Selig will do nothing, nor should he.

 

No FA who signed here last year thought he would be traded after one year, neither did anyone in the FO think any of them would be traded when those contracts were signed.

 

No school suffered because of the stadium. Need I remind anyone yet again that the stadium is paid for by dedicated tourist hotel bed taxes?

 

Loria isn't going anywhere, he's a fan, he wants to win and will try anything to do so.

 

Unlike any previous owner, Loria got the stadium done. How soon they forget.

 

Loria committed to 190 mill in FAs last year. It was an unmitigated disaster. What would you have him do? Tinker around the edges for losing season after losing season?

 

Loria's smart and knows how to admit failure and when to cut his losses. What they tried last year failed miserably, so he blew it up rather than tinker and make excuses for years. Simple as that. The start if it was dumping Hanley, then Bell, Guillan, this trade and perhaps Nolasco will be the end of it.

 

Years ago, I checked roster longevity. Very few teams have even 5 guys who have been around for 5 years. Turnover is constant in MLB. It's just that the Marlins do it in bigger, splashier batches.

 

So what?

 

Stanton remains untouchable. The rest have to earn their spots. Starting over with a different group of guys and 50+ million in cash flexibility is far preferable to tinkering with a group of guys who have already demonstrated that they can't win.

 

As I said, I love it.

 

 

No, this is a very dumb move. There was no reason to move Reyes and Mark B. No. Reason. JJ, Buck, and Boni...fine, but those two needed to stay. We got nothing in value. This team sucks, and Loria can f*** off. Will I still watch? Yea, but I live up in NC, so by watch, I usually look at boring Gameday. f***.

 

agreed. no reason to move reyes and buehrle.

Almost 650 posts in 6 hours since the news. Gotta be some sort of record, or close to it.

C: Brantley/Mathis

1B: Morrison

2B: Hechavarria/Solano

SS: Escobar

3B: Kouzmanoff/Dobbs

LF: Jensen

CF: Coghlan/Hernandez (Yelich after all star break)

RF: Stanton

 

 

Rotation

 

1. Nolasco

2. Turner

3. Eovaldi

4. Alvarez

5. LeBlanc

6. Koehler/Hand

Take out Nolasco, as he's gonna be traded soon. It would be stupid to go through all this and then NOT purge the $11.5 million owed to Nolasco next season.

Take out Nolasco, as he's gonna be traded soon. It would be stupid to go through all this and then NOT purge the $11.5 million owed to Nolasco next season.

 

 

I figured as much that's why I added a 6th starter, then again they may wait untill July to trade him ( I doubt it)

To those that think Carlos Lee is a possibility to play 1st base, he is a F/A and there is no way he will be re-signed

Wow. The team is so bad now that I would welcome the signing of borderline major leaguers like Carlos Lee and Carlos Zambrano

Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1

2 execs spoke to already said this: Ricky Nolasco will be next to go from #Marlins

 

That would leave us with around a $16 million payroll committed pre-arbitration I believe, which probably won't be allowed to happen.

No reason to move Reyes or Buehrle?

 

Why would you keep either of them if you're not going to reasonably expect to contend in '13 and maybe not even in '14?

 

They were signed to contend. We didn't. If you keep them you spend 21 million on them in '13, they get another year older and harder to move and then those two guys cost 34 million in '14 and 41 million in '15.

 

The Marlins dumped 182 mill in '13-'18 contractual obligations in one trade:

 

Reyes 10 16 22 22 22 22

Buehrle 11 18 19

Buck 6

JJ 13.75

 

Add maybe 3 mill for Boni in arb and it nearly equals and essentially undid the '12 FA spending spree.

 

That Reyes and Buehrle were traded makes sense. My only disappointment in the whole deal is that they didn't manage to get Nolasco included.

No reason to move Reyes or Buehrle?

 

Why would you keep either of them if you're not going to reasonably expect to contend in '13 and maybe not even in '14?

 

They were signed to contend. We didn't. If you keep them you spend 21 million on them in '13, they get another year older and harder to move and then those two guys cost 34 million in '14 and 41 million in '15.

 

The Marlins dumped 182 mill in '13-'18 contractual obligations in one trade:

 

Reyes 10 16 22 22 22 22

Buehrle 11 18 19

Buck 6

JJ 13.75

 

Add maybe 3 mill for Boni in arb and it nearly equals and essentially undid the '12 FA spending spree.

 

That Reyes and Buehrle were traded makes sense. My only disappointment in the whole deal is that they didn't manage to get Nolasco included.

 

 

 

Nolasco is now the team ace. SMH.

No reason to move Reyes or Buehrle?

 

Why would you keep either of them if you're not going to reasonably expect to contend in '13 and maybe not even in '14?

 

They were signed to contend. We didn't. If you keep them you spend 21 million on them in '13, they get another year older and harder to move and then those two guys cost 34 million in '14 and 41 million in '15.

 

The Marlins dumped 182 mill in '13-'18 contractual obligations in one trade:

 

Reyes 10 16 22 22 22 22

Buehrle 11 18 19

Buck 6

JJ 13.75

 

Add maybe 3 mill for Boni in arb and it nearly equals and essentially undid the '12 FA spending spree.

 

That Reyes or Buehrle were traded makes sense. My only disappointment in the whole deal is that they didn't manage to get Nolasco included.

 

 

Yes, we get it, Loria and his cronies can do no wrong. Moving fan favorites like Reyes makes perfect sense except it doesn't.

If they force his hand, do you guys think that Loria would sell the team. The ramifications of this trade go much deeper than the money saved. No manager will ever want to coach this time unless it's their first opportunity and no free agent will ever sign here unless the money is ridiculous as was the case with Reyes, but signing those types of deals only ensures that the player will be shipped off, e.g., Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Heath Bell, etc.

Fan favorite?

 

Reyes was here one year. Stanton is the fan favorite. He remains untouchable. Nobody is going to offer their entire farm system for him.

Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1

2 execs spoke to already said this: Ricky Nolasco will be next to go from #Marlins

 

That would leave us with around a $16 million payroll committed pre-arbitration I believe, which probably won't be allowed to happen.

 

 

The Marlins may very well need to keep Nolasco next season unless they give Stanton a very hefty raise, however right now it is reported being very unhappy with the trade so signing him long -term may not be as easy as it would have been a couple of days ago

Fan favorite?

 

Reyes was here one year. Stanton is the fan favorite. He remains untouchable. Nobody is going to offer their entire farm system for him.

 

 

 

LOL. Players in the past who've been "untouchable" Josh Beckett, Josh Johnson, Hanley Ramirez, Adrian Gonzalez, Miguel Cabrera. Is he as untouchable as those guys?

If they force his hand

 

:lol

 

Loria's hand can't be "forced" by some nebulous "they."

 

That's almost as ridiculous as some poor business illiterate asking previously whether the trade is criminal. There seems to be a distinct lack of understanding around here of how property ownership, you know, say, a controlling interest in a MLB franchise, actually works.

 

Loria will own the Marlins until he dies. Then, get ready for Samson as the managing general partner.

I see things in this manner... I hated the 2012 version of the Miami Marlins in everyway possible

I am in total agreement with blowing up the team

You have to trade Reyes and Buehrle because you need to trade something of value and... what else did we really have?

I am gonna miss JJ but what the heck?

Then we talking about starting from scratch with younger players not because of finances but you have to rebuild the foundations of the franchise

If they force his hand

 

:lol

 

Loria's hand can't be "forced" by some nebulous "they."

 

That's almost as ridiculous as some poor business illiterate asking previously whether the trade is criminal. There seems to be a distinct lack of understanding around here of how property ownership, you know, say, a controlling interest in a MLB franchise, actually works.

 

Loria will own the Marlins until he dies. Then, get ready for Samson as the managing general partner.

 

 

MLB clearly forced the Dodgers owner, McCourt, to sell the team when he clearly did not want to. He was absolutely terrible for the franchise as was evidenced by the new group that came in and made immediate changes. The problem with Loria is that he does not have the finances to run an operation like this. Micky Arison can clearly take on something of this magnitude, but Loria and Samson have no clue of what they're doing. They are going back to their tried and true model of having the lowest possible payroll, crying poverty and getting those MLB checks at the end of the year and pocketing the money.

If they force his hand

 

:lol

 

Loria's hand can't be "forced" by some nebulous "they."

 

That's almost as ridiculous as some poor business illiterate asking previously whether the trade is criminal. There seems to be a distinct lack of understanding around here of how property ownership, you know, say, a controlling interest in a MLB franchise, actually works.

 

Loria will own the Marlins until he dies. Then, get ready for Samson as the managing general partner.

 

bobbob is that you?

Players in the past who've been "untouchable" Josh Beckett, Josh Johnson, Hanley Ramirez, Adrian Gonzalez, Miguel Cabrera.

 

Don't be silly.

 

Beckett was never untouchable or said to be so, he went in a salary dump with Lowell. JJ was untouchable until his injuries and underperformance given his contract. Ramirez was untouchable as long as he was performing and didn't have an attitude. Gonzales was only a very good prospect at the time and returned Urbina and a WS.

 

Cabrera was untouchable until it was obvious we couldn't afford him in the old stadium.

 

Stanton is untouchable and will remain so because now we can afford an elite player. Technically, no one is "untouchable" as the FO often says, but, as I said, nobody is going to offer their entire farm for Stanton. The FO will listen, but the odds of them hearing an offer worth taking are one in 10 million.

I'll still be a Marlins fan. Hell, I'm still a Timberwolves fan and they once put a team on the court that was barely competent enough to win 1-out-of-8 games. However, this definitely sours the team coming to Kansas City in 2013 for my first ever opportunity to actually see them in person. Unless the team gets contracted or moved, the sun will shine again. It just feels like the sunset for Winter in Yellowknife, Canada.....

You're dreaming. Loria =/= McCourt.

Players in the past who've been "untouchable" Josh Beckett, Josh Johnson, Hanley Ramirez, Adrian Gonzalez, Miguel Cabrera.

 

Don't be silly.

 

Beckett was never untouchable or said to be so, he went in a salary dump with Lowell. JJ was untouchable until his injuries and underperformance given his contract. Ramirez was untouchable as long as he was performing and didn't have an attitude. Gonzales was only a very good prospect at the time and returned Urbina and a WS.

 

Cabrera was untouchable until it was obvious we couldn't afford him in the old stadium.

 

Stanton is untouchable and will remain so because now we can afford an elite player. Technically, no one is "untouchable" as the FO often says, but, as I said, nobody is going to offer their entire farm for Stanton. The FO will listen, but the odds of them hearing an offer worth taking are one in 10 million.

 

No. The ONLY reason Stanton is untouchable is because he makes next-to-nothing and is over-performing on his rookie contract. As soon as he makes any real money he will be shipped off somewhere in exchange for prospects, same as every other homegrown prospect.

You're dreaming. Loria =/= McCourt.

 

 

 

You're right, McCourt did not have "Market corrections" or "Fire Sales" every few years.

I'll still be a Marlins fan. Hell, I'm still a Timberwolves fan and they once put a team on the court that was barely competent enough to win 1-out-of-8 games. However, this definitely sours the team coming to Kansas City in 2013 for my first ever opportunity to actually see them in person. Unless the team gets contracted or moved, the sun will shine again. It just feels like the sunset for Winter in Yellowknife, Canada.....

 

 

Well, the team is not going to move since they have a lease and a contractual obligation as part of the stadium deal to not move for 30 years. I don't know if they could be contracted. At this time it sounds like a good option.

A minor update on the money we have to pay for guys that won't be here in '13.

 

The 8 mill to get rid of Bell will be paid 4/4 in '13/'14.

 

The 4 mill in this trade will probably be paid something like 1/1/1/1 since Reyes' contract runs to '18. Could be as little as .66/yr for 6 years.

 

Ozzie gets his 2.5/year.

 

So, cost of gone guy mistakes in '13 is probably between 7 and 7.5 mill.

 

With an 80 mill payroll, and assuming Nolasco goes, that leaves Escobar at 5 mill, Dobbs at 1.5, Turner at ~1, and the rest at ~.5. That's 19 mill, give or take. Add 7 for the gone guys and that's 26.

 

Which leaves about 54 million to be spent, perhaps with a good hunk held back for a better FA crop for '14. And probably some allocated to signing Stanton long-term.

 

Which is why I said 50+ and not 70.

 

We also don't know how much the FO has discounted expected revenues for the effect on fans of these moves, so 80 mill available for payroll may be on the high side. According to this thread there will 6 fans at each game next year, all of them looking to do bodily harm to Loria.

 

:lol