who has yet to peak. Let's put it this way; here are the Dolphins' last 10 2nd round picks - I will offer you THREE players for Marshall, which ones will you choose? 2009: Pat White 2008: Phillip Merling 2007: John Beck [now in Baltimore] 2006: to Minnesota [who picked Ryan Cook] 2005: Matt Roth [now in Cleveland] 2004: to Bungles [who picked Madieu Williams] 2003: Eddie Moore [not in football] 2002: to Eagles [who picked Sheldon Brown] 2001: Chris Chambers [now in KC - 1 Pro Bowl] 2000: Todd Wade [now in Jacksonville on his 4th team] 1999: James Johnson [not in football]
April 14, 201016 yr I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes. Why would you be SO glad? The guy caught 101 passes last season. Denver is taking steps backwards. The dolphins certainly needed a receiver, there is no doubt about it. Marshall is easily a top 5 receiver. So good job to them for going out and getting him However, my only concern is this, they had to give up two picks to then offer him that huge deal. A lot of people are really high on Dez Bryant and there was a pretty good chance the dolphins could have drafted him at #12. They would have ended up paying less money and keeping two #2 picks had they picked Bryant. However, there is no guarantee he pans out. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670 The two 2nd-rounders are easily worth less than their 1st round pick is worth. Dez Bryant still would have gotten a pretty big contract if drafted at 12. Obviously not nearly as big as Marshall's (wow!), but Marshall is far and away a better player.
April 14, 201016 yr gtfo. seriously. there's the door. A little harsh but... uh... yeah... Brandon Marshall is easily one of the best receivers in the league right now. You are giving up two #2 picks for a young Pro-Bowler who has yet to peak. Let's put it this way; here are the Dolphins' last 10 2nd round picks - I will offer you THREE players for Marshall, which ones will you choose? 2009: Pat White 2008: Phillip Merling 2007: John Beck [now in Baltimore] 2006: to Minnesota [who picked Ryan Cook] 2005: Matt Roth [now in Cleveland] 2004: to Bungles [who picked Madieu Williams] 2003: Eddie Moore [not in football] 2002: to Eagles [who picked Sheldon Brown] 2001: Chris Chambers [now in KC - 1 Pro Bowl] 2000: Todd Wade [now in Jacksonville on his 4th team] 1999: James Johnson [not in football] The Dolphins suck at drafting lol Bottom line about Dez vs Marshall: Dez's upside is what Marshall already is.
April 14, 201016 yr All that matters here is the ability of the Dolphins coaching staff to sort out Marshall's personality and off-field issues. If so, it's a steal getting him for two 2nd round picks. If not, that $50m contract of which like $25m is guaranteed looks awfully hefty.
April 14, 201016 yr Im very, very happy now. Excellent move for the Phins and now they are one step closer. Yeah, the Jets look great too, and both the Pats and Jets have pretty sick teams... and are favorites... but now with Marshall you certainly cant count the Dolphins out. Easily slotted 3rd in the projections although I wouldnt put them out of the playoffs just yet. Im still feeling as though we need another option on the offense. Perhaps another TE or WR... and for god sakes pray for the secondary.
April 14, 201016 yr Author gtfo. seriously. there's the door. A little harsh but... uh... yeah... Brandon Marshall is easily one of the best receivers in the league right now. You are giving up two #2 picks for a young Pro-Bowler who has yet to peak. Let's put it this way; here are the Dolphins' last 10 2nd round picks - I will offer you THREE players for Marshall, which ones will you choose? 2009: Pat White 2008: Phillip Merling 2007: John Beck [now in Baltimore] 2006: to Minnesota [who picked Ryan Cook] 2005: Matt Roth [now in Cleveland] 2004: to Bungles [who picked Madieu Williams] 2003: Eddie Moore [not in football] 2002: to Eagles [who picked Sheldon Brown] 2001: Chris Chambers [now in KC - 1 Pro Bowl] 2000: Todd Wade [now in Jacksonville on his 4th team] 1999: James Johnson [not in football] However, that doesn't mean that the 2nd rounders they would have taken are going to turn into busts. The dolphins for whatever reason really havent had much success with 2nd round picks the past ten years. Many other teams have. I'd still make the trade, but I wouldnt say I like it only because the dolphins havent drafted well in the 2nd round.
April 14, 201016 yr The trade's a fair value. Unlike the Holmes-5th pick, it benefits both teams in terms of value, especially with Marshall agreeing to a contract. Simply based off of talent level, and considering the Dolphins had to sign Marshall to their own contract, this seems like the right price (2 2nd round picks). Cant say either team is the loser here... of course it makes Denver significantly worse offensively but in terms of overall value they got a good deal.
April 14, 201016 yr I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes. One of the worst posts in the history of the board.
April 14, 201016 yr Great pickup, no doubt. So who do the Dolphins go after with their 12th pick? Someone to address our secondary problems? Perhaps trade down?
April 14, 201016 yr The trade's a fair value. Unlike the Holmes-5th pick, it benefits both teams in terms of value, especially with Marshall agreeing to a contract. Simply based off of talent level, and considering the Dolphins had to sign Marshall to their own contract, this seems like the right price (2 2nd round picks). Cant say either team is the loser here... of course it makes Denver significantly worse offensively but in terms of overall value they got a good deal. I disagree. It's only fair because of his conduct issues. Otherwise he is worth something more like a 1st and a 3rd. We're talking about a top-5 WR in all of football entering his prime years. If he were an upstanding citizen, he could even be worth a 1st and a 2nd, and maybe even a little more.
April 14, 201016 yr The trade's a fair value. Unlike the Holmes-5th pick, it benefits both teams in terms of value, especially with Marshall agreeing to a contract. Simply based off of talent level, and considering the Dolphins had to sign Marshall to their own contract, this seems like the right price (2 2nd round picks). Cant say either team is the loser here... of course it makes Denver significantly worse offensively but in terms of overall value they got a good deal. I disagree. It's only fair because of his conduct issues. Otherwise he is worth something more like a 1st and a 3rd. We're talking about a top-5 WR in all of football entering his prime years. If he were an upstanding citizen, he could even be worth a 1st and a 2nd, and maybe even a little more. You are talking about a restricted free agent without a contract, the deal was pretty fair. Dont forget, we traded for Brandon Marshall's negotiation rights... not Brandon Marshall's contract.
April 14, 201016 yr Author The trade's a fair value. Unlike the Holmes-5th pick, it benefits both teams in terms of value, especially with Marshall agreeing to a contract. Simply based off of talent level, and considering the Dolphins had to sign Marshall to their own contract, this seems like the right price (2 2nd round picks). Cant say either team is the loser here... of course it makes Denver significantly worse offensively but in terms of overall value they got a good deal. I disagree. It's only fair because of his conduct issues. Otherwise he is worth something more like a 1st and a 3rd. We're talking about a top-5 WR in all of football entering his prime years. If he were an upstanding citizen, he could even be worth a 1st and a 2nd, and maybe even a little more. Wr's really dont go for 1st rounders anymore. Welker, Holmes, Moss, Boldin, Braylon Edwards and now Marshall all went for 2nd rounders or higher. The last one I remember is Keyshawn from the Jets to Tampa for two 1st rounders. I agree that Denver got a decent return. I think they are going to take a step back this season. Actually they played over their heads the first half of last year, which is the only reason they had a decent record. Pittsburgh really didnt get much back for Holmes.
April 14, 201016 yr Author According to the draft value chart, the two 2nd rounders the dolphins gave would be equal to the 18th pick this year. So Denver got something worth a first rounder and the dolphins did have to give up a first rounder. Both teams win
April 14, 201016 yr Remember, the Dolphins have a really bad history of 2nd round draft picks recently. White, Beck, Satele, so getting Brandon Marshall for simply 2 2nd rounders is absolutely TERRIFIC VALUE! I know I said in the past I didn't want Marshall's attitude on the Dolphins, but his production simply cannot be ignored. If he can keep his act together, he is a top 4 WR in the NFL at the age of 26, now under contract for 4 years of his prime. Simply amazing trade that allows the Dolphins to focus on NT, OLB, and FS mainly in the first 3 rounds of the draft. This trade makes me happy inside.
April 14, 201016 yr I like the move if he doesn't waste his talent with off-the-field problems, but I don't like the contract. In his fourth year of the extension, he's going to be making $19 million, which is about what the elite QBs in the league make. I think Fitzgerald only makes 10 or 11 million per year. Marshall and Dansby alone are going to cost the Dolphins a fortune in the near future.
April 14, 201016 yr Author Remember, the Dolphins have a really bad history of 2nd round draft picks recently. White, Beck, Satele, so getting Brandon Marshall for simply 2 2nd rounders is absolutely TERRIFIC VALUE! I know I said in the past I didn't want Marshall's attitude on the Dolphins, but his production simply cannot be ignored. If he can keep his act together, he is a top 4 WR in the NFL at the age of 26, now under contract for 4 years of his prime. Simply amazing trade that allows the Dolphins to focus on NT, OLB, and FS mainly in the first 3 rounds of the draft. This trade makes me happy inside. I like the trade, but that is terrible logic.
April 14, 201016 yr I like the move... but I don't like the contract. I agree with this and see these as two different issues. In response to the OP, which is really about the pick up, the Dolphins made the right move. You guys haven't had a #1 receiver since [with all due respect to Chris Chambers] the "Marks Brothers." The only way this goes south is if he pulls a Ricky Williams or injures himself in a bar fight. Also, I brought up the Dolphins' last 10 2nd round picks specifically because that draft history is germane to this discussion. Like picking stocks, past performance does not guarantee future returns but damn if it isn't a good indicator. Historically speaking, two 2nd round Dolphins picks aren't worth a 1st round pick. They are pretty much worth a 3rd round pick. I wonder who the 5 best 2nd round picks in franchise history were??
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