That picture of Morgan is going to haunt my dreams....

Well it's hard to tell really. First off, Volstad wasn't the first to throw a punch, it was Morgan. I don't know if that matters but ya know, if you hit someone, that's assault but if someone attacks you first, then you can chalk that up to self-defense. Not sure if that technicality matters to the MLB or not in the end though. But after Gaby takes Morgan down, doesn't it look like Volstad begins to pummel Morgan? It's really hard to tell at that point, but it looked that way.

 

 

Yes, Gaby might have began to pummel him, but Volstad had nothing to do with it. Which is why a 3rd base coach shouldnt be on top of Volstad. The only sign of agressiveness Volstad showed was throwing his glove in a provokative manner, but other than that he didnt swing at, grab at, or try to hit anyone in any manner (edit: I do mean this after Nyjer Morgan hit Volstad, after that point it becomes defensive) Coaches do not belong in these fights, if anything the only place they belong is restraining their own players. i.e. Nyjer Morgan, who charged the pitching mound.

 

another edit: I've just seen the Nationals feed of the incident, and honestly it looks like he's choking Volstad or trying to slam his head at the floor lol. Of course that could be him trying to restrain him by his neck (and it probably is).

On a side note, does anyone know what Jose Veras did to get ejected?

thought it was interesting to hear it from Gaby's perspective:

 

http://www.federalbaseball.com/2010/9/2/1665419/wire-taps-florida-marlins-gaby?ref=yahoo

 

I guess they weren't "pitching him inside" lol. Interesting that they threw at him not because he was stealing to help his team, but because the Marlins thought he was showing them up.

 

By the way, how did Gaby not get ejected? That was one of the best hits I've seen in a brawl in a long time.

I mean Gaby being ejected makes much more sense than Jose Veras...

Plus the 2nd base ump had a pretty clear view if the home ump was restricted by Volstad. Unless he was in "F!#$ YEA!" mode too and ignored it

I hate the nats now. Watching games vs them is finally going to be fun.

 

 

Yep, they pass the Phillies on my list and are now behind just the Mets on my hate list. And just to make this clear I HATE all the teams in our division, just some to a lesser degree.

Lol hate within our division fluctuates for me.

 

It used to be the big fat #1 Braves, winning the division how many times? I wanted them de-throned so badly. Then, even with the Phillies being the champs for some time now, it was the Mets mainly because of their arrogant fans and their fat payroll/team that they bought not built.

 

I dont really hate the Nationals though, they didnt do anything wrong here. Just Nyjer Morgan.

Oh and by the way, YOU DO NOT TRADE A PLAYER WITH THE BALLS OF SANCHEZ !!! Immediately staop any trade talk of this warrior ! (Unless it makes the team better then do it :whistle)

BTW, it did look to me like Voly got some punches in after they hit the ground.

 

VOLY, DON'T F***ING PUNCH WITH YOUR PITCHING HAND!

thought it was interesting to hear it from Gaby's perspective:

 

http://www.federalba...-gaby?ref=yahoo

 

I guess they weren't "pitching him inside" lol. Interesting that they threw at him not because he was stealing to help his team, but because the Marlins thought he was showing them up.

 

 

 

Yeah, I said it elsewhere, but it is clear that Morgan running on the first pitch and then running on the third pitch to get to third, he was clearly sending a message to the Marlins. He was running no matter what, and maybe in part to spark the team, but you know he was doing it to showboat/stick it to the Marlins. It didn't seem like he was running because he assessed he could get away with it, more like "I am going to run and try and stop me." Which is fine in a normal game, but all eyes were on him at that time.

 

And in that way, he was being disrespectful. He had to realize he had a target on his back from all these incidents lately. Running willy-nilly in a situation that isn't going to really help your team (great, you score one run, but you may have also gotten yourself out, or even worse, injure yourself) wasn't the smartest of decisions and just shook up the bird cage when the parakeet was finally sleeping.

Gaby did a BIG no no.

 

After decleating someone, Miami University players are supposed to hold their arms up and made the "U"

Gaby did a BIG no no.

 

After decleating someone, Miami University players are supposed to hold their arms up and made the "U"

 

It's the University of Miami. Miami University is in Ohio.

I've been reading a bunch of reactions from ESPN comments and Mike And Mike who think that Volstad throwing at Nyjer the second time was completely uncalled for for just "stealing bases".

 

I'm sorry, but if you want to start a multi-run inning when you are down by like 11, what the hell is stealing a base going to accomplish?? Are you setting up for a sac fly? If you are trying to get back into that game, you need hits and homers. Nyjer wasn't stealing to help the team. He was just trying to show up Volstad.

 

And there are even those trashing Gaby by calling him a coward. I didn't know it was cowardly to protect your pitcher. Sorry,

Gizmo, I've seen what you've seen too but that seems to be the vast minority when it comes to Gaby. Most of the media seems to be on his side. The whole stealing bases thing seems more split and I understand that (though I agree that it was just Morgan showing the Fish up).

 

I did chuckle when I saw an article out of DC call Gaby a "thug" while not admonishing Nyjer at all.

I think Gaby let up more than a little. He just hooked Morgan's head with his arm. If he wanted to he could have gone in and thrown a haymaker . We'd have a whole different national story today if he goes in leading with a fist rather than an arm.

 

 

Gaby Sanchez is the man. I've never seen a 1st baseman get to a brawl first. Usually it's the catcher.

I've been reading a bunch of reactions from ESPN comments and Mike And Mike who think that Volstad throwing at Nyjer the second time was completely uncalled for for just "stealing bases".

 

I'm sorry, but if you want to start a multi-run inning when you are down by like 11, what the hell is stealing a base going to accomplish?? Are you setting up for a sac fly? If you are trying to get back into that game, you need hits and homers. Nyjer wasn't stealing to help the team. He was just trying to show up Volstad.

 

And there are even those trashing Gaby by calling him a coward. I didn't know it was cowardly to protect your pitcher. Sorry,

 

 

Typical hate on the Marlins. We will never be forgiven for 2003 and not letting the Cubs just walk right into a World Series. I swear I cannot find another reason why people seem to hate on the Marlins in the national media.

Gizmo, I've seen what you've seen too but that seems to be the vast minority when it comes to Gaby. Most of the media seems to be on his side. The whole stealing bases thing seems more split and I understand that (though I agree that it was just Morgan showing the Fish up).

 

I did chuckle when I saw an article out of DC call Gaby a "thug" while not admonishing Nyjer at all.

 

 

Yeah most of the media is on his side. I'm just talking about other people commenting on the ESPN boards.

I think Gaby let up more than a little. He just hooked Morgan's head with his arm. If he wanted to he could have gone in and thrown a haymaker . We'd have a whole different national story today if he goes in leading with a fist rather than an arm.

 

 

Gaby Sanchez is the man. I've never seen a 1st baseman get to a brawl first. Usually it's the catcher.

 

Yeah, the problem there was that Davis was going after the wild pitch since the ball was still live and didn't see Morgan charging the mound.

Gizmo, I've seen what you've seen too but that seems to be the vast minority when it comes to Gaby. Most of the media seems to be on his side. The whole stealing bases thing seems more split and I understand that (though I agree that it was just Morgan showing the Fish up).

 

I did chuckle when I saw an article out of DC call Gaby a "thug" while not admonishing Nyjer at all.

 

 

Yeah most of the media is on his side. I'm just talking about other people commenting on the ESPN boards.

Well, that's an intellectual wasteland. Might as well be talking about YouTube comments.

I think Gaby let up more than a little. He just hooked Morgan's head with his arm. If he wanted to he could have gone in and thrown a haymaker . We'd have a whole different national story today if he goes in leading with a fist rather than an arm.

 

 

Gaby Sanchez is the man. I've never seen a 1st baseman get to a brawl first. Usually it's the catcher.

 

Yeah, the problem there was that Davis was going after the wild pitch since the ball was still live and didn't see Morgan charging the mound.

 

That has actually been bothering me. Weren't the bases empty? And wasn't that not ball 4? Why was Davis going after the ball at all?

 

 

Nevermind, there was a man on second

Gizmo, I've seen what you've seen too but that seems to be the vast minority when it comes to Gaby. Most of the media seems to be on his side. The whole stealing bases thing seems more split and I understand that (though I agree that it was just Morgan showing the Fish up).

 

I did chuckle when I saw an article out of DC call Gaby a "thug" while not admonishing Nyjer at all.

 

 

Yeah most of the media is on his side. I'm just talking about other people commenting on the ESPN boards.

Well, that's an intellectual wasteland. Might as well be talking about YouTube comments.

 

Oh very true. I just wanted to see the reactions of non-Marlins fans

First of all, I will say that I hate Nyjer Morgan, I love Gaby Sanchez, and that "Lariat" was awesome!

 

Having said that, I don't see why Gaby's getting so much praise (badass, huge cojones, etc.). Basically he blind-sided Morgan, who was clearly not expecting him to fly in and whack him. I've got no problem with what Gaby did, but I don't think it takes any real bravery on his part to do so.

 

In conclusion, Gaby: great execution, I bet you're glad to know you've got a wrestling career in case baseball goes sour. :lol

I've been reading a bunch of reactions from ESPN comments and Mike And Mike who think that Volstad throwing at Nyjer the second time was completely uncalled for for just "stealing bases".

 

I'm sorry, but if you want to start a multi-run inning when you are down by like 11, what the hell is stealing a base going to accomplish?? Are you setting up for a sac fly? If you are trying to get back into that game, you need hits and homers. Nyjer wasn't stealing to help the team. He was just trying to show up Volstad.

 

And there are even those trashing Gaby by calling him a coward. I didn't know it was cowardly to protect your pitcher. Sorry,

 

 

Yeah, people saying stealing bases is fine are forgetting the context of the situation.

 

One: Nyjer Morgan was hit because he injured a player the night before. Most commentators said that while what he did was not illegal, it was dumb and he should have slid.

 

Two: The Marlins were upset enough that it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that Morgan will be hit in his next AB. The plunk was not out of nowhere and while one may disagree to the reasoning of that first HBP, the situation was not a spur of the moment deal.

 

Three: Stealing while down that big is, at best, a debatable topic. It can cause injury. A lot of commentators are saying a team shouldn't roll over if they are down big, but we have seen across all sports that when the game appears that far out of reach, managers/coaches on both sides of the ball will take action to avoid injuries to their players, like getting in bench players, etc. The game was still early, yes, but stealing may not have been the best course.

 

Four: Nyjer stole second on the first pitch. This, to me, was a statement steal. He wasn't assessing Volstad's move to first to see IF he could steal, but decided he was going to steal no matter what. I am not sure if Gaby was holding Nyjer on at 1B. There might have been an unsaid agreement, at least on the Marlins part, that would allow Nyjer a big lead or even second base. If so, then that steal of second is justified in that the Marlins said they didn't care (throw down to second notwithstanding. Since Davis is relatively new to the team, he may not have realized the situation and/or didn't want to seem lackadaisical in his limited chances). I think if Morgan just stole second, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

Five: He stole third on the third pitch. Now Morgan is starting to show off a little. I am sure Volstad and the Marlins were not expecting a steal of third with such a big lead and how rarely third does get stolen. With one out, there was little reason for the speedy Morgan to take third anyways. A hit will score him. He moves up 90 feet to third for a sac fly? One run for the second out in an inning isn't going to help your team at that point. He's starting to play with fire.

 

Six: There is a pop fly to shallow right center. Murphy goes out to catch it and injures himself. Morgan sees Murphy is down and tags. So here is the problem, in two-fold: because Morgan was on third after stealing two bases, the defense had to be aware of the potential of a tag and that may have lead to Murphy overextending himself to trying for the ball. And, once again, Nyjer is (in)directly involved in a Marlins player getting injured and lost for the season. If Morgan had simply stayed at first or even second, that play would not have happened the same way.

 

Looking at stealing two bases in a void, you can make an argument for Morgan. But the game is not played in avoid and each action has consequences that isn't always magically solved with a HBP. The fact that the Marlins felt Morgan deserved to be hit because of what happened to Hayes was a clear signal that they were going to keep an eye of Morgan. What happened after that HBP was Morgan increasingly tempting fate.

Gizmo, I've seen what you've seen too but that seems to be the vast minority when it comes to Gaby. Most of the media seems to be on his side. The whole stealing bases thing seems more split and I understand that (though I agree that it was just Morgan showing the Fish up).

 

I did chuckle when I saw an article out of DC call Gaby a "thug" while not admonishing Nyjer at all.

 

 

 

Well he does come from Thug U.

 

 

And about the discussion about the teams we hate in the division: I'm always going to be a huge Braves hater. No matter if they're first or last, I want them to lose terribly. Remember that guy that came on here a few months ago with the name 'BrianWilsonIsGay' or some sh*t like that and started talking random trash about every player on the Giants? Yea, that's me with the whole Braves roster.