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Its becoming increasingly obvious that the bottom of the rotation is the area with the greatest need of an upgrade. If the Marlins keep winning games, I do believe that they will address this need.

 

Who do you guys see as realistic options for trade? I know its probably too early to be discussing this but we may already get a sense of the teams that will be sellers at the deadline.

 

One name I would keep an eye on is Erik Bedard from Seattle. Granted they're playing well and in a weak division.. but I just can't see them continue to stay close and think they may be sellers at the deadline. Would be nice to get a lefty in the rotation.. but with a minimal, one-year contract, he will probably be a very popular name at the deadline.

 

Thoughts? Ideas?

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Being a Mariners fan secondly (thus the name). I have seen plenty of Bedard in person and on television he was a great pitcher a few years back (very consistent) and even before the Mariners he was a Cy Young candidate with Baltimore but the injury bug hit and it hasn't stopped since, nor has he pitched the same since, hi risk/hi reward. Hasn't pitched very well this year coming off of injury but had his first quality start just the other day. I would wait on him and see how he does in his next 5 outings or so, the guy can pitch when it comes down to it though, just a big injury factor looming.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to it just risky (but I suppose you could say that about everyone)

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I just found out Buerhle has a big problem with him. Namely this clause in his contract:

 

"# 2009 - July 15, 2010: limited no-trade protection allowing Buehrle to block trades to certain unspecified clubs. A trade triggers an escalator paying $1M raise to $15M annually, plus a guaranteed fifth year paying $15M for 2012."

 

Source -- http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-white-sox.html

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Here are some other possible targets:

 

Twins-

 

Carl Pavano rhp

2 years/$16.5M (2011-12)

 

* 2 years/$16.5M (2011-12)

o re-signed by Minnesota as a free agent 1/19/11

o 11:$8M, 12:$8.5M

o performance bonuses: $0.1M each for 190, 200 IP. $0.15M each for 210, 220 IP

o limited no-trade protection

o club will not offer arbitration after 2012 season

* 1 year/$7M (2010)

o re-signed by Minnesota 1/19/10 (avoided arbitration)

* 1 year/$1.5M (2009)

o signed by Cleveland as a free agent 1/6/09

o $5.3M in performance bonuses:

+ starts: $0.1M each for 18, 20, 22; $0.2M each for 24, 26, 28; $0.25M for 30; $0.3M for 32; $0.35M each for 33, 34; $0.4M for 35

+ innings: $0.1M each for 130, 140, 150; $0.15M each for 160, 170; $0.2M for 180; $0.25M each for 190, 200, 210; $0.3M for 215; $0.4M for 225; $0.5M for 235

o acquired by Minnesota in trade from Cleveland 8/7/09

* 4 years/$39.95M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option

o signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/04

o 05:$9M, 06:$8M, 07:$10M, 08:$11M, 09:$13M club option

($1.95M buyout)

o no-trade clause

o Pavano may void option by reaching appearance levels (200 IP in 2008 or 400 IP 2007-08), but no buyout is paid

o Yankees declined option 10/08

* 1 year/$3.8M (2004)

o re-signed by Florida 1 /04 (avoided arbitration)

o $50,000 All Star award bonus

* 1 year/$1.5M (2003)

o re-signed by Florida 12/02

* 1 year/$1.3125M (2002) (Montreal)

o re-signed by Montreal 2/02 (avoided arbitration, $1.425M - $1.2M)

* 1 year/$1.3M (2001)

* drafted 1994 (13-355) (Southington HS, Conn.)

* agent: Tom O'Connell

* ML service: 12.161

 

Scott Baker rhp

4 years/$15.25M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option

 

* 4 years/$15.25M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option

o signed extension with Minnesota 3/7/09

o 09:$0.75M, 10:$3M, 11:$5M, 12:$6.5M, 13:$9.25M club option

o award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M for Cy Young ($75,000 for 2nd, $50,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for MVP ($25,000 for 2nd-5th); $50,000 each for Gold Glove, LCS MVP; $25,000 for All Star

* 1 year/$0.4225M (2008)

o re-signed by Minnesota 2/27/08

* 1 year (2007)

o re-signed by Minnesota 3/07

* 1 year/$0.33M (2006)

o re-signed by Minnesota 3/06

* 1 year (2005)

o contract purchased by Minnesota 5/05

* drafted 2003 (2-58)

* $0.6M signing bonus

* agent: Octagon

* ML service: 4.128

 

Source -- http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/minnesota-twins_17.html

 

Houston Astros-

 

Brett Myers rhp

2 years/$23M (2011-12), plus 2013 club option

 

* 2 years/$23M (2011-12), plus 2013 club option

o signed extension with Houston 8/1/10, replacing option year of previous deal

o $2M signing bonus

o 11:$7M, 12:$11M, 13:$10M club option ($3M buyout)

o 2013 option guaranteed based on 2012 performance

o $1.5M in annual performance bonuses

* 1 year/$5.1M (2010), plus 2011 mutual option

o signed by Houston as a free agent 1/12/10

o 10:$3.1M, 11:$8M mutual option ($2M buyout)

* 3 years/$25.75M (2007-09)

o re-signed by Philadelphia 2/07 (avoided arbitration, $5.9M-$5M)

o $0.25M signing bonus

o 07:$5M, 08:$8.5M, 09:$12M

* 1 year/$3.3M (2006)

o re-signed by Philadelphia 1/06 (avoided arbitration)

* 1 year/$0.445M (2005)

o re-signed by Philadelphia 2/05

* 1 year/$0.3625M (2004)

* 1 year/$0.3M (2003)

* drafted 1999 (1-12)

* $2.05M signing bonus

* agent: Craig Landis

* ML service: 8.068

 

Source -- http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/houston-astros.html

 

Los Angeles Dodgers-

 

Hiroki Kuroda rhp

1 year/$12M (2011)

 

* 1 year/$12M (2011)

o re-signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 11/4/10

o $4M signing bonus (paid 2012-13)

o $8M salary for 2011

o $0.5M in performance bonuses

o full no-trade clause

* 3 years/$35.3M (2008-10)

o signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 12/15/07

o $7.3M signing bonus (paid between 3/2008 and 3/2010)

o 08:$5M, 09:$10M, 10:$13M

o no-trade protection

o Kuroda may become a free agent after contract expires

o perks: $30,000 moving allowance, visa fees paid by club, personal trainer, interpreter, interpreter for family, English lessons, 8 round-trip first class airline tickets between Japan, LA each season

o Kuroda to donate $0.1M to club charity

* Hiroshima of Japanese Central League, 1997-2007

* agent: Steve Hilliard, Octagon

* ML service: 3.000

 

Jon Garland rhp

1 year/$5M (2011), plus 2012 club option

 

* 1 year/$5M (2011), plus 2012 club option

o signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 11/26/10

o 11:$5M, 12:$8M club option (guaranteed with 190 IP in 2011)

o 2011 performance bonuses up to $3M based on IP

* 1 year/$5.3M (2010), plus 2011 mutual option

o signed by San Diego as a free agent 1/26/10

o 10:$4.7M, 11:$6.75M mutual option ($0.6M buyout if club declines, $0.3M buyout if player declines)

o Garland declined 2011 option 11/2/10

* 1 year/$7.25M (2009)

o signed by Arizona as a free agent 1/29/09

o 09:$6.25M, 10:$10M mutual option ($2.5M buyout if club declines, $1M buyout if player declines)

o if traded in 2009, new club may not offer arbitration if Garland ranks as a Type A free agent

o acquired by LA Dodgers in trade from Arizona 8/31/09 (Arizona to pay remaining 2009 salary and 2010 buyout)

o LA Dodgers declined 2010 option 11/5/09

* 3 years/$29M (2006-08)

o signed extension with Chicago White Sox 12/05

o 06:$7M, 07:$10M, 08:$12M

o acquired by LA Angels in trade from White Sox 11/19/07, with Angels paying White Sox $1.5M as part of the deal

* 1 year/$3.4M (2005)

o re-signed by White Sox 11/04 (avoided arbitration)

* 1 year/$2.3M (2004)

o re-signed by White Sox 11/03 (avoided arbitration)

* 1 year/$0.375M (2003)

o re-signed by White Sox 3/03

* 1 year/$0.275M (2002)

o re-signed by White Sox 3/02

* acquired by White Sox in trade from Cubs 7/98

* drafted by Chicago Cubs 1997 (1-10) (Kennedy HS, Granada Hills, Calif.)

* $1.325M signing bonus

* agent: Craig Landis

* ML service: 10.071

 

Source -- http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/los-angeles-dodgers.html

 

Arizona Diamondbacks-

 

Joe Saunders lhp

1 year/$5.5M (2011)

 

* 1 year/$5.5M (2011)

o re-signed by Arizona 1/18/11 (avoided arbitration)

* 1 year/$3.7M (2010)

o re-signed by LA Angels 1/29/10 (avoided arbitration, $3.85M-$3.6M)

o performance bonuses: $25,000 each for 180, 200 IP

o acquired by Arizona in trade from LA Angels 7/25/10 (Haren deal)

* 1 year/$0.475M (2009)

o re-signed by Angels 2/26/09

o award bonus: $25,000 for All Star

* 1 year/$0.425M (2008)

o re-signed by Angels 3/2/08

o award bonus: $25,000 for All Star selection

* 1 year/$0.38M (2007)

o renewed by Angels 3/07

* 1 year (2006)

o re-signed by Angels 2/06

* drafted 2002 (1-12)

* $1.825M signing bonus

* agent: Greg Genske

* ML service: 4.013

 

Source -- http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/arizona-diamondbacks_10.html

 

Pittsburgh Pirates-

 

Paul Maholm lhp

3 years/$14.5M (2009-11), plus 2012 club option

 

* 3 years/$14.5M (2009-11), plus 2012 club option

o signed extension with Pittsburgh 1/30/09 (avoided arbitration, $3.8M-$2.65M)

o $1.5M signing bonus

o 09:$2M, 10:$4.5M, 11:$5.75M, 12:$9.75M club option ($0.75M buyout)

o 2012 option may increase by $1.3M to $11.05M based on performance

o award bonuses

* 1 year/$0.4245M (2008)

o re-signed by Pittsburgh 3/10/08

* 1 year/$0.403M (2007), re-signed 3/07

* 1 year/$0.328M (2006), re-signed 2/06

* 1 year (2005), contract purchased 8/05

* drafted 2003 (1-8) (Mississippi State)

* $2.2M signing bonus

* agent: Bo McKinnis

* ML service: 5.037

 

Source--

 

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/pittsburgh-pirates_08.html

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The Marlins are in no position to be giving up assets.

 

His name is Alex Sanabia.

 

He's out until late this month, possibly longer.

 

Did I miss something? I figure Javier will be around until at least then.

He's out for at least the rest of the month and then he'll stay in the minors for a while after that. He won't be ready for a callup until after the All-Star break at the earliest.

 

And it's not like the guy had dominating stuff to begin with. Now he has shoulder problems.

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Again I figure Javy has some time left in him.

 

Sanabia is no all-star but he can get the job done if need be. And probably with a lesser ERA than what Javy is posting at the moment.

 

You're right about taking some time to get back from an injury. I didn't think about that. But still, I'd rather not give up any assets unless we know we're destined for the playoffs.

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If the Marlins keep winning games, I do believe that they will address this need.

If the Marlins keep winning games then it will be because the starters managed to turn it around. It's if and when the Marlins stop winning games that trade talks will start.

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I think this is an important topic because Loria has proven that any time the Marlins are in contention, he's willing to add payroll and make moves. The nice thing is that we don't need a frontline starter, we need a consistent #4 starter. This means we won't have to give up a highly-rated propspect (good b/c we don't really have any) and that whoever we bring on probablly won't command much money.

 

Off the top of my head, the realistic tradeable commodities we have include James, Hand, West, Dominguez and Ozzie (I'm not really sure if we have anyone else other teams would be interested in for a trade). Those guys would never net us a great pitcher but again, we only need a back end guy.

 

How about Livan Hernandez? The Nats are playing well but will fall out of contention within the next couple monhts. Livan is an older guy and not part of their future. He would be the perfect guy to come in, pitch 4.5 ERA baseball and save our Bull Pen innings. Not sure what he's making but can't be more than $4 Million and I'm sure the Nats would part with him for a shot in the dark at a guy like West, who is young and at least has some potential. I doubt teams would be clamoring to add Livan so it's not like the Nats would be creating a bidding war for him, but he would be such a smart addition for this time.

 

We have to think of guys that we can get for our minor leaguers (who aren't heralded). Less of a need is third base. We could certainly upgrade there but I don't think we have the specs to do it and I also think that continuing to platoon Dobbs and Bonifacio is good enough to win the championship given our strength everywhere else on the field.

 

So what say you guys - think Livan is realistic? How great would it be for him to return for another run with the Fish?:thumbup

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I think this is an important topic because Loria has proven that any time the Marlins are in contention, he's willing to add payroll and make moves. The nice thing is that we don't need a frontline starter, we need a consistent #4 starter. This means we won't have to give up a highly-rated propspect (good b/c we don't really have any) and that whoever we bring on probablly won't command much money.

 

Off the top of my head, the realistic tradeable commodities we have include James, Hand, West, Dominguez and Ozzie (I'm not really sure if we have anyone else other teams would be interested in for a trade). Those guys would never net us a great pitcher but again, we only need a back end guy.

 

How about Livan Hernandez? The Nats are playing well but will fall out of contention within the next couple monhts. Livan is an older guy and not part of their future. He would be the perfect guy to come in, pitch 4.5 ERA baseball and save our Bull Pen innings. Not sure what he's making but can't be more than $4 Million and I'm sure the Nats would part with him for a shot in the dark at a guy like West, who is young and at least has some potential. I doubt teams would be clamoring to add Livan so it's not like the Nats would be creating a bidding war for him, but he would be such a smart addition for this time.

 

We have to think of guys that we can get for our minor leaguers (who aren't heralded). Less of a need is third base. We could certainly upgrade there but I don't think we have the specs to do it and I also think that continuing to platoon Dobbs and Bonifacio is good enough to win the championship given our strength everywhere else on the field.

 

So what say you guys - think Livan is realistic? How great would it be for him to return for another run with the Fish?:thumbup

 

 

I'm not willing to give up James or Hand for a #4 starter. We have very little future quality SP depth. I'd maybe consider West only because I think he's crap at this point, practically Aaron Thompson-bad recently + injuries to boot.

 

I'm not a fan of acquiring a guy who only "might" be better than Javy; I'd either want a stronger SP (which we don't have the horses for/shouldn't give up the horses for), or else at least wait a while longer until we're completely sure Javy is hopeless (I'd understand why people may have concluded this already, thought).

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