That's a terrible comparison.

 

1. Solano has a career .260 batting average/.313 .OBP line in the minors so the lack of power point is irrelevant.

 

2. Bonifacio was actually not a major league caliber player his first year in the majors. He just so happened to get a lot better last year. He also has tools (or uh, more speed) than Solano could ever dream of having.

 

With that said, I still don't care because Donnie Murphy sucks and neither of these guys is going to play much, if at all.

 

Solano might be more useful late in games since he's probably faster than Murphy and can be used as a pinch-runner. That'll be their primary role on the team.

 

Does Solano need to work on his patience (although he is coming off of a pretty good year patience wise)? Sure. I'm not saying he doesn't. The point I was making about power was that he can hit minor league pitching despite having a low career OPS against it and for guys like him (and Boni), it's unfair to base their ability to hit off of it.

 

Also, I totally agree. Murphy sucks and Solano isn't going to blow anyone away. But the fact that people are saying Murphy has had success because he ran into a few hits two years ago and deserves a spot on this team because of it is absolutely absurd.

 

By the way, Solano doubled off of Joaquin Benoit and tied the game in the 9th today. .394 vs Murphy's .188 this spring.

 

Take away 5 of his hits this Spring Training and you don't even know who he is.

That's a terrible comparison.

 

1. Solano has a career .260 batting average/.313 .OBP line in the minors so the lack of power point is irrelevant.

 

2. Bonifacio was actually not a major league caliber player his first year in the majors. He just so happened to get a lot better last year. He also has tools (or uh, more speed) than Solano could ever dream of having.

 

With that said, I still don't care because Donnie Murphy sucks and neither of these guys is going to play much, if at all.

 

Solano might be more useful late in games since he's probably faster than Murphy and can be used as a pinch-runner. That'll be their primary role on the team.

 

Does Solano need to work on his patience (although he is coming off of a pretty good year patience wise)? Sure. I'm not saying he doesn't. The point I was making about power was that he can hit minor league pitching despite having a low career OPS against it and for guys like him (and Boni), it's unfair to base their ability to hit off of it.

 

Also, I totally agree. Murphy sucks and Solano isn't going to blow anyone away. But the fact that people are saying Murphy has had success because he ran into a few hits two years ago and deserves a spot on this team because of it is absolutely absurd.

 

By the way, Solano doubled off of Joaquin Benoit and tied the game in the 9th today. .394 vs Murphy's .188 this spring.

 

Take away 5 of his hits this Spring Training and you don't even know who he is.

Good thing he's made the most of his opportunity, huh?

 

Even if Murphy makes the team over him, Murphy will be DFAd because that's what Murphy does and he'll be here sooner or later so you'll see him in a Marlin uniform this year.

That's a terrible comparison.

 

1. Solano has a career .260 batting average/.313 .OBP line in the minors so the lack of power point is irrelevant.

 

2. Bonifacio was actually not a major league caliber player his first year in the majors. He just so happened to get a lot better last year. He also has tools (or uh, more speed) than Solano could ever dream of having.

 

With that said, I still don't care because Donnie Murphy sucks and neither of these guys is going to play much, if at all.

 

Solano might be more useful late in games since he's probably faster than Murphy and can be used as a pinch-runner. That'll be their primary role on the team.

 

Does Solano need to work on his patience (although he is coming off of a pretty good year patience wise)? Sure. I'm not saying he doesn't. The point I was making about power was that he can hit minor league pitching despite having a low career OPS against it and for guys like him (and Boni), it's unfair to base their ability to hit off of it.

 

Also, I totally agree. Murphy sucks and Solano isn't going to blow anyone away. But the fact that people are saying Murphy has had success because he ran into a few hits two years ago and deserves a spot on this team because of it is absolutely absurd.

 

By the way, Solano doubled off of Joaquin Benoit and tied the game in the 9th today. .394 vs Murphy's .188 this spring.

 

Take away 5 of his hits this Spring Training and you don't even know who he is.

Good thing he's made the most of his opportunity, huh?

 

Even if Murphy makes the team over him, Murphy will be DFAd and he'll be here sooner or later so you'll see him in a Marlin uniform this year.

 

So has Murphy. In the Big leagues and in tight situations. Yet, you have no problem with erasing them to prove a point.

So has Murphy. In the Big leagues and in tight situations. Yet, you have no problem with erasing them to prove a point.

 

Career late and close: .203/.276/.392.

 

So, yeah. No, he hasn't.

So has Murphy. In the Big leagues and in tight situations. Yet, you have no problem with erasing them to prove a point.

 

Career late and close: .203/.276/.392.

 

So, yeah. No, he hasn't.

 

I'm pretty sure you know what I was referring to.

So has Murphy. In the Big leagues and in tight situations. Yet, you have no problem with erasing them to prove a point.

 

Career late and close: .203/.276/.392.

 

So, yeah. No, he hasn't.

 

I'm pretty sure you know what I was referring to.

I really don't. He has done absolutely nothing in his career outside of a good month in 2010.

I meant 2 years ago, my bad. Last year he was awful. But to his benefit, he was playing through nagging injuries.

 

The question for me comes down to who you feel more comfortable with pinch hitting. I'm more comfortable with Murphy. I find it that Solano doesn't seem to excel at anything in particular.

 

If you take those 14 hits out of his career in 2010, he's 79/417 (.189). Come on, dim. You're better than that.

 

I believe in the philosophy that "not all hits are created equal".

 

Murphy did his in big spots.

I seriously can't believe you're weighing a career on 9 pinch hits. 9. I thought you were better than that.

These guys are not going to get many at-bats.

 

If Ozzie is smart, these guys will never get at-bats unless we're tied in extra innings and we have no other choice.

 

We have two left-handed pinch-hitters who will take AB's against righties. Kearns will get the AB's against lefties. If Kearns is unavailable, we'd be better off going with a lefty to pinch-hit against a lefty. Petersen actually hits lefties pretty well (hey look, another reason to want Petersen on the team!).

 

These guys won't play. You know what, I'd rather have neither one on the team and give the roster spot to Ceda. Ease him in, see what happens. If his K's translate to overall success, he can easily be the setup guy by summer. Just carry an extra reliever.

I meant 2 years ago, my bad. Last year he was awful. But to his benefit, he was playing through nagging injuries.

 

The question for me comes down to who you feel more comfortable with pinch hitting. I'm more comfortable with Murphy. I find it that Solano doesn't seem to excel at anything in particular.

 

If you take those 14 hits out of his career in 2010, he's 79/417 (.189). Come on, dim. You're better than that.

 

I believe in the philosophy that "not all hits are created equal".

 

Murphy did his in big spots.

I seriously can't believe you're weighing a career on 9 pinch hits. 9. I thought you were better than that.

 

 

 

Skip Bayless would probably have Donnie Murphy and Solano starting on his team so the picture makes no sense to me.

So has Murphy. In the Big leagues and in tight situations. Yet, you have no problem with erasing them to prove a point.

 

Career late and close: .203/.276/.392.

 

So, yeah. No, he hasn't.

 

I'm pretty sure you know what I was referring to.

I really don't. He has done absolutely nothing in his career outside of a good month in 2010.

 

The game winning hits Donnie Murphy had that season. Hence, Donnie BLEEPIN Murphy. That was his chance to show he belongs, and he had a good season. Small sample size, but he played well. He's also had a solid Minor League career and he's an OK defender.Solana can't even hit Minor League pithing, let alone MLB pitching.

Carlos Zambrano is a better hitter than these guys.

So has Murphy. In the Big leagues and in tight situations. Yet, you have no problem with erasing them to prove a point.

 

Career late and close: .203/.276/.392.

 

So, yeah. No, he hasn't.

 

I'm pretty sure you know what I was referring to.

I really don't. He has done absolutely nothing in his career outside of a good month in 2010.

 

The game winning hits Donnie Murphy had that season. Hence, Donnie BLEEPIN Murphy. That was his chance to show he belongs, and he had a good season. Small sample size, but he played well. He's also had a solid Minor League career and he's an OK defender.Solana can't even hit Minor League pithing, let alone MLB pitching.

I'm not going to repost why I think he can hit minor league pitching. Its hardly even worth arguing about this. Like Erick is saying, these guys won't matter much in the grand scheme of things. They'll start once every week and a half if they're lucky and will PH sparingly in between. They're both bench players. Murphy is garbage and saying that he can hit MLB pitching because of that one month is ridiculous but your opinion is your own.

2B Omar Infante, 3B Hanley Ramirez, SS Jose Reyes.

 

Yup, never gonna play.

 

 

Not trying to jinx anything, but considering two of the three have missed a decent amount of time over past couple years, I could see the backup guys playing. Not counting the other little injuries that occur. In a perfect world, there are no injuries.

2B Omar Infante, 3B Hanley Ramirez, SS Jose Reyes.

 

Yup, never gonna play.

 

 

Not trying to jinx anything, but considering two of the three have missed a decent amount of time over past couple years, I could see the backup guys playing. Not counting the other little injuries that occur. In a perfect world, there are no injuries.

 

If any of them get hurt, Bonifacio will move to the infield and either Petersen or Coghlan will play CF.

 

If any of them get hurt (especially the guys on the left side of the infield), we're screwed with Solano and screwed with Murphy too, so it's irrelevant anyway.

 

 

At the end of the day, we can really only afford a prolonged injury to a middle reliever maybe. The depth in the organization isn't any good so we just have to hope for health.

Games that don't matter don't matter.

Games that don't matter don't matter.

 

Yes, I think this is the way it should be. Quite eloquent, actually.

2B Omar Infante, 3B Hanley Ramirez, SS Jose Reyes.

 

Yup, never gonna play.

 

 

Not trying to jinx anything, but considering two of the three have missed a decent amount of time over past couple years, I could see the backup guys playing. Not counting the other little injuries that occur. In a perfect world, there are no injuries.

 

If any of them get hurt, Bonifacio will move to the infield and either Petersen or Coghlan will play CF.

 

If any of them get hurt (especially the guys on the left side of the infield), we're screwed with Solano and screwed with Murphy too, so it's irrelevant anyway.

 

 

At the end of the day, we can really only afford a prolonged injury to a middle reliever maybe. The depth in the organization isn't any good so we just have to hope for health.

I'm concerned with how this spring training philosophy extends to selecting the reserve outfield spots. It appears that Coghlan/Kearns/Petersen whoever will get a significant amount of ABs in April due to the nagging injuries that Morrison and Stanton are facing. The Marlins need to be making the right call here.

 

My guy is Kearns for the 4th OF.

These guys are not going to get many at-bats.

 

If Ozzie is smart, these guys will never get at-bats unless we're tied in extra innings and we have no other choice.

 

We have two left-handed pinch-hitters who will take AB's against righties. Kearns will get the AB's against lefties. If Kearns is unavailable, we'd be better off going with a lefty to pinch-hit against a lefty. Petersen actually hits lefties pretty well (hey look, another reason to want Petersen on the team!).

 

These guys won't play. You know what, I'd rather have neither one on the team and give the roster spot to Ceda. Ease him in, see what happens. If his K's translate to overall success, he can easily be the setup guy by summer. Just carry an extra reliever.

 

You just know that there is NO CHANCE Ozzie will pinch hit with a lefty against a lefty pitcher when there is a right-handed hitter still on the bench. Fuhgeddaboudit.

I'm not going to read through 3 pages on whether Solano deserves a major league roster spot.

 

He does not.

 

If it hasn't been pointed out:

 

Donnie Murphy: .639 major league OPS

Donovan Solano: .632 minor league OPS

 

Come on, guys.

 

This is... just the worst.

We have a wild card when it comes to infield depth, and that's Matt Dominguez. It's possible that this could be the year that Dominguez clicks. Plus, I think it;s entirely possible that either Peterson or Cogs are going to be read for AB's in the OF should Bonifacio have to be shifted inward. And one final note on depth; Dominguez could produce well enough to be a trading piece for one of pieces we need for the stretch run, if we are in contention.

These guys are not going to get many at-bats.

 

If Ozzie is smart, these guys will never get at-bats unless we're tied in extra innings and we have no other choice.

 

We have two left-handed pinch-hitters who will take AB's against righties. Kearns will get the AB's against lefties. If Kearns is unavailable, we'd be better off going with a lefty to pinch-hit against a lefty. Petersen actually hits lefties pretty well (hey look, another reason to want Petersen on the team!).

 

These guys won't play. You know what, I'd rather have neither one on the team and give the roster spot to Ceda. Ease him in, see what happens. If his K's translate to overall success, he can easily be the setup guy by summer. Just carry an extra reliever.

 

You just know that there is NO CHANCE Ozzie will pinch hit with a lefty against a lefty pitcher when there is a right-handed hitter still on the bench. Fuhgeddaboudit.

 

Probably. Irregardless, its difficult to quantify the effect Ozzie's old school crap will actually have on our win total. At least as far as in-game decisions go, it will probably be negligible. Now if he starts bunting 14 times a game, and insists on running with guys who aren't successful enough to justify it, and gives extra PA to le garbage, then that effect may start to get magnified.

 

That's some rigatoni alla 30plus for you.

And its not possible to say how much influence (if any) Ozzie has on roster construction. He can put as much stock as he wants into moronic axioms if he isn't making the call.

 

As far as Solano v. Murphy, as has been said, who gives a crap. I'm also in favor of an 8th reliever over carrying either of those two. And the argument for Solano has the base of a spine riddled with scoliosis.

Games that don't matter don't matter.

 

New manager coming with with some new coaches. You can't really think they have been sitting up there in Chicago the last couple years watching every pitch, AB, defensive play, and base running the Marlins were doing during that time. Right now they are seeing alot of these guys for the first time, and most others getting their first close up look at. They are attempting to put the guys into position that best helps them build the team to do the things they want it to do. ST is the only place they can do that. They have nothing else to go on. It's far better than going on stats from the past. Guys change. Their abilities change. And just reading posts on this board it is easy to see how some will look at stats, pick the ones that seem to prove their point, exaggerate them while totally ignoring the ones that don't.

 

There is a new regime in town and they are going to build the team the way they want it to perform. Mistakes will be made. New "stars" will shine through. And us fans are just along for the ride. It's just that simple. Besides, on these two I really have no preference. Not a big Murphy fan and I know very little about Solano. Just gonna sit back, watch who they choose, and then see what they do with that decision. A 24th or 25th man roster spot is repairable if it turns out to be a mistake. No biggie.

To me, whether u like Murphy or not... he's at least shown the ability to be capable and at times a decent spark at the major league level while Solano hasn't ever been in the majors. Let Solano stay in the minors, one good spring doesnt mean he belongs up here. Its not a huge difference but I'd rather have Murphy over Solano.

Bronco.

 

If Donnie Murphy had a better spring than Hanley this year, would you be OK with Ozzie starting Murphy at 3B?

 

Ooooh even better...

 

If Bryan Peterson had a better spring than Boni this year, would you be OK with Ozzie starting Peterson at CF?