May 30, 201313 yr http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/attachments/earlier-versions-ootp-mods/5685d1069909037-cleveland-spiders-logo-clevelandspiders3.bmp The Marlins are looking to be the modern reincarnation of the 1899 Cleveland Spiders. We've done a good imitation so far.
May 30, 201313 yr koehler pitched well. sad thing is our pitching has been pretty good. smoked some balls to right but all caught.
May 30, 201313 yr Author I hope they lose 120+ games. I want this front office out of here. We needs to trade Ruggiano, Nolasco, Slowey, and anyone else worth anything, and get literally nothing in return. If we do that after the All-Star break, we could really give the 1962 Mets a run for their money, and be the worst baseball team in modern history. Only then can change happen.
May 30, 201313 yr Author Listening to Mike Redmond's conference. I don't know whether to feel bad for him or hate his guts at this point.
May 30, 201313 yr we need wild thing Charlie Sheen to sign.that put people in stand singing wild thing
May 30, 201313 yr The Marlins could go 0-162 and Loria wouldnt sell. The team is his cash cow. honestly, he would get at least 500 million if he sold it. It would take him years to make that with this going on.
May 30, 201313 yr The team's not going to really go down much in value due to the stadium. Without the stadium it's a different story. But there's zero incentive for him to sell for at least two years, thanks to that clause in the stadium agreement that gives a portion of the sale price to the city. As mentioned, the team is basically an ATM at this point for him. He doesn't have to put anything in, but thanks to the several sources of revenue the team gets, he will certainly make a profit again.
May 30, 201313 yr Aw, geez, yet more of the same old, tired, totally mistaken BS. 1) They lost 47 mill last year, this team is the precise opposite of an ATM or "cash cow." 2) They are virtually guaranteed to lose money this year -- break-even is around 135 mill and they are unlikely to get there. "Revenue sharing" (30-40 mill) is sucked up along with all other revenue to pay expenses. 3) The sales clause penalty only applies to any amount over 250 mill (subject to adjustments.) Until March, 2014, the penalty is only 7.5%. For the 4 years thereafter, it's only 5%. After March, 2018 it's zero. Loria's not selling because he doesn't want to sell. Certainly not because he would get dinged for 2.5% or 3.75%. That's peanuts, particularly to a guy in a business (high-end art) where commissions are routinely 20-30%. If he wanted out, he'd put his 500 mill asset on the market and take his tiny 12.5 or 18.75 mill hit from the county. 4) Two years from now has nothing to do with anything. I see wait "2 years" (for the sales penalty to reach zero) here a lot and every one of those comments is made by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Get up to date. The new (silly) Loria-can-sell mantra should be "2018! No more Loria!" And they'd still probably be wrong. The final relocation agreement: http://www.miamidade.gov/internalservices/library/nonrelocation_agreement.pdf See page 343. 5) Others point out that Loria manipulates/hides payments to himself via the multiple entities that own the team and operate the stadium. Guess what? A mill or two is chickenfeed in this business and he doesn't need the money. Guess what else? The Marlins' financials are subject to scrutiny by MLB for compliance with, among other things, MLB-ordained debt ratios. If the Marlins, a team with a lot of debt were playing financial games, MLB would have stopped it, whether we ever heard anything about it or not. And, of course, all of the allegations of some sort of manipulation or hiding are made without a single shred of evidence. The good (and much more important) news (well, not really news as I pointed this out months ago) is that they will get another ~25 mill in national TV revenue next year and will pay 8 mill less for guys who aren't here. That's 33 mill of flexibility that they don't have this year.
May 30, 201313 yr The odd thing about this team is that it's on pace for worst ever, yet there are plenty of positives. Like, if you take away the crappy veterans, there is a young core. Especially if Chris Coghlan decides to be good again, which it seems like he's interested in doing. Also, Koehler is pitching well.
May 30, 201313 yr The odd thing about this team is that it's on pace for worst ever, yet there are plenty of positives. Like, if you take away the crappy veterans, there is a young core. Especially if Chris Coghlan decides to be good again, which it seems like he's interested in doing. Also, Koehler is pitching well. Ozuna,Dietrich, Koehler and Fernandez are bright spots so far. They seem like players we can build with around Stanton. Morrison is also coming back.I'm just waiting to see what Turner, Eovaldi and Alvarez do. Not sure I buy into Koehler's success but if he continues to pitch well and one of the three I just mentioned step up, the rotation won't look so bad.
May 30, 201313 yr Author The odd thing about this team is that it's on pace for worst ever, yet there are plenty of positives. Like, if you take away the crappy veterans, there is a young core. Especially if Chris Coghlan decides to be good again, which it seems like he's interested in doing. Also, Koehler is pitching well. Worst ever in modern times anyway. There is no way we match some of the records set in the 1800's and early 1900's. Baseball was run too differently back then, and the length of the seasons being shorter also played a larger roll in some of those terrible records. But being worse than then 62 Mets (the current worst team in modern baseball history) is a real possibility. So I use the Cleveland Spiders example lighthearted, and not to suggest anyone will ever match their horrendous record.
May 30, 201313 yr The odd thing about this team is that it's on pace for worst ever, yet there are plenty of positives. Like, if you take away the crappy veterans, there is a young core. Especially if Chris Coghlan decides to be good again, which it seems like he's interested in doing. Also, Koehler is pitching well. Ozuna,Dietrich, Koehler and Fernandez are bright spots so far. They seem like players we can build with around Stanton. Morrison is also coming back.I'm just waiting to see what Turner, Eovaldi and Alvarez do. Not sure I buy into Koehler's success but if he continues to pitch well and one of the three I just mentioned step up, the rotation won't look so bad. Oh yeah, there's hope for the future, but this is bloody painful in the meantime. Even more so then what I think most of us were expecting.
May 30, 201313 yr I really hope using the Cleveland spiders reference becomes a regular occurrence I just call them the Montreal Marlins
May 30, 201313 yr But being worse than then 62 Mets (the current worst team in modern baseball history) is a real possibility. Highly unlikely. As I pointed out about a week ago, the next two weeks would probably be about as bad as it gets, and so it has gone so far. We're still 1-2 weeks away from the return of Morrison, Stanton, Eovaldi, Turner and Alvarez. And maybe Yelich if he gets his act together. Add those 5 or 6 guys and you probably have a ~.500 team, still "bad," but with no chance of being '62 Mutts bad.
May 30, 201313 yr Yep, the return of two constantly injured everyday players and three 90 pitch ceiling starters with no record of ML success will really turn things around. Let us not forget that two of our best three starters will be playing elsewhere in a month or so. Then the Marlins are one sore Fernandez right arm from having the worst starting staff in ML history - excepting the Spiders, of course.
May 30, 201313 yr Who said anything about "turning things around"? The point was that they won't be '62 Mutts bad when it's all said and done.
May 30, 201313 yr The odd thing about this team is that it's on pace for worst ever, yet there are plenty of positives. Like, if you take away the crappy veterans, there is a young core. Especially if Chris Coghlan decides to be good again, which it seems like he's interested in doing. Also, Koehler is pitching well. Ozuna,Dietrich, Koehler and Fernandez are bright spots so far. They seem like players we can build with around Stanton. Morrison is also coming back.I'm just waiting to see what Turner, Eovaldi and Alvarez do. Not sure I buy into Koehler's success but if he continues to pitch well and one of the three I just mentioned step up, the rotation won't look so bad. Ozuna has been pretty solid, but Dietrich hasn't been that much of a bright spot. I think he has potential as a player, but he's not really showing much right now: .224/.288/.418. Koehler has been great but he's only pitched a handful of games and I'd be surprised if he sustains this level of performance. Fernandez has definitely been a bright spot considering his age and the number of starts he's had, though.
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