The reason Stanton will remain untouchable is that we can now afford to sign him long-term. Which will happen in due time.

 

Had any owner prior to Loria managed to get a stadium built Cabrera would still be here. They didn't. So it goes.

 

I hope you get over your blind Loria-hate.

The reason Stanton will remain untouchable is that we can now afford to sign him long-term. Which will happen in due time.

 

Had any owner prior to Loria managed to get a stadium built Cabrera would still be here. They didn't. So it goes.

 

I hope you get over your blind Loria-hate.

 

 

He will not sign here long term. He will work his Arb. eligible years and then he is out. Stanton is a Top 10 MLB player and he can get the money he wants elsewhere without the constant threat of being traded.

A minor update on the money we have to pay for guys that won't be here in '13.

 

The 8 mill to get rid of Bell will be paid 4/4 in '13/'14.

 

The 4 mill in this trade will probably be paid something like 1/1/1/1 since Reyes' contract runs to '18. Could be as little as .66/yr for 6 years.

 

Ozzie gets his 2.5/year.

 

So, cost of gone guy mistakes in '13 is probably between 7 and 7.5 mill.

 

With an 80 mill payroll, and assuming Nolasco goes, that leaves Escobar at 5 mill, Dobbs at 1.5, Turner at ~1, and the rest at ~.5. That's 19 mill, give or take. Add 7 for the gone guys and that's 26.

 

Which leaves about 54 million to be spent, perhaps with a good hunk held back for a better FA crop for '14. And probably some allocated to signing Stanton long-term.

 

Which is why I said 50+ and not 70.

 

We also don't know how much the FO has discounted expected revenues for the effect on fans of these moves, so 80 mill available for payroll may be on the high side. According to this thread there will 6 fans at each game next year, all of them looking to do bodily harm to Loria.

 

:lol

 

 

 

If you believe that the FO will spend 70-80 million on payroll anytime in the near future I have a bridge I'd like for you to take a look at. While I am an optimist by nature, if you don't know the M.O. of this team by now... well, you know. Besides, what FA will sign here? Seriously? MLB players like money (We don't have that) and stability (We can't provide that). The Marlins make it so obvious with their backloaded contracts (Reyes, Bell ,Delgado, etc.) that you know these players will never stay with the team once they start making any real money.

Blind Loria hatred is very unbecoming. Please try to get over it.

 

For instance, you could wait and see who they sign between now and spring training. Wait for them to sign Stanton. If the '13 team does better than expected and contends, see who they add at the trade deadline. If it doesn't, see who they add for '14 to whoever winds up comprising the '13 team.

 

If they don't improve on the current hash or they don't sign Stanton long-term (now that they can actually afford an elite player) over the next two years, then I'll join you in criticizing Loria.

 

But that's 2 years from now. For the moment, I love this trade and the direction they have chosen. The '12 team didn't work for whatever reasons, mostly gross underperformance by a whole bunch of players. Nobody expected that.

 

So, blow it up. Get out from under a bunch of onerous contracts. Start over. And so they did.

The roster of 2012 won how many games? 69

it had the 4th worse record in the majors

watching Guillen lead that squad throughout the season made me wanna stick a fork in my eye

the only bright spot lat year was Stanton, when healthy, Solano and Brantly. (Ruggiano had a great season but may have just overperformed). They will all be on the roster next season. It was the right decision to blow up the team as I indicated before if the Marlins had shopped around we could have gotten much more. The Rule 5 draft will probanly be next on the Marlins agenda because with the payroll being so low it may not be likely for the Marlins to trade Nolasco right now...They actually may sign some marginal free agents as roster fillers untill some of the young talent is ready to be brought up

also, knowing buehrle, he is going to be f***ing pissed about this, especially his wife. reyes too.

 

the marlins have completely destroyed their reputation.

 

 

Who knew your screen name would wind up being so accurate, Canada Marlin?

The reason Stanton will remain untouchable is that we can now afford to sign him long-term. Which will happen in due time.

 

Had any owner prior to Loria managed to get a stadium built Cabrera would still be here. They didn't. So it goes.

 

I hope you get over your blind Loria-hate.

 

 

Why would Stanton want to sign here? He's on twitter for the world to see saying how he's pissed, obviously about this trade. If hwe had intentions of sticking around Miami when they offer he would keep his mouth shut about the situation right now, one would think. When his time comes, Stanton is going back home west. It is known.

Blind Loria hatred is very unbecoming. Please try to get over it.

 

For instance, you could wait and see who they sign between now and spring training. Wait for them to sign Stanton. If the '13 team does better than expected and contends, see who they add at the trade deadline. If it doesn't, see who they add for '14 to whoever winds up comprising the '13 team.

 

If they don't improve on the current hash or they don't sign Stanton long-term (now that they can actually afford an elite player) over the next two years, then I'll join you in criticizing Loria.

 

But that's 2 years from now. For the moment, I love this trade and the direction they have chosen. The '12 team didn't work for whatever reasons, mostly gross underperformance by a whole bunch of players. Nobody expected that.

 

So, blow it up. Get out from under a bunch of onerous contracts. Start over. And so they did.

 

What direction? We have NO PITCHING. We have NO HITTING. We didn't even get great prospects back. This isn't about contending.

 

Why would Stanton re-sign after this debacle? He's watched basically everyone he knows on the team get traded in the last 8 months. He's not an idiot. He'll either walk at the end of his arb years or the team will deal him when he gets close to the end of their control.

 

Loria just gave the entire city of Miami a gigantic middle-finger today. He doesn't have to give a crap about the team anymore; he got his stadium. Now he can keep the profits.

Wtf happened to the whole "we wanted him so bad we went to him at 12:01. 12:01!" bulls***? They were close to making f***ing 12:01! t-shirts. Then they do this sh*t. Loria has made it impossible for any Marlin fan to not be scared of November.

 

Loria can go f*** himself, im done with him. MLB needs to step in, he should not have been allowed to do this. Im not waisting another dime on the Marlins anything while he is still around sitting back laughing at us all counting his money. The Marlins brought me into baseball and now theyre trying to push me out. Hell, my football and basketball teams are Atlanta and I live in NY, it would be a lot easier that way...

with the gigantic payroll we barely had any pitching or hitting

Thats why the change was necessary... the 2012 Marlins won exactly 5 more games than the 93 expansion Marlins thats how bad this team was last season

Stanton will get over it as the team develops and starts winning again...This wasn't a market correction this was a talent infusion into the organization

I feel like Roddy Piper did in "They Live". Who has their trusty alien viewing ray-bans?

Jesus, the teenagers are throwing a fit.

 

I've stated what is essentially Loria's case, and I totally agree with what he's done. Nothing I can do if you don't like it, that's the way it is, he owns it and will own it until he dies.

 

Stanton will be signed because Stanton, unlike some here, isn't delusional and understands that 100 mill and being the face of a franchise for a decade isn't something to be sneezed at.

Jesus, the teenagers are throwing a fit.

 

I've stated what is essentially Loria's case, and I totally agree with what he's done. Nothing I can do if you don't like it, that's the way it is, he owns it and will own it until he dies.

 

Stanton will be signed because Stanton, unlike some here, isn't delusional and understands that 100 mill and being the face of a franchise for a decade isn't something to be sneezed at.

 

 

Ummm...what? Stanton can easily make 100 million and be the face of the franchise somewhere else. Do you really think he'll want to sign with a team that is likely to trade him and has no stability? And no shot at competing?

 

Denial is an ugly thing.

Ummm...what? Stanton can easily make 100 million and be the face of the franchise somewhere else. Do you really think he'll want to sign with a team that is likely to trade him and has no stability? And no shot at competing?

 

Denial is an ugly thing.

 

 

He is under team control so no team can offer him that big guaranteed money before us. It would be hard for him to run the risk and walk away from "set for life" money.

Stanton can easily make 100 million and be the face of the franchise somewhere else.

 

Yup, except for the fact that he can't guarantee himself a dime anywhere other than here for the next 4 years.

 

If you're Stanton, what are you going to do? Make peanuts (even arb peanuts) for 4 years and hope your knee doesn't cough up another "floating body" or worse or sign a large, guaranteed deal?

Ummm...what? Stanton can easily make 100 million and be the face of the franchise somewhere else. Do you really think he'll want to sign with a team that is likely to trade him and has no stability? And no shot at competing?

 

Denial is an ugly thing.

 

 

He is under team control so no team can offer him that big guaranteed money before us. It would be hard for him to run the risk and walk away from "set for life" money.

 

Stanton is the surest thing in a long time to become a super star. He knows this. I really, really doubt he's going to sign with the Marlins.

Stanton is the surest thing in a long time to become a super star. He knows this. I really, really doubt he's going to sign with the Marlins.

 

 

Anyone can get injured, he has no guarantees so it would be a huge risk to walk away from that much money.

Blind Loria hatred is very unbecoming. Please try to get over it.

 

For instance, you could wait and see who they sign between now and spring training. Wait for them to sign Stanton. If the '13 team does better than expected and contends, see who they add at the trade deadline. If it doesn't, see who they add for '14 to whoever winds up comprising the '13 team.

 

If they don't improve on the current hash or they don't sign Stanton long-term (now that they can actually afford an elite player) over the next two years, then I'll join you in criticizing Loria.

 

But that's 2 years from now. For the moment, I love this trade and the direction they have chosen. The '12 team didn't work for whatever reasons, mostly gross underperformance by a whole bunch of players. Nobody expected that.

 

So, blow it up. Get out from under a bunch of onerous contracts. Start over. And so they did.

 

 

Who the f*** in their right mind is gonna wanna come here? Jose Reyes thought he was gonna be living in Miami long-term and now he's stuck in Canada.

Unfortunately for Loria he relies on fans to attend games. I know with revenue sharing he still makes money, but the goal of a baseball franchise is long term growth. Loria manages his team in a nearsighted way. Miami is a large market

 

Miami is at most a medium size market. We ain't NY or Boston or LA or Chicago. With the stadium and much higher revenue, revenue sharing is no longer much of a factor, we're sort of average.

 

Loria acts on a short-term basis because he wants to win every year, but if he didn't we'd still be talking about Hanley's crummy attitude and how much Reyes has regressed for 22 mill/year 3 years from now.

 

I totally agree that a fan base is built over decades, but you have to credit the guy for not wanting to fall into excuse-making and years of losing. In a week, he'll be 72. Maybe he looks at it as trying to win another WS before someone else runs the joint.

 

Blow it up. Start over. I like it.

 

Trade Nolasco. Trader Jack as bench coach.

Trader Jack as bench coach.

 

 

I don't know if you're serious but I really have been thinking about this lately. It'd be perfect for Red in his first campaign as a big league skipper to have one of his mentors there alongside.

People will sign here as long as the deals are 1-year or 2-years at most. We'll just never sign any big time FAs as those types of guys get 4 years at the minimum.

 

As for Stanton, he would be pretty dumb to turn down big money from us, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he declined. I wouldn't blame him either.

Trader Jack as bench coach.

 

 

I don't know if you're serious but I really have been thinking about this lately. It'd be perfect for Red in his first campaign as a big league skipper to have one of his mentors there alongside.

I hope Rich Donnelly is chosen as bench coach.

Looks like the stadium will go empty. At this point you may as well sell the team and move to Vegas. The fans will never come back. The whole new identity thing down the s***ter.

 

Does anyone know the terms of the lease the Marlins have with the park?

Looks like the stadium will go empty. At this point you may as well sell the team and move to Vegas. The fans will never come back. The whole new identity thing down the s***ter.

 

Does anyone know the terms of the lease the Marlins have with the park?

 

They can't leave for 30 years I believe.

Looks like the stadium will go empty. At this point you may as well sell the team and move to Vegas. The fans will never come back. The whole new identity thing down the s***ter.

 

Does anyone know the terms of the lease the Marlins have with the park?

 

They can't leave for 30 years I believe.

I figured it would be something like 20-30 years