Jerry Crasnick �@jcrasnick

"They've lost all credibility,'' said one exec. "I don't know how they can even show their faces in South Florida now.'' #marlins

anyone that remains as a Marlins fan after this trade, is a real Marlins fan!

Keep him until you can't keep him anymore and just hope something positive happens in the meantime. Near impossible to defend this organization anymore and they're driving me away from the game. It'd be easy for someone to say just become a cubs or sox fan but the fact is I'm a marlin fan and they always will be.. but I also don't like wasting my energy, interest and time on things that bring me aggrivation. I hope it turns around but I'm not going to be exactly purchasing mlbtv etc and wasting my time and money on something that... ugh who cares. Go bears

Lo Viste was also sent to Toronto in the deal.

anyone that remains as a Marlins fan after this trade, is a real Marlins fan!

 

 

I'm going nowhere. Marlins fan til I die or the franchise dies.

I'm thinking the only way Stanton accepts a long term deal is if we offer him our first no-trade clause. Which probably won't happen.

Also, I highly doubt the payroll is going to be like $10 million dollars after they trade Nolasco. They're going to sign some guys. Not big name free agents, but this isn't going to be the same, exact team on Opening Day; even if that's what Loria wants, MLB wouldn't allow that.

 

Selig isn't going to do anything. He's the only one with the authority to do anything, but the owners pay his salary and he won't lift a finger. I mean, look at the Mets. Selig and the owners will let another owner do basically anything as long as you are friends with the important people. Otherwise Wilpon would have been forced out just like the McCourts.

 

The big-money owners won't allow a team to pocket so much money in revenue sharing.

 

There's no way our payroll is this low on Opening Day. If it is, lol.

I'm thinking the only way Stanton accepts a long term deal is if we offer him our first no-trade clause. Which probably won't happen.

 

 

I think he'd take one right now without the clause because it's guaranteed big money.

anyone that remains as a Marlins fan after this trade, is a real Marlins fan!

 

We are truly a dying breed. But I just could never have the same passion for any other team.

What if they aren't lying about the 80-85 million dollar payroll? That'd be pretty interesting..

 

 

Why would they trade long-term contracts and big salaries just to sign more long-term, high salary players?

 

I don't know. Why would they trade this many players this early into the offseason?

I wonder if Nolasco is traded tonight...

If the payroll is still going to be in the 80-85 million range like some writers have said (which I seriously doubt at this point, trying to be optimistic here) they will have more like 70 million to spend. They just need to do it a bit more wisely than they did last season.

 

Which is why I said 50+.

 

They had to hand out some cash to get these deals done, 4 mill in this one, what was it, 8 mill on Bell, 2.5 mill/year to Guillan for 3 years. The 12 million in the trades might have been up-front, or more likely over 2-3 years, we just don't know. In any case, somewhere between 6 and 14 mill will be spent in '13 for guys who aren't here, so that somewhat reduces what would otherwise be available to spend.

the marlins only had about 58 million in obligations for next year and with payroll projected to be in the 80-85 million range, they still had money to spend.

 

its funny that Frisaro mentioned the marlins were looking to revert to the 2006 model (in a way), dont think he thought we would have 16 million on the books.

Lo Viste was also sent to Toronto in the deal.

 

Well done.

 

And now I've finally made it through this god forsaken thread.

 

In hindsight:

Buehrle: NOT worth his remaining contract.

Reyes: 2.8/4.5 WAR last year, depending on who you believe. As his legs diminish, likely NOT worth his remaining contract.

Boni: due another arbi raise. Decent piece, but NOT valuable.

JJ: Big injury risk, struggled through a lot of last season, and just 1 year (a year in which we were going to suck) from free agency. Likely NOT worth holding on to.

Buck: Obviously NOT worth his contract.

 

This is an awful move from a PR standpoint. It is going to decimate an already-weak fanbase. But as a baseball move, it makes a lot of sense. You trade away 5 guys who aren't worth much individually and get some good prospects. But I still hate it.

The only part of this deal that kinda surprises me is Bonifacio. Surprised they dealt him. Not that I care much because he's average at best, but from the front office's perspective, I thought for sure he'd be kept.

The only part of this deal that kinda surprises me is Bonifacio. Surprised they dealt him. Not that I care much because he's average at best, but from the front office's perspective, I thought for sure he'd be kept.

 

 

agreed. even reyes. buehrle and johnson had a chance but not reyes and boni.

Rosenthal: Loria should sell team

Also, I highly doubt the payroll is going to be like $10 million dollars after they trade Nolasco. They're going to sign some guys. Not big name free agents, but this isn't going to be the same, exact team on Opening Day; even if that's what Loria wants, MLB wouldn't allow that.

 

Selig isn't going to do anything. He's the only one with the authority to do anything, but the owners pay his salary and he won't lift a finger. I mean, look at the Mets. Selig and the owners will let another owner do basically anything as long as you are friends with the important people. Otherwise Wilpon would have been forced out just like the McCourts.

 

The big-money owners won't allow a team to pocket so much money in revenue sharing.

 

There's no way our payroll is this low on Opening Day. If it is, lol.

 

Loria could be clearing the books for a sale.

 

Saw one report that a possible buyer could be John Henry who would sell his share of the Red Sox and get the Marlins much cheaper. Many in Boston think Henry is cashing out.

Also, I highly doubt the payroll is going to be like $10 million dollars after they trade Nolasco. They're going to sign some guys. Not big name free agents, but this isn't going to be the same, exact team on Opening Day; even if that's what Loria wants, MLB wouldn't allow that.

 

Selig isn't going to do anything. He's the only one with the authority to do anything, but the owners pay his salary and he won't lift a finger. I mean, look at the Mets. Selig and the owners will let another owner do basically anything as long as you are friends with the important people. Otherwise Wilpon would have been forced out just like the McCourts.

 

The big-money owners won't allow a team to pocket so much money in revenue sharing.

 

There's no way our payroll is this low on Opening Day. If it is, lol.

 

Loria could be clearing the books for a sale.

 

Saw one report that a possible buyer could be John Henry who would sell his share of the Red Sox and get the Marlins much cheaper. Many in Boston think Henry is cashing out.

 

Yay, back to John Henry!...

Rosenthal: Loria should sell team

 

 

yes but that was true even before tonight.

Does Loria take a big penalty if he sells the team, or just if he moves them (or both)?

Admin you see my question about county and marlins?

This would be OK if Loria sold the team to a billionaire

Does Loria take a big penalty if he sells the team, or just if he moves them (or both)?

 

 

I know selling them was a penalty, I assume there's a penalty for moving them too.

anyone that remains as a Marlins fan after this trade, is a real Marlins fan!

 

 

I'm going nowhere. Marlins fan til I die or the franchise dies.

AMEN!!!