Yea, I hate fans in this state. They were all probably from Philadelphia.

It's mind boggling how they don't realize that this is bigger than football.

It'll probably get worse. Thankfully this was the last home game and the season is almost over.

Exactly. They told Paterno they did, but they lied. They never told anyone. They swept it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

 

 

Let me repeat, no one ever claimed they had or intended to call the police and CPS nor told anyone they did. Not Joe Paterno, not Mike MCQueary, not Tim Curley. The testimony explicitly says just that. They all just shrugged it off as not their problem.

and I quote:

 

Although (Gary) Schultz oversaw the University Police as part of his position, he never reported the 2002 incident to the University Police or police agency, never sought or reviewed a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002. No one from the University did so. Schultz did not ask the graduate assistant for specifics. No one ever did. Schultz expressed surprise upon learning that the 1998 investigation by University Police produced a lengthy police report. Schultz said there was never any discussion between himself and (Tim) Curley about turning the 2002 incident over to any plice agency. Schultz retired in June 2009 but currently holds the same position as a senior vice president with Penn State, on an interim basis.

 

I also read it yet I don't remember any mention that somone at Penn State notified the Second Mile charity about the 2002 incident. And the one spoke to was the attorney of the Second Mile charity who happened to be the past attorney for Penn State. Yet it doesn't appear they did nothing either when it was their children who were abused. There is a lot of blame to spread around.

I decided to read the full Grand Jury report for myself. I just finished and it just crushed my soul.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I feel you man. If you ever find the courage to read just one page though, page 7 is where its at.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I'm already dead inside so I just went for it in an effort to get all the facts in an unbiased format.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I understand. It really is hard to stomach.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I'm already dead inside so I just went for it in an effort to get all the facts in an unbiased format.

 

So what is your opinion now that you read it, did it change from before?

Supposedly the Second Mile board is meeting soon to decide whether the charity will close. Personally I don't think they did their due digilence. And considering all the victims came from the charity it seems closing should be the decision. No matter how much they have "done", a lot of bad happened. Or are they consider doing this before the lawsuits start flooding in?

 

To me it is especially heinous that the Second Mile was informed back in 2002 about alleged abuse, supposedly they said he could not work with kids although he continued to do so (or he would not have had some of these victims), and he RETIRED from the Second Mile in 2010!!!

I wanted to post this separately because I was wondering what people thought about Sandusky's wife and family. Do you think they had an inkling? To me it is inconceivable this abuse would continue at least 15 years and not someone in the family not noticing. I read somewhere, and of course I don't know the validity of the comment, that Sandusky was very "clingy" with the victims. Also contacting them numerous times (which may have been in the report) so wouldn't you think this is not normal and someone would notice like family, friends, coworkers, cohorts??

 

Thoughts??

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I'm already dead inside so I just went for it in an effort to get all the facts in an unbiased format.

 

So what is your opinion now that you read it, did it change from before?

 

 

I thought it was terribly sad. And for me it didn't change my opinion of the people involved.

 

I was surprised that it would not actually list the questions and answers of the witnesses like a deposition. But maybe that detail is only in depositions and in court. I also thought it would come more to a conclusion and then list the charges

It was terrible to read, and I can only imagine if I had children that it would be even worse. It's so mind-boggling to know that some people are wired to be that screwed up.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I'm already dead inside so I just went for it in an effort to get all the facts in an unbiased format.

 

So what is your opinion now that you read it, did it change from before?

 

 

I thought it was terribly sad. And for me it didn't change my opinion of the people involved.

 

I was surprised that it would not actually list the questions and answers of the witnesses like a deposition. But maybe that detail is only in depositions and in court. I also thought it would come more to a conclusion and then list the charges

The Grand Jury's job is to hear the facts and decide whether there is probable cause to charge someone with a crime or crimes. Once they've heard the evidence the prosecutor wants to present to them, they can then return a "true bill" (which they do basically every time), which means that the person will be formally charged. Then, the indictment lists their findings of fact.

 

Just be aware that these findings are not "beyond a reasonable doubt," but just made to determine if there is probable cause to charge the person, which is a much lower standard.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I'm already dead inside so I just went for it in an effort to get all the facts in an unbiased format.

 

So what is your opinion now that you read it, did it change from before?

 

My opinion remains the same that the "chain of command" at Penn State and the system in general failed these and other children miserably. I gained a greater understanding of Jerry Sandusky and his tactics. He was very consistent with every victim, doing things like touching their leg when they were riding in the front seat of his car to begin to gauge what they would allow him to do. That's just one subtle thing I will note that he did. He's a f***ing monster.

 

The report states Paterno as saying McQueary was very upset when telling him about the rape he witnessed. I still believe McQueary should have called the cops, but you can't change the past. That program is like a cult and that young man was clearly brainwashed. I'm in no way giving him a free pass, but it is what it is.

 

The higher ups mentioned did in fact sweep this under the rug, and that's disgusting. I don't know what Paterno was thinking, but he's been old as f*** for a while. He should have retired 10 years ago.

 

If I was a student at Penn State, I would read the Grand Jury report and then transfer immediately.

I absolutely refuse to read that thing. There's zero way I could take it.

 

 

I'm already dead inside so I just went for it in an effort to get all the facts in an unbiased format.

 

So what is your opinion now that you read it, did it change from before?

 

 

I thought it was terribly sad. And for me it didn't change my opinion of the people involved.

 

I was surprised that it would not actually list the questions and answers of the witnesses like a deposition. But maybe that detail is only in depositions and in court. I also thought it would come more to a conclusion and then list the charges

The Grand Jury's job is to hear the facts and decide whether there is probable cause to charge someone with a crime or crimes. Once they've heard the evidence the prosecutor wants to present to them, they can then return a "true bill" (which they do basically every time), which means that the person will be formally charged. Then, the indictment lists their findings of fact.

 

Just be aware that these findings are not "beyond a reasonable doubt," but just made to determine if there is probable cause to charge the person, which is a much lower standard.

 

Thanks for your comments. It makes it easier to understand.

sh*t just gets more disturbing every day....

Supposedly the Second Mile board is meeting soon to decide whether the charity will close. Personally I don't think they did their due digilence. And considering all the victims came from the charity it seems closing should be the decision. No matter how much they have "done", a lot of bad happened. Or are they consider doing this before the lawsuits start flooding in?

 

To me it is especially heinous that the Second Mile was informed back in 2002 about alleged abuse, supposedly they said he could not work with kids although he continued to do so (or he would not have had some of these victims), and he RETIRED from the Second Mile in 2010!!!

 

 

UPDATE: QUOTE from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45286426/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ regarding judge who gave Sandusky $100K unsecured bail:

 

"Sandusky, who retired from Penn State in 1999, informed The Second Mile board in November 2008 that he was under investigation. The charity subsequently barred him from activities involving children, charity officials said." As I said he RETIRED in 2010. Why did they keep him on? No wonder the CEO of 28 years resigned Sunday

Sandusky is not only a free pedophile, but he's flying in public airports:

 

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/14/jerry-sandusky-laguardia-airport-dunkin-donuts/#.TsGWkmC4I00

 

Hide ya kids, hide ya kids, HIDE YA KIDS.

I thought he was put in jail. How is he free?

The mofo was bailed out for just $100K, and -- get this -- the judge who set the bail is a Second Mile volunteer. Can't make this up.

Courtesy of Beaver County Times:

The Centre County district judge who freed former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky on bond after his Nov. 5 arrest is a supporter and volunteer of Second Mile, the children's charity Sandusky founded.

Judge Leslie Dutchcot set a $100,000 unsecured bond for Sandusky after he was arrested on charges he sexually abused eight boys while a leader of Second Mile; prosecutors had asked for a $500,000 bond.

Because the bond set by Dutchcot was unsecured, Sandusky was freed following his arraignment hearing Nov. 5. He won't be responsible for posting the bond unless he fails to appear at future hearings.

:nugget

It's a small town... I wouldn't be surprised if everyone and their grandmothers knew what was going on. As you can clearly see, everyone is connected somehow to each other, this is getting disturbing and weird at the same time.

BREAKING NEWS:

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By Jessica Hopper

Rock Center

DEVELOPING: Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky admitted to showering and horsing around with young boys but said he is not a pedophile in an exclusive interview with Bob Costas for NBC News' Rock Center airing tonight at 10 pm/9 CT.

"I say that I am innocent of those charges," said Sandusky in a phone interview with Costas.

When asked by Costas, "Are you a pedophile," Sandusky responded "No."

Joe Paterno’s one time defensive coordinator was charged earlier this month with 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys. He is currently free on a $100,000 bond and has denied any wrongdoing. The allegations date back to 1994, according to a grand jury report. A grand jury report detailed claims of alleged sexual encounters with young boys in Sandusky's home, hotels and Penn State locker rooms.

"I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact," said Sandusky.

When pressed by Costas about what Sandusky was willing to concede that he'd done was wrong, Sandusky said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

The scandal has tarnished the reputation of the once heralded football program, leading to the departure of coaching legend Paterno and three other university officials. It’s also left students and residents of State College, Penn., shocked.

The sight of the 67-year-old Sandusky in handcuffs is hard to reconcile with his public image of a devoted father of six adopted kids who founded a charity to help at risk youth. That charity, The Second Mile, has also come under fire.

All of the alleged sex abuse victims met Sandusky through their participation in The Second Mile. Sandusky founded the charity in 1977 as a group foster home for troubled boys. It spawned into a non-profit organization that has raised millions of dollars to help young boys and girls. Today, Chief Executive Officer Jack Raykovitz’s resignation was announced by the non-profit organization’s board of directors. Grand jury testimony alleges that Raykovitz was aware of at least one of the allegations against Sandusky.

In an NBC News interview from 1987, Sandusky joked that he started The Second Mile because he was a “frustrated playground director.�

“I enjoy being around children. I enjoy their enthusiasm. I just have a good time with them,� Sandusky said.

Sandusky gave up his day to day duties at the organization in 2010. By that time, at least two people had allegedly witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing two different boys in showers on Penn State’s campus, according to a grand jury report.

While Sandusky retired as a coach at Pennsylvania State University in 1999, he continued to have access to Penn State’s facilities. In 2002, he was banned from bringing minors to campus athletic facilities after then graduate student Mike McQueary allegedly witnessed Sandusky molesting a boy, according to the grand jury report. The incident was never reported to police or investigated by university police. Sandusky allegedly violated the order not to bring minors to campus by bringing at least one victim to the campus after 2002, according to the grand jury report.

The alleged victims testified that they were abused in hotel rooms, Sandusky’s own home and on Penn State’s campus. Some victims testified that Sandusky would visit them frequently at their schools when they didn’t return his phone calls, according to the grand jury report.

Editor's note: Bob Costas' exclusive interview airs on Rock Center tonight at 10pm/9 CT on NBC.

In an earlier edition of this report, we mistakenly identified a location of Sandusky's alleged sexual encounters as Paterno's home. According to the grand jury report, it was Sandusky's home.