October 12, 201015 yr I read that article in the PBP yesterday. Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. That way of thinking didn't work out so well before. Should be a lesson learned. And the lesson is....Let the people you pay to make those types of decisions actually make those types of decisions. Besides that, there are a number of reasons why I highly doubt this happens. The top three being the kind of $$$ he will want, the amount of control he would want, and the comments he made about the org when Edwin was named. Make a list of the pros and cons of this hire. IMO, the cons far outweight the pros. When that happens in anything you look elsewhere.
October 12, 201015 yr Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. And he's the only one who counts, when it's all said and done. The next year is important. Someone must lead decisively. That would be Loria, he has no other choice. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's his major asset that's at stake, not Beinfest's or Hill's. Loria fired Freddi. Loria will dispense with Edwin because he's boring (like Freddi) and incapable of generating squat in the way of excitement. While for good reasons he usually doesn't want to spend (or perhaps waste) an extra 2 or 3 mill on the BP, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent (or perhaps wasted) it on Valentine because he thinks he can get the job done. Or Ozzie. Or on whoever can generate some buzz and results, which is a limited universe. The managerial ball's in Loria's court and he's the only guy who is going to hit it or whiff. The rest of the FO doesn't matter, they serve at Loria's pleasure.
October 13, 201015 yr Well I just realized Bo Porter played football and baseball at Iowa... so I now have a favorite :mischief
October 13, 201015 yr Well I just realized Bo Porter played football and baseball at Iowa... so I now have a favorite :mischief That makes 2, you and Bo.
October 13, 201015 yr Well I just realized Bo Porter played football and baseball at Iowa... so I now have a favorite :mischief That makes 2, you and Bo. Actually 6. Iowa, Bo, Charlie Manuel, New Mets Manager, Jim Riggleman, and last but not least...Fredi Gonzalez.
October 13, 201015 yr Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. And he's the only one who counts, when it's all said and done. The next year is important. Someone must lead decisively. That would be Loria, he has no other choice. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's his major asset that's at stake, not Beinfest's or Hill's. Loria fired Freddi. Loria will dispense with Edwin because he's boring (like Freddi) and incapable of generating squat in the way of excitement. While for good reasons he usually doesn't want to spend (or perhaps waste) an extra 2 or 3 mill on the BP, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent (or perhaps wasted) it on Valentine because he thinks he can get the job done. Or Ozzie. Or on whoever can generate some buzz and results, which is a limited universe. The managerial ball's in Loria's court and he's the only guy who is going to hit it or whiff. The rest of the FO doesn't matter, they serve at Loria's pleasure. While everything you say is true, It's why I put in the part about letting the guys you pay to do a job actually do that job. He was the only one wanting GI Joe and that didn't work out very well. Learn from the past or be destined to repeat it. If he dosen't trust the opinions of his FO personnel then start cleaning it out. Yes men are a dime a dozen. I would hate to think he has been taking Al Davis Ownership 101.
October 13, 201015 yr Well I just realized Bo Porter played football and baseball at Iowa... so I now have a favorite :mischief If we switch managers, Bo will be brought in for an interview to satisfy MLB regulations. I don't see any other reason why he is on the short list. If Bobby V is hired then they can truthfully say they have already interviewed Edwin for the job. They sat him down right after the season was over. That would be be 2 minority interviews out of the way. I really thought Edwin would be retained. I'm starting to waver on that just because of things I have been reading from the "experts" and "inside sources" of what they are looking for. Very poor way of forming an opinion, but I have fallen into it. However, I still don't think it's Valentine.
October 13, 201015 yr Actually at this point I don't see one reason not to renew Edwin... He is well liked and has fire in his belly...also in reference to making moves he showed more common sense then we would ever dream with Fredi
October 13, 201015 yr Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. And he's the only one who counts, when it's all said and done. The next year is important. Someone must lead decisively. That would be Loria, he has no other choice. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's his major asset that's at stake, not Beinfest's or Hill's. Loria fired Freddi. Loria will dispense with Edwin because he's boring (like Freddi) and incapable of generating squat in the way of excitement. While for good reasons he usually doesn't want to spend (or perhaps waste) an extra 2 or 3 mill on the BP, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent (or perhaps wasted) it on Valentine because he thinks he can get the job done. Or Ozzie. Or on whoever can generate some buzz and results, which is a limited universe. The managerial ball's in Loria's court and he's the only guy who is going to hit it or whiff. The rest of the FO doesn't matter, they serve at Loria's pleasure. While it's pretty irrelevant, I'm not sure what you mean by "boring." If you meant that as he shows no emotion, I disagree. Edwin was tossed plenty of times in his short time here, and showed plenty of emotion. He doesn't really seem like the laid-back type of manager.
October 13, 201015 yr Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. And he's the only one who counts, when it's all said and done. The next year is important. Someone must lead decisively. That would be Loria, he has no other choice. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's his major asset that's at stake, not Beinfest's or Hill's. Loria fired Freddi. Loria will dispense with Edwin because he's boring (like Freddi) and incapable of generating squat in the way of excitement. While for good reasons he usually doesn't want to spend (or perhaps waste) an extra 2 or 3 mill on the BP, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent (or perhaps wasted) it on Valentine because he thinks he can get the job done. Or Ozzie. Or on whoever can generate some buzz and results, which is a limited universe. The managerial ball's in Loria's court and he's the only guy who is going to hit it or whiff. The rest of the FO doesn't matter, they serve at Loria's pleasure. While it's pretty irrelevant, I'm not sure what you mean by "boring." If you meant that as he shows no emotion, I disagree. Edwin was tossed plenty of times in his short time here, and showed plenty of emotion. He doesn't really seem like the laid-back type of manager. He got ejected in the last game of the season...against the Pirates...not laid back at all. I have never seen him smile either...anyone else notice that?
October 13, 201015 yr I mean boring in the following sense. Could one imagine a Marlin's ad that mentioned Valentine or Ozzie (or anyone who has some sort of reputation that precedes them) as the new manager? Yes. Edwin? Not likely.
October 15, 201015 yr I mean boring in the following sense. Could one imagine a Marlin's ad that mentioned Valentine or Ozzie (or anyone who has some sort of reputation that precedes them) as the new manager? Yes. Edwin? Not likely. And this is a good point. I did read someplace that they are looking for a guy that fits this description. It's not a bad idea. Generate a little more talk around town going into the new pond, etc... But there is at least one major obstacle to hurdle. The FO would have to be willing to loosen their reigns on making the personnel decisions. Not just the players either. Coaching staff as well. Hiring a name as manager would mean he is set in his ways and has favs he wants to work with. You may be able to go as far as to say needs to work with. Forcing a guy like that to work with someone he either dosen't know and/or dosen't trust would be counter-productive.
October 15, 201015 yr Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. And he's the only one who counts, when it's all said and done. The next year is important. Someone must lead decisively. That would be Loria, he has no other choice. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's his major asset that's at stake, not Beinfest's or Hill's. Loria fired Freddi. Loria will dispense with Edwin because he's boring (like Freddi) and incapable of generating squat in the way of excitement. While for good reasons he usually doesn't want to spend (or perhaps waste) an extra 2 or 3 mill on the BP, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent (or perhaps wasted) it on Valentine because he thinks he can get the job done. Or Ozzie. Or on whoever can generate some buzz and results, which is a limited universe. The managerial ball's in Loria's court and he's the only guy who is going to hit it or whiff. The rest of the FO doesn't matter, they serve at Loria's pleasure. While it's pretty irrelevant, I'm not sure what you mean by "boring." If you meant that as he shows no emotion, I disagree. Edwin was tossed plenty of times in his short time here, and showed plenty of emotion. He doesn't really seem like the laid-back type of manager. Edwin is very firery and intense, the fact that he looks stoic and even tempered is a testament to his self discipline...There is an inmense difference between Fredi and Edwin...Fredi had his isolated monents but he just didn't have the fight in him. I give him credit for having tried but it isn't who he really is, he rather just shrug his shoulder and say we will get them next time then make waves. I can't say for sure but it would lead me to believe he was losing the respect of his players. You can only be a cheerleader for so long... Ofcourse We will never know for sure unless Hanley or Uggla write a book sometime in the future
October 15, 201015 yr Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. And he's the only one who counts, when it's all said and done. The next year is important. Someone must lead decisively. That would be Loria, he has no other choice. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's his major asset that's at stake, not Beinfest's or Hill's. Loria fired Freddi. Loria will dispense with Edwin because he's boring (like Freddi) and incapable of generating squat in the way of excitement. While for good reasons he usually doesn't want to spend (or perhaps waste) an extra 2 or 3 mill on the BP, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent (or perhaps wasted) it on Valentine because he thinks he can get the job done. Or Ozzie. Or on whoever can generate some buzz and results, which is a limited universe. The managerial ball's in Loria's court and he's the only guy who is going to hit it or whiff. The rest of the FO doesn't matter, they serve at Loria's pleasure. While it's pretty irrelevant, I'm not sure what you mean by "boring." If you meant that as he shows no emotion, I disagree. Edwin was tossed plenty of times in his short time here, and showed plenty of emotion. He doesn't really seem like the laid-back type of manager. Edwin is very firery and intense, the fact that he looks stoic and even tempered is a testament to his self discipline...There is an inmense difference between Fredi and Edwin...Fredi had his isolated monents but he just didn't have the fight in him. I give him credit for having tried but it isn't who he really is, he rather just shrug his shoulder and say we will get them next time then make waves. I can't say for sure but it would lead me to believe he was losing the respect of his players. You can only be a cheerleader for so long... Ofcourse We will never know for sure unless Hanley or Uggla write a book sometime in the future Although it is a different venue, we may see a glimmer of it in Atlanta. Especially when the players such as Chipper retire, traded, whatever. Fredi certainly doesn't appear to be the firery character of Bobby Cox. I can't phantom that.
October 15, 201015 yr Maybe the fish will take a queue from the Cubs and keep Edwin around like they did with Quade.
October 17, 201015 yr Loria is about the only one in the FO that wants him. And he's the only one who counts, when it's all said and done. The next year is important. Someone must lead decisively. That would be Loria, he has no other choice. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it's his major asset that's at stake, not Beinfest's or Hill's. Loria fired Freddi. Loria will dispense with Edwin because he's boring (like Freddi) and incapable of generating squat in the way of excitement. While for good reasons he usually doesn't want to spend (or perhaps waste) an extra 2 or 3 mill on the BP, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent (or perhaps wasted) it on Valentine because he thinks he can get the job done. Or Ozzie. Or on whoever can generate some buzz and results, which is a limited universe. The managerial ball's in Loria's court and he's the only guy who is going to hit it or whiff. The rest of the FO doesn't matter, they serve at Loria's pleasure. While it's pretty irrelevant, I'm not sure what you mean by "boring." If you meant that as he shows no emotion, I disagree. Edwin was tossed plenty of times in his short time here, and showed plenty of emotion. He doesn't really seem like the laid-back type of manager. Edwin is very firery and intense, the fact that he looks stoic and even tempered is a testament to his self discipline...There is an inmense difference between Fredi and Edwin...Fredi had his isolated monents but he just didn't have the fight in him. I give him credit for having tried but it isn't who he really is, he rather just shrug his shoulder and say we will get them next time then make waves. I can't say for sure but it would lead me to believe he was losing the respect of his players. You can only be a cheerleader for so long... Ofcourse We will never know for sure unless Hanley or Uggla write a book sometime in the future Although it is a different venue, we may see a glimmer of it in Atlanta. Especially when the players such as Chipper retire, traded, whatever. Fredi certainly doesn't appear to be the firery character of Bobby Cox. I can't phantom that. I think he will do fine in Atlanta. He got a royal screwing here. Being blamed for not using the pen correctly when he really had no pen to use, for one thing. My only real complaint was the overuse of Paulino. But those are big shoes to fill and he will be watched (and graded) pretty closely for a team not playing in the northeast. BTW Trivial, I know. But I believe the word you were looking for was fathom, not phantom.
October 17, 201015 yr fathom, not phantom. :lol I noticed that and bit my keyboard. We're not supposed to point out the effects of 50 years of NEA union hackery on publik edumacation and its deleterious effects on the posting quality of their fine products.
October 17, 201015 yr fathom, not phantom. :lol I noticed that and bit my keyboard. We're not supposed to point out the effects of 50 years of NEA union hackery on publik edumacation and its deleterious effects on the posting quality of their fine products. He made a mistake..?
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