All-Star Voting...

[babaru]

I know there is still time, but for Uggs to not even be in the top five of NL 2B is a crime, let alone Rollins holding first(albeit a slim lead) over Hanley.

 

 

 

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2009 MLB All-Star Balloting : National League

 

 

1st Base

RANKPLAYER NAMENL TEAMTOTAL VOTES

 

1.Albert PujolsCardinals647,666

2.Ryan HowardPhillies329,673

3.Prince FielderBrewers200,395

4.James LoneyDodgers116,850

5.Lance BerkmanAstros112,589

 

 

2nd Base

RANKPLAYER NAMENL TEAMTOTAL VOTES

 

1.Chase UtleyPhillies687,724

2.Rickie WeeksBrewers169,941

3.Martin PradoBraves134,993

4.Kelly JohnsonD-backs118,342

5.Skip SchumakerCardinals112,365

 

 

3rd Base

RANKPLAYER NAMENL TEAMTOTAL VOTES

 

1.Placido PolancoPhillies309,458

2.David WrightMets236,387

3.Casey McGeheeBrewers185,312

4.Pablo SandovalGiants160,179

5.Chipper JonesBraves143,558

 

 

Shortstop

RANKPLAYER NAMENL TEAMTOTAL VOTES

 

1.Jimmy RollinsPhillies340,747

2.Hanley RamirezMarlins309,244

3.Alcides EscobarBrewers151,710

4.Rafael FurcalDodgers144,209

5.Jose ReyesMets137,321

 

 

 

 

Catcher

RANKPLAYER NAMENL TEAMTOTAL VOTES

 

1.Yadier MolinaCardinals316,795

2.Carlos RuizPhillies259,227

3.Ivan RodriguezNationals247,998

4.Brian McCannBraves203,377

5.Russell MartinDodgers160,698

 

 

Outfield

RANKPLAYER NAMENL TEAMTOTAL VOTES

 

1.Ryan BraunBrewers423,834

2.Jayson WerthPhillies365,402

3.Shane VictorinoPhillies348,841

4.Andre EthierDodgers316,383

5.Matt HollidayCardinals309,463

6.Jason HeywardBraves304,547

7.Matt KempDodgers249,554

8.Raul IbanezPhillies248,450

9.Manny RamirezDodgers217,694

10.Jason BayMets191,181

11.Alfonso SorianoCubs177,061

12.Jim EdmondsBrewers162,130

13.Justin UptonD-backs154,502

14.Carlos GomezBrewers140,145

15.Colby RasmusCardinals139,519

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Results updated: Tuesday, May 25, 2010

 

 

 

 

 

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[Admin]

Take the voting away from the fans. If they won't do that, then they need to stop making it decide home-field advantage for the World Series. It shouldn't really decide that as it is but especially if it's just a popularity contest.

[babaru]

Take the voting away from the fans. If they won't do that, then they need to stop making it decide home-field advantage for the World Series. It shouldn't really decide that as it is but especially if it's just a popularity contest.

 

 

I'm all for letting managers and players vote for the all star team, and you could maybe keep the fans voting on the final player or something along those lines.

[dim]

Jimmy Rollins is terrible and I am a moron.

Rickie Weeks though is pretty funny. He's having a terrible year.

 

It does look like Phillies fans decided to vote early though.

[Admin]

Rollins is having a better year than HanRam...

 

 

What?

 

Rollins has been injured most of the season. He's only played in 12 games.

[dim]

And that's why I have to stop quick checking stats and reporting...

 

Carry on.

[Admin]

I don't think fan voting needs to be eliminated entirely but they need to consider eliminating paper ballots at the stadium. The Phillies have been averaging attendance over 100% all season long, which leads me to think it's people showing up at the stadium stuffing the ballot.

 

If you force Phillies fans to vote online, I suspect you wouldn't see people like Polanco leading in certain categories.

[gizmo]

The All-Star game is a joke now anyway. The fan voting just makes it worse.

[BroncoBob27]

I know there is still time, but for Uggs to not even be in the top five of NL 2B is a crime, let alone Rollins holding first(albeit a slim lead) over Hanley.

 

 

Uggla's last performance starting the ASG has probably soured alot of fans. I understand that from folks that don't see him play every day.

 

I agree with taking the vote away from the fans. I also think the WS managers shouldn't be filling out the rosters on their own. Too many guys are added from their own teams just as a thank you for the previous season, even tho more deserving guys could fill the spots.

 

I don't vote for or watch the ASG. I'm not much for popularity contests. But the Home Run Derby and the Celebrity Softball Game are entertaining.

[floridafly]

Yup, I don't like fan voting one bit. Maybe you should have to pass a baseball test or something before being able to vote...

 

Berkman 5th in 1st Base voting?

Chipper 5th in 3rd Base voting?

J-Roll 1st in SS voting?!?!?!

 

And it looks as if the Brewers have been ballot stuffing...

[DcFishFan]

I don't think fan voting needs to be eliminated entirely but they need to consider eliminating paper ballots at the stadium. The Phillies have been averaging attendance over 100% all season long, which leads me to think it's people showing up at the stadium stuffing the ballot.

 

If you force Phillies fans to vote online, I suspect you wouldn't see people like Polanco leading in certain categories.

 

 

i doubt most philly fans even know how to use a computer...

[MVETOY]

Come on guys, all ASG voting has always been a popularity contest, last year Shaq was hurt all year and he was voted to start, so it is nothing new, we have to get our fans to stuff the boxes like the other teams, would we be complaining or want it change if some of our guys were voted in if they were hurt or having a bad year, we have fair weather fans who get on the board like experts with stats for every thing but don't go to a game,

[fanofthefish]

Take the voting away from the fans. If they won't do that, then they need to stop making it decide home-field advantage for the World Series. It shouldn't really decide that as it is but especially if it's just a popularity contest.

 

 

I'm all for letting managers and players vote for the all star team, and you could maybe keep the fans voting on the final player or something along those lines.

Do you think Hanley or Uggla would get the vote from their peers? We know they're great players, I'd be interested to see what the rest of the league thought

[Rabbethan]

Take the voting away from the fans. If they won't do that, then they need to stop making it decide home-field advantage for the World Series. It shouldn't really decide that as it is but especially if it's just a popularity contest.

 

 

I'm all for letting managers and players vote for the all star team, and you could maybe keep the fans voting on the final player or something along those lines.

Do you think Hanley or Uggla would get the vote from their peers? We know they're great players, I'd be interested to see what the rest of the league thought

That's how Uggla's gotten to 2 All-Star games.

[Dr Beinfest]

they need to formulate a system where starters/bench are chosen by a basis the same way personel chose Cy Young, MVP, etc.

 

Except they can give the fans so many votes. So fans can make up x% of the voting.

[BroncoBob27]

I don't think fan voting needs to be eliminated entirely but they need to consider eliminating paper ballots at the stadium. The Phillies have been averaging attendance over 100% all season long, which leads me to think it's people showing up at the stadium stuffing the ballot.

 

If you force Phillies fans to vote online, I suspect you wouldn't see people like Polanco leading in certain categories.

 

 

So you want to punish teams that have good attendance? And/or are you saying fans of certain teams are too stupid to know how to vote online?

 

I say just the opposite. Stop the online voting.

 

And while we are at it.....Stop allowing online buying of playoff tickets (at the very least) for the first 6 hours or so of them going on sale at box offices. Again, something that dosen't affect me, but I don't think it's fair to those that actually go to the box offices early and wait in line only to be told the games have sold out.

[Dr Beinfest]

I don't think fan voting needs to be eliminated entirely but they need to consider eliminating paper ballots at the stadium. The Phillies have been averaging attendance over 100% all season long, which leads me to think it's people showing up at the stadium stuffing the ballot.

 

If you force Phillies fans to vote online, I suspect you wouldn't see people like Polanco leading in certain categories.

 

 

So you want to punish teams that have good attendance? And/or are you saying fans of certain teams are too stupid to know how to vote online?

 

I say just the opposite. Stop the online voting.

 

And while we are at it.....Stop allowing online buying of playoff tickets (at the very least) for the first 6 hours or so of them going on sale at box offices. Again, something that dosen't affect me, but I don't think it's fair to those that actually go to the box offices early and wait in line only to be told the games have sold out.

 

What? That logic makes no sense... it's not "punishing" them at all. Is the object of voting through the fans not to get the overall consenus of who the fans think should be an all-star? So if one fanbase has 10x the voice another fanbase has... then their opinions are weighted more. The idea would be to get everyones fair and balanced opinion. Because as a whole, the fans decide who starts at the all star game.

 

Both are stupid. It is stupid that you can vote to infinity if you want as well. I dont see how that makes any sense. Vote as many times as you want?

 

Okay.. so next presidential election... HEY EVERYBODY VOTE AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT!!! WHICHEVER POLITICAL PARTY HAS THE MOST DIEHARD FANS WINS!!!

 

Retarded. Vote once. Period. Maybe once a day. Fine. It's not hard to stop people from multiple votes... unless of course that person wants to continuously use different computers, etc. whatever but for the most part 1 vote per day pretty much makes the majority of fans vote... only once.

 

Like I said before though... fan voting should be limited. Give them only a portion of the overall ranking for the all stars.

[MrMarlinPride]

In my opinion, online balloting should be taken away.

I mean any old average joe can go on a computer use 50 different or fake emails and vote thousands of times for there favorite players.

There needs to be some controlled way where fans can vote only once per game like giving them a ballot or a few ballots as they walk in the stadium and that being it because it is just getting out hand and the best player from their respective position should deserve to start in the All Star game.

[Dr Beinfest]

In my opinion, online balloting should be taken away.

I mean any old average joe can go on a computer use 50 different or fake emails and vote thousands of times for there favorite players.

There needs to be some controlled way where fans can vote only once per game like giving them a ballot or a few ballots as they walk in the stadium and that being it because it is just getting out hand and the best player from their respective position should deserve to start in the All Star game.

 

 

Maybe they should take voting away from the mix completely? Perhaps it should be based off of a performance score? I dunno... I really hate the idea of giving fans (a good 75% of which are ignorant) the right to vote. Oh wait... I made a funny .

 

It shouldnt be email based. It should be IP based. The NBA at one point in time implemented this system where each computer has the ability to vote once per day. After voting you are unable to access the voting system for another 24 hours. This is not hard to get around if you are internet savvy, but for the most part it keeps almost all fans in check with voting.

 

They probably got scared at the fact that they had significantly lower numbers than in baseball. Of the some 2 million or so balloted votes how many do you think are unique users? I'd guess less than 500,000...

 

Maybe MLB fans should do something drastic... perhaps a "Vote for Rory" style act. Get Jorge Julio to the all-star game to show how stupid this system is.

[CyggyMarlin]

At this point, I care more about the team winning ballgames over who gets into an exhibition game

[Hammerhead]

The perfect example of why "fan" voting should've be done away with the second the ASG started to mean something. I know we have this discussion every year but it bears repeating every year.

 

Thanks for the merge. Didn't see this thread.

[MiamiLifer247]

Why is everyone complaining about fans voting... Let's just stuff the vallots like all other teams do...

 

Think the FO is doing a great job by providing incentives for fans to complete hundreds of ballots and vote for all marlins players regardless of performance..

[MiamiLifer247]

Stop whinning and do something....

[MrMarlinPride]

Why is everyone complaining about fans voting... Let's just stuff the vallots like all other teams do...

 

Think the FO is doing a great job by providing incentives for fans to complete hundreds of ballots and vote for all marlins players regardless of performance..

 

 

There's a few factors involved.

1. The Phillies have much better attendance at home games the the Marlins do as they pretty much sell out every game, this give them more opportunities to just stuff ballots and I'm sure they are doing what the Marlins do and rewarding fans prizes for filling out a certain amount of ballots per game.

 

2. Most Marlins fans that I know don't want to just vote for an All Marlins All Star team but vote for the best players at each position so the NL does well in the All Star game and gets that Homefield advantage.

 

Personally the Only Marlins I voted for were Hanley at SS and my homer picks are split between Dan Uggla at 2nd and Jorge Cantu at 3rd. The rest I have are Pujols, Utley, Zimmerman, Yadier Molina, Eithier, Braun and Werth.

[Hammerhead]

Why is everyone complaining about fans voting... Let's just stuff the vallots like all other teams do...

 

Think the FO is doing a great job by providing incentives for fans to complete hundreds of ballots and vote for all marlins players regardless of performance..

 

Because it turns into a competition of fanbase size. Selection should be based on performance first. When fans vote, it's not even third.