Three pitchers with outstanding AA seasons and Sanabia pitched well in the majors for two months.

 

If any were number one picks, the board would be drooling over them.

 

Seems to me that the Marlins starting rotation will be just fine for the next few years, if they can nail down Ricky and Anibal, with these new good arms.

Sanabia excites the heck out of me. Most of that is based on improvement that just keeps on happening. While the other four starters have probably shown all that they are capable of, Sanabia is still climbing.

Not to mention Sanabia trying to take out Adam Dunn which only adds to his bad ass repertoire.

They all will get a decent look at ST.

Three pitchers with outstanding AA seasons and Sanabia pitched well in the majors for two months.

 

If any were number one picks, the board would be drooling over them.

 

Seems to me that the Marlins starting rotation will be just fine for the next few years, if they can nail down Ricky and Anibal, with these new good arms.

 

You don't really understand scouting, and I mean that with no offense.

 

Villanueva does not have a MLB level arm, just like how Yusmiero Petit did not pan out. Control guys with moderate stuff can have great success in the Minors, and absolutely fall apart at higher levels. As for Koehler, he actually throws hard and not just junk, but he still only has moderate movement and not plus secondary pitches so he is more in the mold of a bull dog 6-7th inning man. Neither of those two are top 10 arms in the Marlins system even though they had an amazing statistical 2010. It's not about their win/loss record and era, it's how are they getting those stats. Sean West hasn't performed as well as any of those players in the minors, but he is going to be a significantly better pro because he is what the kids call, McNasty, and he is going to improve (if/when he is ever healthy), where other control guys "are who they are."

 

As for Sanabia, he is the clear winner of those 3 and it's not just because he performed well in the bigs in 2010. He's got a live arm, and he is not dominating minor league hitters through location and craftiness. He is over powering them. He could be a future back of the rotation 4/5 guy, or probably a really plus right hander out of the pen. I like him.

 

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As for the rotation longterm, the Marlins will have Johnson, Nolasco, and Volstad for 3-4 more years each (as soon as Ricky signs a 3 year extension which he will), Anibal for 2, and Sanabia and West for 5. Additionally, the future depth is not from the guys you mention, it's from the lefties - James, Hand, Olmos, Rasmussen.

 

The Marlins are in pretty good shape right now with the rotation, as long as Ricky can settle down, Anibal remains at near 2010 levels, and Volstad finds his inner Derek Lowe. If they can sign a good solid left hander on a three year contract (I like gambling on Jorge De La Rosa if they don't get an arm for Uggla), they will be set for awhile. Just need to find some more starts somewhere.

Three pitchers with outstanding AA seasons and Sanabia pitched well in the majors for two months.

 

If any were number one picks, the board would be drooling over them.

 

Seems to me that the Marlins starting rotation will be just fine for the next few years, if they can nail down Ricky and Anibal, with these new good arms.

 

You don't really understand scouting, and I mean that with no offense.

 

Villanueva does not have a MLB level arm, just like how Yusmiero Petit did not pan out. Control guys with moderate stuff can have great success in the Minors, and absolutely fall apart at higher levels. As for Koehler, he actually throws hard and not just junk, but he still only has moderate movement and not plus secondary pitches so he is more in the mold of a bull dog 6-7th inning man. Neither of those two are top 10 arms in the Marlins system even though they had an amazing statistical 2010. It's not about their win/loss record and era, it's how are they getting those stats. Sean West hasn't performed as well as any of those players in the minors, but he is going to be a significantly better pro because he is what the kids call, McNasty, and he is going to improve (if/when he is ever healthy), where other control guys "are who they are."

 

 

is there a stat that I could look at that could predict if Kohler, or Villanueva would become a jamie moyer or a Yusmiero Petit?

Look for K-rates, how hard they throw, whether they are getting outs with mostly offspeed stuff - decent offspeed stuff can trick A/AA hitters, but if you don't have 2-3 quality pitches, you'll get crushed in the bigs.

Villanueva is Ricky Nolasco without the stuff/K numbers. In other words, not good.

Don't see why this guy thinks Sanabia is getting "no love." I would say most people on here respect the efforts he gave last year and what he should be able to offer in the future. Now, of course he isn't generating the hype of Stanton and Morrison, for example, but to dismiss any appreciation on here for his 2010 call-up is incorrect.

Sanabia is not Elite talent but he is a pretty scrappy pitcher. He will get the job done He might actually get even better since he works hard at his trade

Villanueva is Ricky Nolasco without the stuff/K numbers. In other words, not good.

 

 

I wonder if he'll see what I did there

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol I'm just messin.

I was looking around and i found that there are a few pitchers with similar k/9 as villanueva that have a GO/AO over 1.00. most of them are probably number 3's at best. but i found that a guy like him can succeed in the majors. I think we should give him an opportunity in ST to succeed.

I was looking around and i found that there are a few pitchers with similar k/9 as villanueva that have a GO/AO over 1.00. most of them are probably number 3's at best. but i found that a guy like him can succeed in the majors. I think we should give him an opportunity in ST to succeed.

 

I absolutely think they should both be given an opportunity.

 

But that doesn't mean it 's going to work out. There is a reason the scouting world is not hot after them and even projecting them into the rotation. We have guys like this every few years - Yusmiero Petit, Graham Taylor, etc, that tear up the minors and are incapable of doing anything against big league hitters. Sure, they could be wrong, or develop a new pitch like Hensley and reinvent themselves overnight, but they are just not projectable into legitimate big league innings right now. But I hope I am wrong.

Out of these 3 we all know that Sanabia can pitch...I'm esceptic about Villanueva and to a lesser degree Koehler...I think Villanueva can be a poor man version of Yusmeiro Petit...