If im the front office, I make a trade for Cantu and also acquire a lefty bat or 2 off the bench. I like Cantu and really appreciate what he has doen the past 2 years, but he is way to much like the other bats in the lineup and Morrison is ready plus we could definitely use the 2nd lefty consistent bat in the lineup.

 

I would really like to see us keep Wes Helms as well. We will really not get much for him and without him our bench is straight up garbage.

 

Also, i'd like to see this lineup for the rest of the year.

 

Coghlan

Gaby

Hanley

Uggla

Stanton

Logan

Cody

Paulino

Pitcher

 

5 games out of the wildcard, we are still in it.

That lineup is good. Looks like it.

 

On the bench side, Donnie M is nice so far and Boni is actually hitting a bit.

 

This series win against the Rockies is HUGE. Wonder if any of the Braves games will get in? Double header on Sunday?

5 games out of the wildcard, we are still in it.

 

 

Erick is going to be absolutely furious with you for even suggesting that. :brigginbounce

Trade Cantu for anything you can get, shift Coghlan to the infield, and bring up Logan Morrison. If the Marlins are too stubborn and don't want to put Coghlan in the infield...I'd still trade Cantu (we're going to lose him after this season anyway, and he really has negative value, realistically), and play Bonifacio. Instead of hitting Bonifacio leadoff however, I'd put the pitcher hitting 8th, and Bonifacio hitting 9th. That way he's not leading off the game, but the rare times he gets on base, he'll be on base with the top of the lineup following him, making his speed valuable in all situations.

 

Bottom line is, Cantu is hurting this team, both offensively and defensively. He must be traded.

 

Also, wait until the 31st...if the team starts playing a bit worse again, trade Helms and maybe even Cody, as well.

5 games out of the wildcard, we are still in it.

 

 

Erick is going to be absolutely furious with you for even suggesting that. :brigginbounce

 

 

I never said the team was mathematically eliminated (I don't believe it's a playoff team for what it's worth, but that's just an opinion). I just don't see how the future is now, and why you expect to get players that could help this team immediately for the likes of Cantu and Helms. That's just unrealistic.

5 games out of the wildcard, we are still in it.

 

 

Erick is going to be absolutely furious with you for even suggesting that. :brigginbounce

 

 

I never said the team was mathematically eliminated (I don't believe it's a playoff team for what it's worth, but that's just an opinion). I just don't see how the future is now, and why you expect to get players that could help this team immediately for the likes of Cantu and Helms. That's just unrealistic.

 

No Erick, all you did was attempt to chastise me for even suggesting the same.

 

You can't rewrite history lad.

5 games out of the wildcard, we are still in it.

 

 

Erick is going to be absolutely furious with you for even suggesting that. :brigginbounce

 

 

I never said the team was mathematically eliminated (I don't believe it's a playoff team for what it's worth, but that's just an opinion). I just don't see how the future is now, and why you expect to get players that could help this team immediately for the likes of Cantu and Helms. That's just unrealistic.

I dont think this is a playoff team either, im just saying we are not out of it. In rder for us to make the playoffs we need either sanabia or whoever takes the 5th spot to give us consistent starts along with ricky staying consistent. Also, we need hanley to get hot and the bullpen to stay consistent.

 

This to me is a team that will have a hard time making the playoffs but is one of those teams that if they make it could go deep

5 games out of the wildcard, we are still in it.

 

 

Erick is going to be absolutely furious with you for even suggesting that. :brigginbounce

 

 

I never said the team was mathematically eliminated (I don't believe it's a playoff team for what it's worth, but that's just an opinion). I just don't see how the future is now, and why you expect to get players that could help this team immediately for the likes of Cantu and Helms. That's just unrealistic.

 

No Erick, all you did was attempt to chastise me for even suggesting the same.

 

You can't rewrite history lad.

 

 

"lololololololol"

 

What are you saying? I was just debating your whole "the future is now" statement, and how ridiculous it was. I'm not taking anything back. I didn't believe it was a playoff team a couple days ago, and I don't believe it is now. That doesn't mean they're mathematically eliminated; I do know that. Perhaps if Josh Johnson could pitch more than once every 5th day, I'd start believing some more. Sorry.

5 games out of the wildcard, we are still in it.

 

 

Erick is going to be absolutely furious with you for even suggesting that. :brigginbounce

 

 

I never said the team was mathematically eliminated (I don't believe it's a playoff team for what it's worth, but that's just an opinion). I just don't see how the future is now, and why you expect to get players that could help this team immediately for the likes of Cantu and Helms. That's just unrealistic.

I dont think this is a playoff team either, im just saying we are not out of it. In rder for us to make the playoffs we need either sanabia or whoever takes the 5th spot to give us consistent starts along with ricky staying consistent. Also, we need hanley to get hot and the bullpen to stay consistent.

 

This to me is a team that will have a hard time making the playoffs but is one of those teams that if they make it could go deep

 

 

Exactly, I agree with that statement.

The Braves and Giants series are crucial. If we can go 5-2 during the next 7 games and get 2 games over .500 and stay within 4 or 5 games of the wild card lead, I'd say this team needs to trade for a middle reliever. I think if we are buying that we should just trade an "Aaron Thompson" kind of prospect for a middle reliever.

 

If we go 3-4 or 2-5 during this stretch, may be time to part ways with Cantu and Ross. I still wouldn't trade Uggla or Nunez unless we get totally blown away with an offer.

Pretty Much what Erick said.

Trade Cantu for anything we possibly can get and the same with Helms. Call Up Logan Morrison, shift Coghlan to 3rd and hope Baker gets healthy and can get back to form. I don't however agree on trading Cody. We really don't have an ample replacement and I don't want to start Bonifacio fulltime any time soon.

 

Lineup

 

Coghlan 3B

Sanchez 1B

Ramirez SS

Uggla 2B

Stanton RF

Ross CF

Morrison LF

Paulino/Baker C

Pitcher

 

Bench

Bonifacio UTL

Murphy IF

Paulino/Baker C

Carroll OF

 

Rotation ( The order it's currently in)

 

J.J.

Sanabia (until he shows signs of failure)

Anibal

Volstad (possibly West or RVH)

Nolasco

 

Bullpen

 

Badenhop LR

Marinez/Robertson (Pending if Nate Clears or not)

Sanches MR

Tankersley MR

Veras MR

Hensley SU

Nunez CL

 

The 25th Man in undecided for me it can be two thing in my opinion. Just a Pure Pinch Hitter like Lamb was but instead call up Hector Luna or just another bullpen arm for Mopup roles preferably not Jhan Marinez.

Trade Cantu for anything you can get, shift Coghlan to the infield, and bring up Logan Morrison. If the Marlins are too stubborn and don't want to put Coghlan in the infield...I'd still trade Cantu (we're going to lose him after this season anyway, and he really has negative value, realistically), and play Bonifacio. Instead of hitting Bonifacio leadoff however, I'd put the pitcher hitting 8th, and Bonifacio hitting 9th. That way he's not leading off the game, but the rare times he gets on base, he'll be on base with the top of the lineup following him, making his speed valuable in all situations.

 

Bottom line is, Cantu is hurting this team, both offensively and defensively. He must be traded.

 

Also, wait until the 31st...if the team starts playing a bit worse again, trade Helms and maybe even Cody, as well.

 

In addition to this, I'd trade Ross and Helms. Play Maybin everyday when he's healthy and play Bonifacio everyday until that happens.

 

Coghlan (3B/LF)

Morrison (LF)

Stanton (RF)

Bonifacio (3B/LF/CF)

Maybin (CF)

Im all for trading Cantu. Then call up Logan and move Cogs to infield at 3rd. He is probably a good enough athlete that he can make the move back pretty quickly. I wouldn't move Uggs to 3rd and Cogs to second because second is much harder to play than 3rd.Trade Ross if we really fall out of it.

Of course it depends on the particular need the acquiring team is trying to fill and how much they are willing to pay to fill that need, weighed against what need the Marlins are trying fill and how much they are willing to give up to fill that need.

 

If Cantu had gone 3-4 today instead of 0-3 with two strikeouts his stock might be up and easier to trade, but Ross who went 1-3 with a walk, a big homer and some great defensive plays still in our collective consciousness, is going to be worth a lot more all things being equal.

 

Wanting to trade Cantu right now while he is running hot and cold is more the act of a seller than trading Ross to get greater value in hopes of improving the club which is what a buyer might do. It could turn out the guy(s) you get for Cantu goes on a wicked (in New England that's pronounced "wickiiid" and must be used at least 40 times a day, as in "wickiiid good" or "wickiiiid awesome") and Beinfest and Hill tell anyone that will listen they knew it was coming. Or conversely...well you get the idea.

 

But the bottomline is right now Ross is the hot commodity and Cantu is not.

In all honesty... nothing.

Trade Cantu for anything you can get, shift Coghlan to the infield, and bring up Logan Morrison. If the Marlins are too stubborn and don't want to put Coghlan in the infield...I'd still trade Cantu (we're going to lose him after this season anyway, and he really has negative value, realistically), and play Bonifacio. Instead of hitting Bonifacio leadoff however, I'd put the pitcher hitting 8th, and Bonifacio hitting 9th. That way he's not leading off the game, but the rare times he gets on base, he'll be on base with the top of the lineup following him, making his speed valuable in all situations.

 

Bottom line is, Cantu is hurting this team, both offensively and defensively. He must be traded.

 

Also, wait until the 31st...if the team starts playing a bit worse again, trade Helms and maybe even Cody, as well.

 

 

I normally agree with you but who is going to take over Cody's spot? Maybin? Who? In a perfect world I'd say yes but I think Cody is to valuable now to trade.

Of course it depends on the particular need the acquiring team is trying to fill and how much they are willing to pay to fill that need, weighed against what need the Marlins are trying fill and how much they are willing to give up to fill that need.

 

If Cantu had gone 3-4 today instead of 0-3 with two strikeouts his stock might be up and easier to trade, but Ross who went 1-3 with a walk, a big homer and some great defensive plays still in our collective consciousness, is going to be worth a lot more all things being equal.

 

Wanting to trade Cantu right now while he is running hot and cold is more the act of a seller than trading Ross to get greater value in hopes of improving the club which is what a buyer might do. It could turn out the guy(s) you get for Cantu goes on a wicked (in New England that's pronounced "wickiiid" and must be used at least 40 times a day, as in "wickiiid good" or "wickiiiid awesome") and Beinfest and Hill tell anyone that will listen they knew it was coming. Or conversely...well you get the idea.

 

But the bottomline is right now Ross is the hot commodity and Cantu is not.

 

 

You trade Cantu because he's gone after this year, and right now the team is actually better without him. Logan Morrison would produce more than Jorge Cantu right now, if he were called up.

I think you deal if you get good value for a player...

 

If not, not much you can do but hold tight

Trade Cantu for anything you can get, shift Coghlan to the infield, and bring up Logan Morrison. If the Marlins are too stubborn and don't want to put Coghlan in the infield...I'd still trade Cantu (we're going to lose him after this season anyway, and he really has negative value, realistically), and play Bonifacio. Instead of hitting Bonifacio leadoff however, I'd put the pitcher hitting 8th, and Bonifacio hitting 9th. That way he's not leading off the game, but the rare times he gets on base, he'll be on base with the top of the lineup following him, making his speed valuable in all situations.

 

Bottom line is, Cantu is hurting this team, both offensively and defensively. He must be traded.

 

Also, wait until the 31st...if the team starts playing a bit worse again, trade Helms and maybe even Cody, as well.

 

 

I normally agree with you but who is going to take over Cody's spot? Maybin? Who? In a perfect world I'd say yes but I think Cody is to valuable now to trade.

 

 

I'm only for trading Cody Ross if the team is a seller by the 31st, as I stated in my post. If we're buyers, Cody Ross should stay for, at least, the rest of the year.

Trade Cantu for anything you can get, shift Coghlan to the infield, and bring up Logan Morrison. If the Marlins are too stubborn and don't want to put Coghlan in the infield...I'd still trade Cantu (we're going to lose him after this season anyway, and he really has negative value, realistically), and play Bonifacio. Instead of hitting Bonifacio leadoff however, I'd put the pitcher hitting 8th, and Bonifacio hitting 9th. That way he's not leading off the game, but the rare times he gets on base, he'll be on base with the top of the lineup following him, making his speed valuable in all situations.

 

Bottom line is, Cantu is hurting this team, both offensively and defensively. He must be traded.

 

Also, wait until the 31st...if the team starts playing a bit worse again, trade Helms and maybe even Cody, as well.

 

 

I normally agree with you but who is going to take over Cody's spot? Maybin? Who? In a perfect world I'd say yes but I think Cody is to valuable now to trade.

 

 

I'm only for trading Cody Ross if the team is a seller by the 31st, as I stated in my post. If we're buyers, Cody Ross should stay for, at least, the rest of the year.

 

Regardless, if Cody is traded (whenever it is) will the FO look outside the organization, stick with Maybin, or both? I'm thinking they'll get someone on the cheap just in case Maybin fails.

So the Angels just picked up Alberto Callaspo from the Royals. So i guess cross out the Angels as a suitors for Cantu?

Of course it depends on the particular need the acquiring team is trying to fill and how much they are willing to pay to fill that need, weighed against what need the Marlins are trying fill and how much they are willing to give up to fill that need.

 

If Cantu had gone 3-4 today instead of 0-3 with two strikeouts his stock might be up and easier to trade, but Ross who went 1-3 with a walk, a big homer and some great defensive plays still in our collective consciousness, is going to be worth a lot more all things being equal.

 

Wanting to trade Cantu right now while he is running hot and cold is more the act of a seller than trading Ross to get greater value in hopes of improving the club which is what a buyer might do. It could turn out the guy(s) you get for Cantu goes on a wicked (in New England that's pronounced "wickiiid" and must be used at least 40 times a day, as in "wickiiid good" or "wickiiiid awesome") and Beinfest and Hill tell anyone that will listen they knew it was coming. Or conversely...well you get the idea.

 

But the bottomline is right now Ross is the hot commodity and Cantu is not.

 

It's not like they can sit on these guys and hope for 3-4s intead of 0-4s. The clock is ticking until the deadline, so don't expect their market prices to change much unless they move toward one of the extremes (hot or cold). Of course, this doens't mean the Marlins should reconsider trading anyone. It just affects how much they get in return.

 

If you are of the mindset that this team isn't going to be close to competitive down the stretch, trading Cantu and Ross makes sense given their contract status and the need to start accommodating the younger talent, which might even be more productive in some cases.

 

Just try viewing it from the mindset of those who think this team and compete and given the state of the farm system and the Marlins payroll considerations, it's unlikely that the moves necessary to elevate this team can be made this offseason. I'm fine with keeping Ross, as long as they expect him to be with the team next season.

So the Angels just picked up Alberto Callaspo from the Royals. So i guess cross out the Angels as a suitors for Cantu?

 

 

I would think so. The fact that the Royals' got the Angels 15th best prospect (lefty starting pitcher Will Smith) and 22-year old righty starter/reliever Sean O'Sullivan makes me confident that the Marlins might be able to get a decent return for Cantu.

Pengy, I wan't suggesting we either trade or keep them and I'd be surprised as hell if the both were Fishies next season. Nor do I think we have any kind of leverage to get the last penny from anyone for either. Ross is playing well right now so one might have an attachment to keeping him but the realistic side says he's a really streaky player and you don't make up ground building a team of streaky ballplayers unless you get incredibly lucky and everyone gets hot at once. We also know those runs don't last forever and can be over tomorrow.

 

In the end, whatever happens especially with the players that have been talked about, if we keep winning and the FO makes some move that pushes the ball down the field it's a good thing. If we fall further back and become sellers such is life.

At least for me, lost in the miracle of today's victory was the fact once again we're barely getting any hits, in this case 6 of them.

 

Six hits. We're lucky we didn't get our brains beat in. BTW, in the last week Cody Ross has hit .150/.227. I know he's having a breakdown over being traded but that's criminal. Cantu is in the the last far out-producing Ross which I admit surprised the heck out of me. I was comparing Alberto Callaspo to Cantu when I noticed Cantu has performing better than I guessed and yes I know looking at a week is not advised but this time of the season with this deadline approaching it's worth keeping an eye on as at least a "pressure" calculator or whatever you might want to call it. Really fuzzy, not sure any real conclusions can be drawn from it but I look nonetheless.