July 2, 201016 yr Comparisons of Ubaldo Jimenez and Josh Johnson ERA: Both at 1.83 BAA: JJ .199/Ubaldo .203 WHIP JJ .96/Ubaldo 1.05 K/BB: JJ 107 K's 27 BB's/ Ubaldo 102 K's 40 BB's CG: JJ 1 CG/Ubaldo 3 CG W/L: JJ 8-3/Ubaldo 14-1 IP JJ 108 IP/Ubaldo 113 IP Average Player Rating- JJ 6.5/Ubaldo 7.8 http://espn.go.com/m...http://espn.go.com/mlb/playerratings/_/type/pitching/league/nl/position/sp/rating/average I'm not going to lie, the numbers are close, but the only sizeable difference in which Ubaldo is better than JJ is in W/L record, and probably the reason he'll be named the starter over JJ. However, if you look closely, the argument can be made JJ is the more deserving pitcher, however if you go strictly by the numbers either pitcher is worthy of starting the game.
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him.
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more.
July 2, 201016 yr IF Ubaldo has 15 wins by the AS game he deserves to start without question No, this is just a case of the win-loss stat being overrated. It just shows that Ubaldo has gotten more consistent run support than JJ.
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more. And why is that?
July 2, 201016 yr IF Ubaldo has 15 wins by the AS game he deserves to start without question No, this is just a case of the win-loss stat being overrated. It just shows that Ubaldo has gotten more consistent run support than JJ. Not talking about a case of someone with 1.00 ERA and a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA Dude...Its a no-brainer...Too bad JJ is getting screwed for his Bullpen
July 2, 201016 yr IF Ubaldo has 15 wins by the AS game he deserves to start without question No, this is just a case of the win-loss stat being overrated. It just shows that Ubaldo has gotten more consistent run support than JJ. Not talking about a case of someone with 1.00 ERA and a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA Dude...Its a no-brainer...Too bad JJ is getting screwed for his Bullpen So basically, JJ can't start the game because things that aren't in his control haven't gone his way, such as lack of run support in some starts/the bullpen sucking for him. Fact of the matter is, JJ has been slightly better thus far this year, even though it doesn't seem that way because Ubaldo had an incredible start. Jimenez has comeback to life, lately.
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more. And why is that? He has a better ERA+ and pitches longer into games. ERA+ Ubaldo - 244 JJ - 227 Innings per start: Ubaldo - 7.06 JJ - 6.75
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more. And why is that? He has a better ERA+ and pitches longer into games. ERA+ Ubaldo - 244 JJ - 227 Innings per start: Ubaldo - 7.06 JJ - 6.75 It helps that Jimenez has been the luckier pitcher of the two this year, but point well taken. You've only posted 2 statistics there, and the difference is minimal. The difference in innings is 5. Not a huge difference. JJ has a better WHIP, K/BB, and pretty much has been better than Jimenez in all advanced statistics, this year. Obviously, Charlie Manuel won't care to look at advanced statistics, but an intelligent baseball fan can go to fangraphs, etc. and see who the better pitcher has been thus far this year. It's Josh Johnson. Not JJ's fault that his bullpen, defense, and offense (things he can't control) suck more.
July 2, 201016 yr IF Ubaldo has 15 wins by the AS game he deserves to start without question No, this is just a case of the win-loss stat being overrated. It just shows that Ubaldo has gotten more consistent run support than JJ. yep! Not talking about a case of someone with 1.00 ERA and a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA Dude...Its a no-brainer...Too bad JJ is getting screwed for his Bullpen So basically, JJ can't start the game because things that aren't in his control haven't gone his way, such as lack of run support in some starts/the bullpen sucking for him. Fact of the matter is, JJ has been slightly better thus far this year, even though it doesn't seem that way because Ubaldo had an incredible start. Jimenez has comeback to life, lately. yep! That's about it!
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more. And why is that? He has a better ERA+ and pitches longer into games. ERA+ Ubaldo - 244 JJ - 227 Innings per start: Ubaldo - 7.06 JJ - 6.75 It helps that Jimenez has been the luckier pitcher of the two this year, but point well taken. You've only posted 2 statistics there, and the difference is minimal. The difference in innings is 5. Not a huge difference. JJ has a better WHIP, K/BB, and pretty much has been better than Jimenez in all advanced statistics, this year. Obviously, Charlie Manuel won't care to look at advanced statistics, but an intelligent baseball fan can go to fangraphs, etc. and see who the better pitcher has been thus far this year. It's Josh Johnson. Not JJ's fault that his bullpen, defense, and offense (things he can't control) suck more. I only posted those two because the starters job is to prevent the other team from scoring and to pitch as many innings as possible to minimize the use of the bullpen and those two stats cover them. OPS allowed, WHIP, K/BB, ect. are fine stats but not as good as ERA+ and innings per starts in measurign how well a starter has pitched.
July 2, 201016 yr If JJ pitches lights out in his next 2 starts against Atlanta and LA then maybe that will give him the slight nudge to start the All Star Game. Charlie Manuel is also far more familiar with JJ and knows first hand how much of a stud he is.
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more. And why is that? As much as I love Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jimenez will probably get the start in the All-Star game. Not only has he pitched more innings but he has a much better record. Also, let's not forget about Ubaldo's no-hitter earlier this season.
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more. And why is that? As much as I love Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jimenez will probably get the start in the All-Star game. Not only has he pitched more innings but he has a much better record. Also, let's not forget about Ubaldo's no-hitter earlier this season. That's irrelevant. And as I said, having a better record is dependent on his team. So that just leaves the 5 extra innings he's pitched, as the only relevant point.
July 2, 201016 yr I think some of you are being too purist and forgetting that the ASG is mainly a marketing gimmick. I wish Selig would end the silly home field advantage nonsense, so we can fully consider the ASG to be what it always has been: an exhibition game. Johnson is the best starting pitcher in the NL statistically. However, Jimenez is the better name and the name that will draw more attention if he were to be the starting pitcher. I think the W-L record emphasis is silly myself, but the common fan doesn't think that way. The common fan is awestruck that the starting pitcher for the NL will have 15 wins so far. The problem with Johnson is that he hasn't gotten much attention because he plays for a mediocre team that doesn't draw fans and he gets no run support. If you consider what the ASG has always intended to be, I don't really see the issue with letting Jimenez start.
July 2, 201016 yr Basically everything that penguino said. Jimenez is the more marketable name right now thanks to his no-hitter and win record. Even though we may know that JJ is the better pitcher right now statistically, Ublado's name has more of a draw.
July 2, 201016 yr JJ's had a better year. Ubaldo will start unless he has a terrible start before the game, simply because the hype is all over him. It's not the hype. JJ gets plenty of hype as well. As of now Ubaldo deserves it a little more. And why is that? As much as I love Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jimenez will probably get the start in the All-Star game. Not only has he pitched more innings but he has a much better record. Also, let's not forget about Ubaldo's no-hitter earlier this season. That's irrelevant. And as I said, having a better record is dependent on his team. So that just leaves the 5 extra innings he's pitched, as the only relevant point. Really? A no-hitter is irrelevant? Don't get me wrong, I want Josh Johnson to start considering he's my favorite player but in all likelihood, Ubaldo Jimenez gets the start.
July 2, 201016 yr It's irrelevant in this dicussion. The starter should be the best pitcher in the NL, and so far, that is JJ.
July 2, 201016 yr With the stats so damn close, considering the fact Charlie Manuel in making the call and he's seen JJ much more then he's seen Jimenez, I'd say JJ has the edge of getting the start at the moment between the two.
July 2, 201016 yr Ok, Jimenez has been dominant through his 16 starts. But, you know, Josh Johnson also has the exact same ERA of 1.83. Plus an 0.96 WHIP, also through 16 starts. There's obviously the lack of run support. I think Jimenez has struggled through his last few starts, while Johnson has continued to be filthy. I just want to show some stats that weren't mentioned: Jimenez: K/9=8.12, BB/9=3.19, FIP=3.07, xFIP=3.68 Johnson: K/9=8.92, BB/9=2.25, FIP=2.47, xFIP=3.16 FIP is the stat that only measures factors the pitcher can control. Like, helps you to see how good a pitcher really is, regardless of the defense behind him and such. xFIP is a stat that's supposed to measure a pitcher's expected ERA based on number of home runs allowed per fly ball. From what I've heard, a good indicator of a pitcher's future ERA. Not sure though. Johnson has also out-performed Jimenez in percent of swings off the plate, percent of contact made on all pitches, percent of first pitch strikes thrown, and percent of pitches which result in swinging strike. As someone else said, Manuel probably won't take these things into account. So, what I'm trying to say is, I believe Johnson has been the better pitcher so far. Even if Manuel picks Jimenez, I'll still be happy. But it would be cool to have Johnson pitching.
July 2, 201016 yr Really? A no-hitter is irrelevant? Don't get me wrong, I want Josh Johnson to start considering he's my favorite player but in all likelihood, Ubaldo Jimenez gets the start. Dallas Braden had a perfect game, Edwin Jackson had a no-hitter, and Armando Galarraga basically had a 28 out perfect game...all this year. The no-hitter is irrelevant to the discussion. If we're going by one game accomplishments from the pitchers expected to be in the game, the starter would be Roy Halladay (who also had a perfect game this year). It's irrelevant to the discussion.
July 2, 201016 yr I don't know why it is that supposedly JJ gets no run support. He gets 6.67 runs per game.
July 2, 201016 yr I don't know why it is that supposedly JJ gets no run support. He gets 6.67 runs per game. BBRef shows 5.27 but regardless that's fine in terms of run support.
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