I like the move... but I don't like the contract.

I agree with this and see these as two different issues. In response to the OP, which is really about the pick up, the Dolphins made the right move. You guys haven't had a #1 receiver since [with all due respect to Chris Chambers] the "Marks Brothers." The only way this goes south is if he pulls a Ricky Williams or injures himself in a bar fight.

 

Also, I brought up the Dolphins' last 10 2nd round picks specifically because that draft history is germane to this discussion. Like picking stocks, past performance does not guarantee future returns but damn if it isn't a good indicator. Historically speaking, two 2nd round Dolphins picks aren't worth a 1st round pick. They are pretty much worth a 3rd round pick.

 

I wonder who the 5 best 2nd round picks in franchise history were??

 

While that may be true, the people drafting now werent the people picking the players early in the decade. It'd be like saying the dolphins had a tough time at Lambeau Field in 2002, so they probably have another tough time in 2010.

Remember, the Dolphins have a really bad history of 2nd round draft picks recently. White, Beck, Satele, so getting Brandon Marshall for simply 2 2nd rounders is absolutely TERRIFIC VALUE!

 

I know I said in the past I didn't want Marshall's attitude on the Dolphins, but his production simply cannot be ignored. If he can keep his act together, he is a top 4 WR in the NFL at the age of 26, now under contract for 4 years of his prime. Simply amazing trade that allows the Dolphins to focus on NT, OLB, and FS mainly in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

 

This trade makes me happy inside.

 

 

I like the trade, but that is terrible logic.

 

How is that horrible logic? Brandon Marshall, if on the field, is as close to a guaranteed Pro Bowl WR as there ever has been. 2nd round picks are highly unreliable, hell very few 2nd rounders become Pro Bowlers, with many busting out as starters, and some never even getting the chance to start at all. Add the high fail factor when it comes to 2nd rounders to our need for a WR and no WR's in this draft after Dez Bryant having any true #1 potential, and this was a great deal, and well worth the 2 2nd rounders we spent. Hell I'd call that a bargain for a 26 year old who is coming off back to back 100 reception seasons.

going to a run heavy team with an unproven quarterback....and living it up on south beach with a fat new contract... that should be interesting to say the least. no doubting he is as talented as they come but hes about as big an idiot as there is. if theres one guy who could make the whole thing work its the big tuna. so this will be interesting to watch as an outsider.

Remember, the Dolphins have a really bad history of 2nd round draft picks recently. White, Beck, Satele, so getting Brandon Marshall for simply 2 2nd rounders is absolutely TERRIFIC VALUE!

 

I know I said in the past I didn't want Marshall's attitude on the Dolphins, but his production simply cannot be ignored. If he can keep his act together, he is a top 4 WR in the NFL at the age of 26, now under contract for 4 years of his prime. Simply amazing trade that allows the Dolphins to focus on NT, OLB, and FS mainly in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

 

This trade makes me happy inside.

 

 

I like the trade, but that is terrible logic.

 

How is that horrible logic? Brandon Marshall, if on the field, is as close to a guaranteed Pro Bowl WR as there ever has been. 2nd round picks are highly unreliable, hell very few 2nd rounders become Pro Bowlers, with many busting out as starters, and some never even getting the chance to start at all. Add the high fail factor when it comes to 2nd rounders to our need for a WR and no WR's in this draft after Dez Bryant having any true #1 potential, and this was a great deal, and well worth the 2 2nd rounders we spent. Hell I'd call that a bargain for a 26 year old who is coming off back to back 100 reception seasons.

 

Saying its great value solely because the dolphins have drafted poorly in the second round is foolish. I have already stated that I think its a good trade, one that I would make. But to come out and say its great value because the dolphins blow 2nd round draft picks is not good logic. If that were the case, then why dont the dolphins start trading 2nd round picks for 3rd round picks since they have had better luck then?

Remember, the Dolphins have a really bad history of 2nd round draft picks recently. White, Beck, Satele, so getting Brandon Marshall for simply 2 2nd rounders is absolutely TERRIFIC VALUE!

 

I know I said in the past I didn't want Marshall's attitude on the Dolphins, but his production simply cannot be ignored. If he can keep his act together, he is a top 4 WR in the NFL at the age of 26, now under contract for 4 years of his prime. Simply amazing trade that allows the Dolphins to focus on NT, OLB, and FS mainly in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

 

This trade makes me happy inside.

 

 

I like the trade, but that is terrible logic.

 

I don't think that logic is all that terrible. There are a lot of teams around the league that hit on second rounders frequently, but more that don't. The point is, a second rounder is a question mark and best case scenario is that they turn into Marshall, only with a better attitude. While the value for receivers, like running backs, is not extremely high right now, Marshall is perhaps the most talented receiver in the league and could put up all-time great numbers by the time his career is done. The potential of any player turning into Marshall is miniscule.

gtfo.

 

seriously.

 

there's the door.

 

A little harsh but... uh... yeah... Brandon Marshall is easily one of the best receivers in the league right now. You are giving up two #2 picks for a young Pro-Bowler who has yet to peak.

 

Let's put it this way; here are the Dolphins' last 10 2nd round picks - I will offer you THREE players for Marshall, which ones will you choose?

 

2009: Pat White

2008: Phillip Merling

2007: John Beck [now in Baltimore]

2006: to Minnesota [who picked Ryan Cook]

2005: Matt Roth [now in Cleveland]

2004: to Bungles [who picked Madieu Williams]

2003: Eddie Moore [not in football]

2002: to Eagles [who picked Sheldon Brown]

2001: Chris Chambers [now in KC - 1 Pro Bowl]

2000: Todd Wade [now in Jacksonville on his 4th team]

1999: James Johnson [not in football]

 

However, that doesn't mean that the 2nd rounders they would have taken are going to turn into busts. The dolphins for whatever reason really havent had much success with 2nd round picks the past ten years. Many other teams have.

 

I'd still make the trade, but I wouldnt say I like it only because the dolphins havent drafted well in the 2nd round.

The last ten years of our draft picks makes me enjoy this trade even more. Finally we have an all star caliber WR

Brandon Marshall is much better than Boldin, Welker, etc.

 

I understand they only traded for his negotiation rights, but at least they got to negotiate a contract at "fair market value". I think it's a good return given Marshall's issues, but if he had Tom Brady's character, I would think he would have fetched a 1st and a 3rd.

^, that sounds familiar.

I honestly think Marshall's issues are a tad less severe as everyone thinks. I agree he had some huge issues last season early on, specifically pre-season and whatnot, but as the season went on I dont think those issues were nearly as apparent as what was happening before the season started and I dont think it will continue to be a severe underlying issue. The point I'm trying to make is that as long as his attitude isnt bad enough to get him suspended by the team like it did last year and affect his play, I dont think the Dolphins should worry.

 

And in regards to the south beach, unproven QB, run heavy team... I definitely dont think Marshall is a lazy player who will simply be satisfied by his contract. He definitely has issues, but I think he wants to be a winner.

This is a great pickup. Wonder who lines up on the other side of the formation. My guess is either Hartline or Ginn. If we can get our TE to perform above average, I think that will open up lots of opportunities for Ginn. There is no doubt Marshall will get his 100 receptions and 1400 yards. Our running game is outstanding, and Marshall's arrival will make it more effective. If the TE steps up, I think Ginn will get many opportunities to go deep. He could prove to be a solid number 2 and a very huge deep threat.

The beauty of Marshall is the yds after catch. He's so smooth with even a remotely open field that while having the arm of Henne is great... having the mentality of Pennington is even greater.

I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes.

 

 

One of the worst posts in the history of the board.

 

If you would open your eyes and not be such a damn homer you would realize that the Broncos were a much more complete team last season with Marshall then you are this season, and they could only go 8-8. He was not worth any more than one (1) second round pick, and he is not even close to worth the money. Talent wise he is, but a lot of players could be great if only talent mattered. Its time to open your eyes, the Dolphins are going to sell tickets with this trade, but that is it.

 

 

You guys are blinded by the light that you got a VERY talented wideout, and I understand the excitement that at least your team is trying to compete with the elite Jets and Patriots, but on paper right now I just can't see it.

 

gtfo.

 

seriously.

 

there's the door.

 

 

If they go over .500 (9-7 or better) next season I will delete my account and leave the boards forever. Mark it down.

Pardon me for speaking for Puma, but what was ridiculous was your assertion that this hurts them more than it helps them. That's a joke.

 

As for their record, who knows?

If you would open your eyes and not be such a damn homer you would realize that the Broncos were a much more complete team last season with Marshall then you are this season, and they could only go 8-8. He was not worth any more than one (1) second round pick, and he is not even close to worth the money. Talent wise he is, but a lot of players could be great if only talent mattered. Its time to open your eyes, the Dolphins are going to sell tickets with this trade, but that is it.

 

 

You guys are blinded by the light that you got a VERY talented wideout, and I understand the excitement that at least your team is trying to compete with the elite Jets and Patriots, but on paper right now I just can't see it.

 

 

 

 

If you'd open your eyes, you'd realize that like half the Dolphins roster was on IR last season and had only one more loss than the Broncos did.

I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes.

 

 

One of the worst posts in the history of the board.

 

If you would open your eyes and not be such a damn homer you would realize that the Broncos were a much more complete team last season with Marshall then you are this season, and they could only go 8-8. He was not worth any more than one (1) second round pick, and he is not even close to worth the money. Talent wise he is, but a lot of players could be great if only talent mattered. Its time to open your eyes, the Dolphins are going to sell tickets with this trade, but that is it.

 

 

You guys are blinded by the light that you got a VERY talented wideout, and I understand the excitement that at least your team is trying to compete with the elite Jets and Patriots, but on paper right now I just can't see it.

 

gtfo.

 

seriously.

 

there's the door.

 

 

If they go over .500 (9-7 or better) next season I will delete my account and leave the boards forever. Mark it down.

 

Are you serious? While I agree that comment was uncalled for, very agressive, and very rude, you cant possibly be serious with that comment.

 

The Broncos were not a complete team at all last season. They had 1 WR, with an utter failure for such high expectations in Eddie Royal. Now, they are left with just Royal. They had a mediocre QB. They had poor running backs. They had good defensive chemistry. Their defense was pretty much all they offered. They were an average team who started off with fire and ended with ice, end of story.

 

The Dolphins were a 7-9 team last season who should have easily been a 9-7 team, if not a 10-6 team. They lost games in which they held the lead the entire time, and lost games to bad teams but beat good teams. They had a rookie QB. They had a horrible set of safeties including injuries.

 

With players returning from injuries, having a top 5 WR in the league incorperated in the mix who has both a deep threat and a short pass threat, having a significant running game, and a young QB who most likely will only get better as he ages, getting their veteran leader QB back, and getting younger at the same time can only benefit this team. I'd say the bottom the Dolphins could be is 8-8, and the top they could be is 12-4. Dont be surprised if the AFC east sees 3 10+ winning teams.

 

That being said I still think the Dolphins are certainly the lesser of the 3, and getting into the playoffs is going to be very hard for them, but to think that 7-9 is the Dolphins cap and you will delete your account if they do better than that... you are betting your odds against you.

I think this will hurt the Dolphins more than help them to be honest. I, as a Kyle Orton fan, am SO glad that Marshall is out of Denver. I see the Dolphins going 7-9 next year, just no way to compete with the Jets and the Patriots, too many holes.

 

 

One of the worst posts in the history of the board.

 

If you would open your eyes and not be such a damn homer you would realize that the Broncos were a much more complete team last season with Marshall then you are this season, and they could only go 8-8. He was not worth any more than one (1) second round pick, and he is not even close to worth the money. Talent wise he is, but a lot of players could be great if only talent mattered. Its time to open your eyes, the Dolphins are going to sell tickets with this trade, but that is it.

 

 

You guys are blinded by the light that you got a VERY talented wideout, and I understand the excitement that at least your team is trying to compete with the elite Jets and Patriots, but on paper right now I just can't see it.

 

gtfo.

 

seriously.

 

there's the door.

 

 

If they go over .500 (9-7 or better) next season I will delete my account and leave the boards forever. Mark it down.

 

Are you serious? While I agree that comment was uncalled for, very agressive, and very rude, you cant possibly be serious with that comment.

 

The Broncos were not a complete team at all last season. They had 1 WR, with an utter failure for such high expectations in Eddie Royal. Now, they are left with just Royal. They had a mediocre QB. They had poor running backs. They had good defensive chemistry. Their defense was pretty much all they offered. They were an average team who started off with fire and ended with ice, end of story.

 

The Dolphins were a 7-9 team last season who should have easily been a 9-7 team, if not a 10-6 team. They lost games in which they held the lead the entire time, and lost games to bad teams but beat good teams. They had a rookie QB. They had a horrible set of safeties including injuries.

 

 

If you are going to argue that, then you can just as easily argue that the dolphins could have lost both Jets games and the Patriots game as well. They could be 4-12 as easy as they could be 9-7.

I don't see how you can say that, JetsMania. We lost games due to horrible calls by referees. The one against Houston that took away the TGJ TD, one against Tennessee that put them in FG range in OT, and one against NO where Sharper fumbled the ball right in front of the referee, but he didn't call a TB.

If you are going to argue that, then you can just as easily argue that the dolphins could have lost both Jets games and the Patriots game as well. They could be 4-12 as easy as they could be 9-7.

 

 

 

If you are a Jets fan (which you are), I'm not saying it's not okay to argue that you guys could have won those games.

 

The bottom line is that we did win it, so it's to none of our concern. However we could have won the other games as well. You are right, we could have been 4-12. Cant any team be 4-12? The fact is we WERE 7-9. How can you argue that a team that was able to be 7-9 last year cant top that while getting significantly better? My points adding on the fact that they could've won the other games was just a side note. It's not like the games they lost or won were blowouts. They were in almost every single game last year. They are a highly competitive team, even to the best teams in the league. To both Superbowl teams. To the Jets, who were a lot better than people thought. So how can you state that 7-9 is the cap for an improved competitive team?

If you are going to argue that, then you can just as easily argue that the dolphins could have lost both Jets games and the Patriots game as well. They could be 4-12 as easy as they could be 9-7.

 

 

 

If you are a Jets fan (which you are), I'm not saying it's not okay to argue that you guys could have won those games.

 

The bottom line is that we did win it, so it's to none of our concern. However we could have won the other games as well. You are right, we could have been 4-12. Cant any team be 4-12? The fact is we WERE 7-9. How can you argue that a team that was able to be 7-9 last year cant top that while getting significantly better? My points adding on the fact that they could've won the other games was just a side note. It's not like the games they lost or won were blowouts. They were in almost every single game last year. They are a highly competitive team, even to the best teams in the league. To both Superbowl teams. To the Jets, who were a lot better than people thought. So how can you state that 7-9 is the cap for an improved competitive team?

 

Where in any of my posts have I said that?

 

I havent even stated how I think the dolphins will do next year. I was just responding to your post saying how the dolphins could have been 9-7 or 10-6. They could just as easily have been 4-12. How many times does a team get 103 yards offense, tie an nfl record and score three non-offensive touchdowns in a game? In the first game the dolphins took the lead with 4 seconds left.

 

The Jets were 9-7 last year. They could have beaten the Dolphins both times, Buffalo, Atlanta, etc... they didnt though.

 

At the end of the day you are what your record is. The dolphins were a 7-9 team. I haven't said anywhere that they aren't improved. But the fact is they were a 7-9 team last year, no matter how its spun.

I don't see how you can say that, JetsMania. We lost games due to horrible calls by referees. The one against Houston that took away the TGJ TD, one against Tennessee that put them in FG range in OT, and one against NO where Sharper fumbled the ball right in front of the referee, but he didn't call a TB.

 

 

Blaming refs or allowing 27 first half points? Whats the real reason here?

 

The dolphins could very easily have lost to the jets not once but twice. Everything went wrong for the patriots in that 22-21 loss. How often do the patriots throw an int inside the 4 yard line? If I recall Tampa Bay gave the dolphins a fight.

 

There is nothing wrong with saying your team could have beaten other teams, just realize that things could have gone the other way as well.

I don't see how you can say that, JetsMania. We lost games due to horrible calls by referees. The one against Houston that took away the TGJ TD, one against Tennessee that put them in FG range in OT, and one against NO where Sharper fumbled the ball right in front of the referee, but he didn't call a TB.

 

 

Blaming refs or allowing 27 first half points? Whats the real reason here?

 

The dolphins could very easily have lost to the jets not once but twice. Everything went wrong for the patriots in that 22-21 loss. How often do the patriots throw an int inside the 4 yard line? If I recall Tampa Bay gave the dolphins a fight.

 

There is nothing wrong with saying your team could have beaten other teams, just realize that things could have gone the other way as well.

 

That doesn't take away the horrible call by the refs in OT.

 

That's not what he's getting at here, though. Your starting an argument for no reason. All he's saying is we have the talent to be a 9-7 team now. How, with an offseason of upgrades, are we going to do worse? It makes no sense.

 

Those games are just examples of how we can easily be a 10-6, playoff team.

I don't see how you can say that, JetsMania. We lost games due to horrible calls by referees. The one against Houston that took away the TGJ TD, one against Tennessee that put them in FG range in OT, and one against NO where Sharper fumbled the ball right in front of the referee, but he didn't call a TB.

 

 

Blaming refs or allowing 27 first half points? Whats the real reason here?

 

The dolphins could very easily have lost to the jets not once but twice. Everything went wrong for the patriots in that 22-21 loss. How often do the patriots throw an int inside the 4 yard line? If I recall Tampa Bay gave the dolphins a fight.

 

There is nothing wrong with saying your team could have beaten other teams, just realize that things could have gone the other way as well.

 

That doesn't take away the horrible call by the refs in OT.

 

That's not what he's getting at here, though. Your starting an argument for no reason. All he's saying is we have the talent to be a 9-7 team now. How, with an offseason of upgrades, are we going to do worse? It makes no sense.

 

Those games are just examples of how we can easily be a 10-6, playoff team.

 

Trust me I'm not stirring the pot. Maybe in late June, but not a week before the draft.

 

He's saying you have a 9-7 team now. I'm saying you have a 4-12 team now. You can make a case for both can you not?

 

As for the bolded statement above, that then means the Jets will be better as well?

No, you can't. This is NOT a 4-12 team. Last year showed we can easily be a playoff team. Just watch a replay of the Saints and Colts games. That shows what we are capable of. Add the great offseason we had, and this is a potential playoff team.

 

As for the Jets, yes. They did improve and they will be better, unless Sanchez plays that bad.

No, you can't. This is NOT a 4-12 team. Last year showed we can easily be a playoff team. Just watch a replay of the Saints and Colts games. That shows what we are capable of. Add the great offseason we had, and this is a potential playoff team.

 

As for the Jets, yes. They did improve and they will be better, unless Sanchez plays that bad.

 

 

Tampa Bay showed promise when they beat the super bowl champs week 16, Buffalo beat the Jets and Colts, etc... Teams show promise in individual games. There is no doubt about it.

 

If the dolphins were not a 4-12 team last year, then they are NOT a 10-6 team. They had games they blew, and games they stole. That's how it works for all teams. I haven't once stated they dolphins are not improved. All I'm saying is that there are two sides to every coin.

 

You want to say the dolphins could have beaten the titans and texans. I'll say the could have lost to the jets 2x and patriots.

 

I'll say the Jets could have beaten the Dolphins 2x, Buffalo and Atlanta, you could say they could have lost to Colts if they had tried.

 

All teams think they improve from one year to a next. Injuries, schedule and luck determine if they actually improve or not.

No, you can't. This is NOT a 4-12 team. Last year showed we can easily be a playoff team. Just watch a replay of the Saints and Colts games. That shows what we are capable of. Add the great offseason we had, and this is a potential playoff team.

 

As for the Jets, yes. They did improve and they will be better, unless Sanchez plays that bad.

 

 

 

They still lost both those games. This is silly. I guess if we're taking into account the games you almost won against great teams, we should also take into account barely beating Tampa Bay and Jacksonville. Those things even out; the bottom line is you went 7-9.

 

The only major upgrade on the team is Brandon Marshall, btw. Dansby is an upgrade too, but then again you lost 2 linebackers; overall, the defense doesn't look too great, at the moment. At least wait until the draft is over to start making predictions.