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In a perfect world, Boni would not make the team

 

But in Edwin's world, if Dominguez makes the team, then Murphy or Wise won't.

 

I don't see why Boni wouldn't make it in a perfect world. I'll take a bench guy who plays 6 positions (according to both UZR and +/-, he played them all about average), is the fastest man in baseball, and hits .261/.320/.328.

 

Unless, in this perfect world, you have Troy Tulowitzki on your bench.

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i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track.

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i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track.

 

Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place.

 

Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do.

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i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track.

 

Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place.

 

Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do.

 

id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options.

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i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track.

 

Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place.

 

Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do.

 

id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options.

 

You don't catch lightning with 32 year old career minor league players.

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I'd rather have Bonifacio as well who at least has one area he excels in (speed) as opposed to Wise who has no areas he excels in...the fact that Bonifacio can adequately play most positions only enhances his value. Combine this with the fact that he has been here a couple years and knows the team well I think he would have the inside track between those two. He really doesn't have that bad of an arm either out there in CF if that's where he ends up, it's not like he has Pierre's noodle arm.

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i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track.

 

Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place.

 

Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do.

 

id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options.

 

You don't catch lightning with 32 year old career minor league players.

 

Seriously. There is nothing at all exciting about Wise.

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i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track.

 

Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place.

 

Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do.

 

id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options.

 

You don't catch lightning with 32 year old career minor league players.

 

never said exciting just a better option than bonifacio right now.

 

Seriously. There is nothing at all exciting about Wise.

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Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's

 

Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League.

 

He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play.

 

 

 

No, it's not.

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Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's

 

Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League.

 

He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play.

 

 

I hope you aren't talking about ST stats.

 

jobs are earned in spring training.

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Last 3 years for both of them:

 

Wise

Year   Age  Tm Lg   G  PA  AB  R  H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB         Pos
2008    30 CHW AL  57 143 129 20 32  4  2  6  18  9  0  8 32 .248 .293 .450 .742   90 58   5   1  3  2   0        78/9
2009    31 CHW AL  84 153 142 17 32  8  3  2  11  4  5  3 27 .225 .262 .366 .628   60 52   1   4  4  0   0        89/7
2010    32 TOR AL  52 118 112 20 28  3  2  3  14  4  0  4 29 .250 .282 .393 .675   82 44   1   1  1  0   0         897

Bonifacio

Year   Age  Tm Lg   G  PA  AB  R   H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS OPS+  TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB       Pos
2008    23 TOT NL  49 186 169 29  41  6  5  0  14  7  4 14 46 .243 .296 .337 .633   67  57   2   0  0  3   0      4/97
2009    24 FLA NL 127 509 461 72 116 11  6  1  27 21  9 34 95 .252 .303 .308 .611   61 142   5   2  8  4   0    568/47
2010    25 FLA NL  73 201 180 30  47  6  3  0  10 12  0 17 42 .261 .320 .328 .648   72  59   1   0  1  3   0   8/67594

I rather have Boni. Boni's lowest OBP is higher than Wise's highest. Wise is better at slugging, but not nearly good enough to counteract Boni's better OBP, better BA, higher versitility, and much better speed.

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Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's

 

Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League.

 

He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play.

 

 

I hope you aren't talking about ST stats.

 

jobs are earned in spring training.

Not this one. And they really shouldn't be, that's how you end up with Bonifacio starting at 3B.

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I've never been known to support Bonifacio much before in the past, put he's absolutely much more valuable to the team.

 

He's versatile, has some speed, and plays okay defense. He can be a decent bench/utility player, which is what the Marlins should have considered him from the beginning. He carries this impression that he sucks because Beinfest made the mistake that he tends to make sometimes, and stubbornly think that Bonifacio was an everyday player and was going to "break out" at some point in 2009. As long as you understand what Bonifacio is, he's not a bad player.

 

Having said that, Wise is AAAA player. He's the type of player that even if he had a decent spring, I wouldn't give him a shot on the opening day roster unless injuries absolutely demanded it.

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