That thread got me to thinking, is there a chance that Skipworth can ever become a decent catcher for us, or have the Marlins started to look elsewhere for that guy ?

 

Adrian Gonzalez developed late - are there signs this could happen in Skipworth's future? Anything being seen or happening this year that is starting to make us believe in him? Anything he is showing to say he could be starting to really develop well?

 

Was the Buck signing a sign that the Marlins have given up on Skipworth?

There are no signs. He absolutely cannot hit at all. Signing Buck was about now, as even if Skip is going to work out, it would be 3-4 years from now, which is length of the Buck deal. Buck has nothing to do with Skip.

You can bet Skipworth will be the guy once Buck leaves, Buck is simply a stopgap still skipworth develops, 3 years

You can bet Skipworth will be the guy once Buck leaves, Buck is simply a stopgap still skipworth develops, 3 years

 

 

Based on what? Skipworth has been just awful so far.

You can bet Skipworth will be the guy once Buck leaves, Buck is simply a stopgap still skipworth develops, 3 years

 

 

Based on what? Skipworth has been just awful so far.

 

That doesn't mean that this franchise won't try and just hand him a job with no competition.

 

See: Dominguez, Matt

Dominguez has done a lot more than Skipworth has. That's a terrible comparison.

I think it was silly to even pretend that Dominguez would be a starter this season, but I think he certainly projects to be a positive WAR player because of his defense alone.

 

Skipworth doesn't have that reputation for his defensive abilities.

He has to hit higher than .190 in AA first before even thinking about playing in the bigs.

You can bet Skipworth will be the guy once Buck leaves, Buck is simply a stopgap still skipworth develops, 3 years

 

 

Based on what? Skipworth has been just awful so far.

 

That doesn't mean that this franchise won't try and just hand him a job with no competition.

 

See: Dominguez, Matt

Did he get the job and I missed it? And he's done far more than Skipworth, i.e. hit a bit in AA and play terrific defense.

I don't even know why the hell Skip was even promoted to AA. He didn't hit in A either.

I don't even know why the hell Skip was even promoted to AA. He didn't hit in A either.

 

 

this was the problem, think we bumped him up too early

You can bet Skipworth will be the guy once Buck leaves, Buck is simply a stopgap still skipworth develops, 3 years

 

 

Based on what? Skipworth has been just awful so far.

 

That doesn't mean that this franchise won't try and just hand him a job with no competition.

 

See: Dominguez, Matt

 

 

That's a terrible comparison.

Why not give Luke Montz a shot? He's been tearing it up in Jacksonville lately!

Where's Realmuto?

You can bet Skipworth will be the guy once Buck leaves, Buck is simply a stopgap still skipworth develops, 3 years

 

 

Based on what? Skipworth has been just awful so far.

 

That doesn't mean that this franchise won't try and just hand him a job with no competition.

 

See: Dominguez, Matt

Did he get the job and I missed it? And he's done far more than Skipworth, i.e. hit a bit in AA and play terrific defense.

 

He didn't get the job that the team tried to hand him in ST. Yes, we all know he didn't make the opening day roster, but we also know that the team's only plan at third base entering ST was him, and we didn't even have any other options to provide starting caliber play at that position. You can tell me all you want about Dobbs and Bonifacio being better than expected, but that they have been and they still don't amount to what a corner infielder should be able to produce doesn't say much about how the FO tried to address, or more accurately didn't, this position.

You can bet Skipworth will be the guy once Buck leaves, Buck is simply a stopgap still skipworth develops, 3 years

 

 

Based on what? Skipworth has been just awful so far.

 

That doesn't mean that this franchise won't try and just hand him a job with no competition.

 

See: Dominguez, Matt

Did he get the job and I missed it? And he's done far more than Skipworth, i.e. hit a bit in AA and play terrific defense.

 

He didn't get the job that the team tried to hand him in ST. Yes, we all know he didn't make the opening day roster, but we also know that the team's only plan at third base entering ST was him, and we didn't even have any other options to provide starting caliber play at that position. You can tell me all you want about Dobbs and Bonifacio being better than expected, but that they have been and they still don't amount to what a corner infielder should be able to produce doesn't say much about how the FO tried to address, or more accurately didn't, this position.

Okay, but that's not what this discussion is about. It is about the idea of actually starting. And Dominguez is still a bad comparison.

For what it's worth, NL 3rd basemen this year collectively have the lowest OPS of any position outside of SS. So it's not just the Marlins that didn't have a plan. NL 3B are embarassing right now. Collectively hitting .254/.315/.373, for a .688 OPS.

 

I don't think it's crazy to think he could have been OK with his defense, considering how much offense is down right now.

Also, average offense is down overall in the NL this year. Average OPS right now is .704.

Also, average offense is down overall in the NL this year. Average OPS right now is .704.

 

 

All the more reason that John Buck's hate is unwarranted, by the way. Once his BABIP regresses, he should be at least average. He's likely overpaid, but an average catcher is fine when you have some other very talented players on the roster.

Also, average offense is down overall in the NL this year. Average OPS right now is .704.

 

 

All the more reason that John Buck's hate is unwarranted, by the way. Once his BABIP regresses, he should be at least average. He's likely overpaid, but an average catcher is fine when you have some other very talented players on the roster.

 

His OPS+ is 85.

 

His Caught Stealing % is 18%. MLB average is 28%.

 

He's tied for 4th in MLB is Passed Balls.

 

The criticism he receives is well earned.

Also, average offense is down overall in the NL this year. Average OPS right now is .704.

 

 

All the more reason that John Buck's hate is unwarranted, by the way. Once his BABIP regresses, he should be at least average. He's likely overpaid, but an average catcher is fine when you have some other very talented players on the roster.

 

His OPS+ is 85.

 

His Caught Stealing % is 18%. MLB average is 28%.

 

He's tied for 4th in MLB is Passed Balls.

 

The criticism he receives is well earned.

 

The bold has been obvious if you have been watching the Marlins all year, he hasn't been performing at all it's also troubling.

 

I came in here expecting about a .250 season from Buck (for him to have at least a decent season), he will probably pass his homer expectations but he isn't getting it done much beyond that.

Why not give Luke Montz a shot? He's been tearing it up in Jacksonville lately!

 

Same reason we shouldn't have given Ozzie Martinez a shot. It's one decent year in the minors. Though Martinez was a little more understandable because he's 23.

 

 

Also, average offense is down overall in the NL this year. Average OPS right now is .704.

 

 

All the more reason that John Buck's hate is unwarranted, by the way. Once his BABIP regresses, he should be at least average. He's likely overpaid, but an average catcher is fine when you have some other very talented players on the roster.

He's awful defensively, as has been pointed out, which is where a lot of my beef with him and his overpaying lies. When his BABIP regresses, he'll be a .260 hitter at best which isn't terrible for an average catcher but his lack of ability to do anything decent on D makes him worse than average. I think a lot of his signing had to do with his power production last year, especially with the loss of Uggla. If he continues on his exact path this year, he'll match it with 20 HR but I don't see any way he matches what he did on D last year.

I read that Realmuto also has played some in the infield. Was he drafted to definitely play catcher and be competition for Skipworth? Or could they also be grooming him to play an infield position? Or both ?

Why not give Luke Montz a shot? He's been tearing it up in Jacksonville lately!

 

Same reason we shouldn't have given Ozzie Martinez a shot. It's one decent year in the minors. Though Martinez was a little more understandable because he's 23.

 

I think Montz is only 27? It's not like were any threat to get back into the race and we might as well take a chance at this point. Pudge ain't walking through that door!

so lets say dominguez is our 3b next year, where will boni play? will we bench him or will he play 2b?