March 23, 201115 yr Who should make it? my take is wise. he has great speed and is a very solid outfielder (better than bonifacio). has more power and frankly with dobbs, helms, and murphy, bonifacio is not really needed right now.
March 23, 201115 yr In a perfect world, Boni would not make the team But in Edwin's world, if Dominguez makes the team, then Murphy or Wise won't.
March 23, 201115 yr Bonifacio is a more versatile player, and Wise isn't really any better of a hitter
March 23, 201115 yr In a perfect world, Boni would not make the team But in Edwin's world, if Dominguez makes the team, then Murphy or Wise won't. I don't see why Boni wouldn't make it in a perfect world. I'll take a bench guy who plays 6 positions (according to both UZR and +/-, he played them all about average), is the fastest man in baseball, and hits .261/.320/.328. Unless, in this perfect world, you have Troy Tulowitzki on your bench.
March 23, 201115 yr I'd take Boni just based on the fact that he can adequately play all but maybe 3 positions.
March 23, 201115 yr Author i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track.
March 23, 201115 yr I know Wise has had a good ST, but what does he offer other than his D? He's been a terrible hitter in his career.
March 23, 201115 yr i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track. Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place. Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do.
March 23, 201115 yr Author i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track. Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place. Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do. id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options.
March 23, 201115 yr i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track. Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place. Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do. id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options. You don't catch lightning with 32 year old career minor league players.
March 23, 201115 yr I'd rather have Bonifacio as well who at least has one area he excels in (speed) as opposed to Wise who has no areas he excels in...the fact that Bonifacio can adequately play most positions only enhances his value. Combine this with the fact that he has been here a couple years and knows the team well I think he would have the inside track between those two. He really doesn't have that bad of an arm either out there in CF if that's where he ends up, it's not like he has Pierre's noodle arm.
March 23, 201115 yr i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track. Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place. Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do. id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options. You don't catch lightning with 32 year old career minor league players. Seriously. There is nothing at all exciting about Wise.
March 23, 201115 yr Author i understand boni plays a lot of positions but we dont need him right now with all the infielders we have. we need a true 4th outfielder and wise is just that. and as of right now, wise has done a lot more with the bat this spring than bonifacio has. it kind of sucks to have a guy on your bench who on top of not being a good hitter cant even get the ball to the warning track. Spring training is bulls***, using it to make decisions is how we got Boni at 3B in the first place. Wise hasn't had an OBP at .300 since 2007 and it's not like he's amazing defensively. He's basically been around average his entire career, which Boni can do. id rather give wise a chance to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and if not so wat, just bring bonifacio back up. i think he still has options. You don't catch lightning with 32 year old career minor league players. never said exciting just a better option than bonifacio right now. Seriously. There is nothing at all exciting about Wise.
March 23, 201115 yr never said exciting just a better option than bonifacio right now. He's not. Seriously. He has a career .309 Minor league OBP and a .260 major league OBP. He's worse than Bonifacio.
March 23, 201115 yr Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League. He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play.
March 23, 201115 yr Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League. He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play. I hope you aren't talking about ST stats.
March 23, 201115 yr Bonifacio, because of his versatility. Why is this a question? They are both going to make the team.
March 23, 201115 yr Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League. He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play. No, it's not.
March 23, 201115 yr Author Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League. He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play. I hope you aren't talking about ST stats. jobs are earned in spring training.
March 23, 201115 yr Last 3 years for both of them: Wise Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos 2008 30 CHW AL 57 143 129 20 32 4 2 6 18 9 0 8 32 .248 .293 .450 .742 90 58 5 1 3 2 0 78/9 2009 31 CHW AL 84 153 142 17 32 8 3 2 11 4 5 3 27 .225 .262 .366 .628 60 52 1 4 4 0 0 89/7 2010 32 TOR AL 52 118 112 20 28 3 2 3 14 4 0 4 29 .250 .282 .393 .675 82 44 1 1 1 0 0 897 Bonifacio Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos 2008 23 TOT NL 49 186 169 29 41 6 5 0 14 7 4 14 46 .243 .296 .337 .633 67 57 2 0 0 3 0 4/97 2009 24 FLA NL 127 509 461 72 116 11 6 1 27 21 9 34 95 .252 .303 .308 .611 61 142 5 2 8 4 0 568/47 2010 25 FLA NL 73 201 180 30 47 6 3 0 10 12 0 17 42 .261 .320 .328 .648 72 59 1 0 1 3 0 8/67594 I rather have Boni. Boni's lowest OBP is higher than Wise's highest. Wise is better at slugging, but not nearly good enough to counteract Boni's better OBP, better BA, higher versitility, and much better speed.
March 23, 201115 yr Wise's OPS is fifty points higher that Bonifacio's Bonifacio has consistently been one of the ten worst position players in the National League. He is a punch and judy hitter who can't make contact and an average fielder at one position and below average everywhere else he tries to play. I hope you aren't talking about ST stats. jobs are earned in spring training. Not this one. And they really shouldn't be, that's how you end up with Bonifacio starting at 3B.
March 23, 201115 yr I've never been known to support Bonifacio much before in the past, put he's absolutely much more valuable to the team. He's versatile, has some speed, and plays okay defense. He can be a decent bench/utility player, which is what the Marlins should have considered him from the beginning. He carries this impression that he sucks because Beinfest made the mistake that he tends to make sometimes, and stubbornly think that Bonifacio was an everyday player and was going to "break out" at some point in 2009. As long as you understand what Bonifacio is, he's not a bad player. Having said that, Wise is AAAA player. He's the type of player that even if he had a decent spring, I wouldn't give him a shot on the opening day roster unless injuries absolutely demanded it.
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